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A Modest Proposal by an SC2 Know-Nothing

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HULKAMANIA
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States1219 Posts
March 27 2011 06:48 GMT
#1
I am making this thread because I want to offer a humble suggestion to my fellow spectators of the TSL3:

Some preliminary background. I followed both previous TSL’s, but I am not really a true forum veteran. My level of involvement on this site has waxed and waned since 2004. I’ve also been watching SC:BW since SKY OSL 2002, but I never even played BW. Even in the heyday of my four-year Starcraft “career,” I only played vanilla SC (perverse, I know). As of today, I have played maybe six games of SC2—all on my friends account, all in bronze league, all consisting of a 6 pool as Zerg.

And that’s kind of leads me to my point. Let me tell you, I am deliriously happy with the TSL so far. I couldn’t be more pleased even though there are times when I have fuck-all clue what’s going on. And I couldn’t be more pleased, looking back, that BW has been my spectator sport of choice for the past eight or nine years, even though especially in my early years I hadn’t the faintest notion of how high level games ought to pan out. I think my ignorance nowadays in SC2 and then in BW actually worked to my advantage.

A lot of fans on TL remind me of those unhappy parents you see at little league baseball games. They are so sure they could be making better calls than the umpire; they are so confident in their superior understanding of the game; they are so persuaded that their particular child is not getting a fair shake that they end up shouting and fretting and carrying on and basically having a really shitty time. They don’t end up enjoying the game or even, hell, the fresh air. They just bring everyone down. You end up wishing they would just chill out, grab a hot dog from yonder concession stand, and try to appreciate the spectacle, rather than flying off the handle every time they think they perceive some minor-ass transgression on field.

Well—OK—maybe TSL3 is a little more serious than a little league game, and maybe there have been some problems that are less than minor (personally I haven’t seen any, but I’m willing to give it the benefit of a doubt considering, like I said, that I don’t know very much about the game). Regardless, I think that people would have a much better time if they didn’t feel so goddamn heavily invested in pointing out how so-and-so only lost because of blah-blah-blah, if they didn’t feel like their personal grasp of SC2 strats and tactics were in question just because a game didn’t turn out how they expected and so they have to go fishing for an alternate explanation.

Basically, I think people would be having a much better time if they weren’t taking this TSL so personally.

All I can really tell you is this: life is good over here in the casual spectator section. Life is very good. I love the story lines. I love the art. I love the casters even though (shock surprise!) they don’t cast at every moment like the perfect almighty caster in my head would have. I love the pretty explosions and the sound effects. I love it when TL crashes. I loved it today when this crazy German guy that I had never seen play before today actually beat Nestea in a perfect nailbiter of a series. I mean there is some truly quality shit going down here, BUT, if you’re paying more attention to might be going wrong than what actually is going oh-so-right, you’re missing out.

So this is just my little proposal. Try to focus less on whether or not the game has been patched into perfection yet. Try to focus less on what insidious conspiracy of circumstances might have allowed this one player who is theoretically completely garbage to triumph over this other guy who is the perfect embodiment of SC2 virtuosity. Try to focus less on how some minor faux pas on the part of the TSL3 planners or admins or casters spells certain doom for “the future of e-sports.”

Try to enjoy this little gem of a spectator sport instead. Just spectate the spectacle. I can assure you from years of experience that watching high level RTS play in pure dumb amazement pays off in huge dividends of enjoyment.


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If it were not so, I would have told you.
Binky1842
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States2599 Posts
March 27 2011 06:58 GMT
#2
i was hoping for some jonathan swift references
but i do agree with you

it feels like a lot of people bitching about the tsl/sc2 are bronze level kids who think they know how to play, and how others should play. the same kids are the ones who shit talk everyone involved and mouth off what their holier than thou vision of sc2 should be, but will never contribute to the community in their stay here


this is something we all share a passion for, everyone of us. enjoy it, and enjoy each other. don't take everything so seriously
"The zoo could not confirm that Binky was the attacker, but only Binky had blood on his face following the incident"
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
March 27 2011 06:59 GMT
#3
This 100%. After I saw the drama erupting after today's casts, I had to leave TL for a while even though there was some more stuff I wanted to read. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill.
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HULKAMANIA
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States1219 Posts
March 27 2011 07:03 GMT
#4
On March 27 2011 15:58 Binky1842 wrote:
i was hoping for some jonathan swift references

Well you obviously don't know what they're making those hot dogs in yonder concession stand out of.
If it were not so, I would have told you.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
March 27 2011 07:14 GMT
#5
I need to develop a negativity blocker so I can read the forums. I just feel bad for the mods and admin having to clean this up. TSL has been great for me. The best production values yet.

Keep up the good work Staff, and volunteers!
Brood War forever!
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
March 27 2011 07:38 GMT
#6
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 07:58:49
March 27 2011 07:57 GMT
#7
I like this post. I myself posted once while watching TSL yesterday and that was a cheer for goOdy in his fan club, a standard procedure in itself.

It would be more fun to post in other threads and sections if I could relate to all the complaint / arguing posts. I however can't do this so I hope the focus will shift when the game gets more seasoned or enough people read blogs like this
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
March 27 2011 08:54 GMT
#8
This couldn't be more true.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
March 27 2011 12:59 GMT
#9
Couldn't agree more. I was getting really sick of reading 90% of responses on live report complain about the same things. I liked reading people's thoughts and excitements about the games themselves, but not who the better player is or should be and so on.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9555 Posts
March 27 2011 13:15 GMT
#10
I wholeheartedly agree. TSL is only SC2 tournament that I watch and it's been amazingly enjoyable experience even when I know jack shit of SC2 strategy.

The first game between Adelscott and MVP was amazing to me, because it's first time I saw micro actually implemented in PvT and not just 200 vs 200 1a fights (Frozean vs Boxer) -.-
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14198 Posts
March 27 2011 14:50 GMT
#11
I loved the TSL today and I hate the haters that are hating on it. Its been an amazing ternoment so far expecaly yesterday when we saw koreans loseing. my bracket is do dead right now but I feel so amazing for how this ternoment is going to go.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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