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Has the legitimacy of the TSL 3 been compromised? - Page 3

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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 27 2011 20:20 GMT
#41
Doesn't seem like anyone pointed this out yet, but you just suggested that TL cover the cost to fly 16 people from quite a few different countries all to 1 location in NY where they would be for around a month while this tournament finishes up? That's crazy money assuming all the players could even get visa's to come here which is a long shot to begin with considering Ukrainian players have been denied visa's before to go to WCG before iirc.
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StarSense
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
206 Posts
March 27 2011 20:20 GMT
#42
On March 28 2011 05:03 zerglingsfolife wrote:
There are like 50-100 posters here on TL who joined after SC2, and all they do in every thread is bitch about whatever is the current hot topic. There were literally fucking people in the NASL thread who complained that more Koreans needed to be invited. Then these exact same people create threads stating that the lag was too great when Koreans played foreigners and they didn't want to watch it. Are you kidding me?

It's these same shitty posters who bring up lag in every thread. These vocal people haven't done shit for the community except bitch.


That strikes me as ironic considering your quote.
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
March 27 2011 20:23 GMT
#43
This would of have never been brought up if the koreans did not lose.
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CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
March 27 2011 20:24 GMT
#44
On March 28 2011 05:23 Aegeis wrote:
This would of have never been brought up if the koreans did not lose.

How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
March 27 2011 20:27 GMT
#45
People need to stop bitching/complaining and whining about getting all this FREE content. How much have a lot of you done for TL? Nothing at all...Why do so many people feel the need to complain. If you don't like it then easy answer for you. Don't fucking watch it. The TSL is a fantastic tournament, with INSANE production value, run by awesome people. They have done nothing but try to make it as transparent and fair as possible.

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NeonSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States46 Posts
March 27 2011 20:30 GMT
#46
On March 28 2011 05:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Doesn't seem like anyone pointed this out yet, but you just suggested that TL cover the cost to fly 16 people from quite a few different countries all to 1 location in NY where they would be for around a month while this tournament finishes up? That's crazy money assuming all the players could even get visa's to come here which is a long shot to begin with considering Ukrainian players have been denied visa's before to go to WCG before iirc.


The way it is set up it takes a month to view the games because it is only showed on the weekends. However, because the games are casted from replays, if they were to simply meet at a location and played the games, it would take them no more than a week, maybe two in order to get through all the games. Given, it is still a logistics nightmare and most likely would not work, I just wanted to say that your time span seems a bit exaggerated.
Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 20:34:03
March 27 2011 20:31 GMT
#47
Given that lag is a premise of an online tournament, and all participants understand that there may be lag involved then it doesn't de-legitimize the tournament.

I figure the reason that Blizzard segregated the servers was because of lag issues, so it's natural that you would get this. They know what they might be getting themselves into so yeah. It's fine. People will complain, and they ought to, but TL can't do anything about this.
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Sauron
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania169 Posts
March 27 2011 20:35 GMT
#48
I hate this lag whining. The fact is that most of the koreans/foreigners in Korea got outplayed badly and it is really childish to blame it on the lag. This isn't Broodwar.The game is still not perfected and everyone including the koreans that you look up to can get their asses kicked by any hardworking creative player.

P.S.: TSL ROCKS!
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anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
March 27 2011 20:36 GMT
#49
i've seen all the matches, and what i saw was some (arguable) lag that gave a disadvantage to a couple koreans in the early game.

however, another thing i saw was korean pros making grossly bad decisions and miss timings etc.

did latency probably throw these koreans off their game so that they played subpar ? perhaps. did latency directly cause them to lose games ? absolutely not, and shame on boxer's gf if she made statements implying this was the case.

there will always be this controversy looming over tsl, but seriously, after seeing qxc vs genius and adelscott vs mvp, you can not tell me the two foreigners won because of latency. those were cases of pure outplaying, what am i saying, damn straight owning.

on the other hand, goody vs. nestea ? i don't know man, i got serious doubts about that one.

still, the legitimacy of the tsl isn't compromised. what happened was that mvp and co. did not prepare enough and took this tourney in jest thinking they could use their solid overpracticed styles and win. what they got was builds and styles they almost surely never saw before, let alone practice against, that were executed superbly in most cases, and with the occasional lag spikes on top, they just fell apart.

have to note i am a korean pro fan and i was upset that mvp, nestea etc. got owned so hard. BUT rewatching the games and having the ability to downplay my bias, i must say that if anything, this whole lag debate thing brings into question the actual skill level of the korean pros, and their level of respect for the non-korean scene. the korean netizens can whine all they want, one iem showing korean domination means jack squat, so i'm waiting on the first lan tsl-like tournament to settle the matter, if that kind of shit is relevant - which it isn't to anyone with their heads not up their butts.

in the end, it was good matches, and judging from the viewership and the sheer amount of discussion the tsl has generated throughout the world sc2 scene, this tourney has been a huge success from both the spectator and the business points of view, which in a sense makes it inherently legitimate
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deerpark87
Profile Joined January 2011
760 Posts
March 27 2011 20:37 GMT
#50
why are we starting ANOTHER thread about lag?
kNightLite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States408 Posts
March 27 2011 20:45 GMT
#51
You know I thought that lag was going to be big issue for such a large tournament but that hasnt been the case. The Korean-based players didnt lose their games because lag was hurting their micro. They lost because they made bad decisions. The only game I saw that was won/lost on micro alone was genius vs qxc game 2. I think you can argue that lag really hurt genius there because qxc was able to claw his way to victory on the back of EMP. However I cant think of any other game thus that you could delegitimitize due to lag.
zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
March 27 2011 20:47 GMT
#52
On March 28 2011 05:20 StarSense wrote:
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On March 28 2011 05:03 zerglingsfolife wrote:
There are like 50-100 posters here on TL who joined after SC2, and all they do in every thread is bitch about whatever is the current hot topic. There were literally fucking people in the NASL thread who complained that more Koreans needed to be invited. Then these exact same people create threads stating that the lag was too great when Koreans played foreigners and they didn't want to watch it. Are you kidding me?

It's these same shitty posters who bring up lag in every thread. These vocal people haven't done shit for the community except bitch.


That strikes me as ironic considering your quote.


Lol that's my quote because it's an example of a hilarious PR blunder.
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xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
March 27 2011 20:59 GMT
#53
TSL=awesomeness. Sure, the lag might be a "problem" but if you ask any one of the players, I would say that 90-95% wouldn't even complain (and they are the ones playing). Considering the social stigma against gaming in NA, TSL has been a breakthrough.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
March 27 2011 21:10 GMT
#54
There will always be criticisms of any event; the larger the viewer base, the more complaints.

It's ridiculous to ask questions like "Has the legitimacy of TSL3 been compromised?"...
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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
March 27 2011 21:13 GMT
#55
They did what they could. There's been issues but I don't think there's anything that could be done about them by TL, and in spite of it there's already been a lot of good games. When it's all NA and EU players I think we'll have a very good, clean tournament with few hiccups. It's just too bad the Korean players weren't prepared(not blaming them, I don't think they knew in advance that adjusting to latency would be such a big issue) and weren't able to show their true colors. There are still some very good foreigners playing.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 27 2011 21:36 GMT
#56
You know, this whole "one side not preparing for the conditions" reminds me of the World Baseball Classic, where countries such as the USA don't prepare nearly as seriously as countries such as Korea or Japan.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
March 27 2011 21:37 GMT
#57
Anyone who saw the game between TLO and Nada when Nada did his banshee harass micro will realize that the lag isn't even half as bas as certain people claims it to be.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 27 2011 21:42 GMT
#58
On March 28 2011 04:54 Herpadurr wrote:
What bothers me as well is the fact that we're served replays , despite all the hype around the whole thing.
It just feels kind of stupid.

What, you want it to lag even more?
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
March 27 2011 21:49 GMT
#59
This thread is preeeetty much mooted by jinro's thread in TSL forum, titled on the subject of na kr lag, everyone in here just go read that done endofthread.
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Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
March 27 2011 22:01 GMT
#60
On March 28 2011 06:10 Wolf wrote:
There will always be criticisms of any event; the larger the viewer base, the more complaints.

It's ridiculous to ask questions like "Has the legitimacy of TSL3 been compromised?"...

Agreed.

Larger viewer base also equals more ridiculous questions/claims.
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