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On March 28 2011 04:12 Bill Murray wrote:
I stopped reading at "Boxer's girlfriend".
She is a master on the subject, huh?
edit: I can't believe I'm adding to this, but Adelscott played MVP on the NA server from Europe, obviously. What's the excuse for that?
Um, Euro to NA versus NA to Asia is not the same...
For the people saying with practice, lag is manageable, sure. Except you do realize that TSL isn't the only concern for the non-NA players right? You don't just practice with expectations of lag on a daily basis.
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I think directing this to Jinro is the best course of action.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205366
It sucks that there's lag issues when mixing Asia & non-Asia players. But if Korean pros aren't willing to put a little time to train on an NA/EU server for a tournament to get used to lag, are they deserving of being placed in that tournament?
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Funny how the most mentioned argument brought up is simply that the highly held koreans lost. So there must be something to it right? *rofl*
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On March 28 2011 03:33 rift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 03:31 LuckyFool wrote:
TSL has been perfect in every way so far imo. I can't agree. I'm not saying the foreigners wouldn't be able to win in equal situations, they played very well; but I'll always ask, "what would've the outcome been without latency?" I am actually hoping they get eliminated (the remaining Koreans) now just so it doesn't have a sense of unfairness. And everyone cheering on foreigners feels equally unfair; it's like me beating someone at a sport who is coming to play very sick, and everyone congratulates me for it.
Lag should NOT be used as an excuse for losing in this tournament. The korean players knew full well what they were getting into as soon as they were invited. None of them had to accept the invite, they were not forced to play in this event. They chose to play willingly, so to do that, and then complain about the lag (that they most certainly already knew about going into this) is pretty silly imo.
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Its a North American tournament. Thus it is played on North American servers. Mind blowing.
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On March 28 2011 04:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Its a North American tournament. Thus it is played on North American servers. Mind blowing.
Waaaaait a minute, TSL is a north american tournament? Says who?
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Can someone quote the actual statements by Boxer, his gf (lol) and the other pros stating that lag was a big reason for the results of the korean players? Everyone throws those quotes around, but I never saw the source myself.
edit: I know about Jinro's thread btw.
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On March 28 2011 04:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Its a North American tournament. Thus it is played on North American servers. Mind blowing.
lol. false. NA server have the best latency. Which is why it was picked, as mentioned by Chill and Husky yseterday
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On March 28 2011 04:11 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:07 Misanthrope wrote:
This is a Blizzard problem, not a TSL3 problem. exactly. TL does everything to provide as fair a playing field as possibly. There's literally nothing more than can do. So to say the integrity of the TSL is in question honestly is questioning the integrity of the entire game.
I think that's fair.
I hate playing in lag when I'm used to playing on LAN. There's no doubt that it is frustrating for players who are used to good latency. Nothing TL can do about it, but that doesn't change that it's affecting the games.
TSL is as legitimate as any online tournament is ever going to be. There were lag problems in the BW TSLs as well. It's just kinda something you have to accept about this medium. It will never be as good as a LAN tournament.
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What bothers me as well is the fact that we're served replays , despite all the hype around the whole thing.
It just feels kind of stupid.
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On March 28 2011 04:40 apm66 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Its a North American tournament. Thus it is played on North American servers. Mind blowing. lol. false. NA server have the best latency. Which is why it was picked, as mentioned by Chill and Husky yseterday
I am lolling here because the person you responded to actually is Husky.
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The ping difference is about 50 ms from where I'm situated in the Midwest US.
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On March 28 2011 04:54 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:40 apm66 wrote:On March 28 2011 04:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Its a North American tournament. Thus it is played on North American servers. Mind blowing. lol. false. NA server have the best latency. Which is why it was picked, as mentioned by Chill and Husky yseterday I am lolling here because the person you responded to actually is Husky.
Gold.
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On March 28 2011 04:54 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:40 apm66 wrote:On March 28 2011 04:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Its a North American tournament. Thus it is played on North American servers. Mind blowing. lol. false. NA server have the best latency. Which is why it was picked, as mentioned by Chill and Husky yseterday I am lolling here because the person you responded to actually is Husky.
LOL
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On March 28 2011 05:02 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:54 Dystisis wrote:On March 28 2011 04:40 apm66 wrote:On March 28 2011 04:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Its a North American tournament. Thus it is played on North American servers. Mind blowing. lol. false. NA server have the best latency. Which is why it was picked, as mentioned by Chill and Husky yseterday I am lolling here because the person you responded to actually is Husky. LOL
ROFL
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There are like 50-100 posters here on TL who joined after SC2, and all they do in every thread is bitch about whatever is the current hot topic. There were literally fucking people in the NASL thread who complained that more Koreans needed to be invited. Then these exact same people create threads stating that the lag was too great when Koreans played foreigners and they didn't want to watch it. Are you kidding me?
It's these same shitty posters who bring up lag in every thread. These vocal people haven't done shit for the community except bitch.
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On March 28 2011 04:11 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:07 Misanthrope wrote:
This is a Blizzard problem, not a TSL3 problem. exactly. TL does everything to provide as fair a playing field as possibly. There's literally nothing more than can do. So to say the integrity of the TSL is in question honestly is questioning the integrity of the entire game.
I totally agree that TL has done an excellent job running the tournament. Short of flying all the players out for an offline tourney I don't think there is anything more they can do, and obviously that suggestion isn't reasonable.
That said, there really should be LAN available. The fact that we are still dealing with cross server latency is pretty lame.
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On March 28 2011 04:37 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Its a North American tournament. Thus it is played on North American servers. Mind blowing.
There's so much wrong with that statement. There's more non-NA players than NA players, the main sponsor is a non-NA company. Did you even think before you posted that?
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On March 28 2011 04:54 Herpadurr wrote:
What bothers me as well is the fact that we're served replays , despite all the hype around the whole thing.
It just feels kind of stupid.
It has been explained countless time the reason why they aren't broadcasted live is because they want to ensure the players have the best connection without streamers lagging the games.
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It's in topics like these that I wish I could flame. 
Look, TSL3 is as legit as it can be. It's completely fair in that they even offered to delay the day of the game if the lag is bad for a player. They also offered the oGs house for people to play in because the lag is manageable there. Got 2-second lag? Wait for a better connection or play in a place guaranteed with good connection. What more do you want TL to do? This is ridiculous. They made it as fair as possible to the players.
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