• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:04
CET 10:04
KST 18:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced9[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Which season is the best in ASL? A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2036 users

A Modest Proposal by an SC2 Know-Nothing

Blogs > HULKAMANIA
Post a Reply
HULKAMANIA
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States1219 Posts
March 27 2011 06:48 GMT
#1
I am making this thread because I want to offer a humble suggestion to my fellow spectators of the TSL3:

Some preliminary background. I followed both previous TSL’s, but I am not really a true forum veteran. My level of involvement on this site has waxed and waned since 2004. I’ve also been watching SC:BW since SKY OSL 2002, but I never even played BW. Even in the heyday of my four-year Starcraft “career,” I only played vanilla SC (perverse, I know). As of today, I have played maybe six games of SC2—all on my friends account, all in bronze league, all consisting of a 6 pool as Zerg.

And that’s kind of leads me to my point. Let me tell you, I am deliriously happy with the TSL so far. I couldn’t be more pleased even though there are times when I have fuck-all clue what’s going on. And I couldn’t be more pleased, looking back, that BW has been my spectator sport of choice for the past eight or nine years, even though especially in my early years I hadn’t the faintest notion of how high level games ought to pan out. I think my ignorance nowadays in SC2 and then in BW actually worked to my advantage.

A lot of fans on TL remind me of those unhappy parents you see at little league baseball games. They are so sure they could be making better calls than the umpire; they are so confident in their superior understanding of the game; they are so persuaded that their particular child is not getting a fair shake that they end up shouting and fretting and carrying on and basically having a really shitty time. They don’t end up enjoying the game or even, hell, the fresh air. They just bring everyone down. You end up wishing they would just chill out, grab a hot dog from yonder concession stand, and try to appreciate the spectacle, rather than flying off the handle every time they think they perceive some minor-ass transgression on field.

Well—OK—maybe TSL3 is a little more serious than a little league game, and maybe there have been some problems that are less than minor (personally I haven’t seen any, but I’m willing to give it the benefit of a doubt considering, like I said, that I don’t know very much about the game). Regardless, I think that people would have a much better time if they didn’t feel so goddamn heavily invested in pointing out how so-and-so only lost because of blah-blah-blah, if they didn’t feel like their personal grasp of SC2 strats and tactics were in question just because a game didn’t turn out how they expected and so they have to go fishing for an alternate explanation.

Basically, I think people would be having a much better time if they weren’t taking this TSL so personally.

All I can really tell you is this: life is good over here in the casual spectator section. Life is very good. I love the story lines. I love the art. I love the casters even though (shock surprise!) they don’t cast at every moment like the perfect almighty caster in my head would have. I love the pretty explosions and the sound effects. I love it when TL crashes. I loved it today when this crazy German guy that I had never seen play before today actually beat Nestea in a perfect nailbiter of a series. I mean there is some truly quality shit going down here, BUT, if you’re paying more attention to might be going wrong than what actually is going oh-so-right, you’re missing out.

So this is just my little proposal. Try to focus less on whether or not the game has been patched into perfection yet. Try to focus less on what insidious conspiracy of circumstances might have allowed this one player who is theoretically completely garbage to triumph over this other guy who is the perfect embodiment of SC2 virtuosity. Try to focus less on how some minor faux pas on the part of the TSL3 planners or admins or casters spells certain doom for “the future of e-sports.”

Try to enjoy this little gem of a spectator sport instead. Just spectate the spectacle. I can assure you from years of experience that watching high level RTS play in pure dumb amazement pays off in huge dividends of enjoyment.


****
If it were not so, I would have told you.
Binky1842
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States2599 Posts
March 27 2011 06:58 GMT
#2
i was hoping for some jonathan swift references
but i do agree with you

it feels like a lot of people bitching about the tsl/sc2 are bronze level kids who think they know how to play, and how others should play. the same kids are the ones who shit talk everyone involved and mouth off what their holier than thou vision of sc2 should be, but will never contribute to the community in their stay here


this is something we all share a passion for, everyone of us. enjoy it, and enjoy each other. don't take everything so seriously
"The zoo could not confirm that Binky was the attacker, but only Binky had blood on his face following the incident"
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
March 27 2011 06:59 GMT
#3
This 100%. After I saw the drama erupting after today's casts, I had to leave TL for a while even though there was some more stuff I wanted to read. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill.
KT fighting~!! | Designing things is fun!
HULKAMANIA
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States1219 Posts
March 27 2011 07:03 GMT
#4
On March 27 2011 15:58 Binky1842 wrote:
i was hoping for some jonathan swift references

Well you obviously don't know what they're making those hot dogs in yonder concession stand out of.
If it were not so, I would have told you.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
March 27 2011 07:14 GMT
#5
I need to develop a negativity blocker so I can read the forums. I just feel bad for the mods and admin having to clean this up. TSL has been great for me. The best production values yet.

Keep up the good work Staff, and volunteers!
Brood War forever!
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
March 27 2011 07:38 GMT
#6
--- Nuked ---
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 07:58:49
March 27 2011 07:57 GMT
#7
I like this post. I myself posted once while watching TSL yesterday and that was a cheer for goOdy in his fan club, a standard procedure in itself.

It would be more fun to post in other threads and sections if I could relate to all the complaint / arguing posts. I however can't do this so I hope the focus will shift when the game gets more seasoned or enough people read blogs like this
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
March 27 2011 08:54 GMT
#8
This couldn't be more true.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
TL+ Member
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
March 27 2011 12:59 GMT
#9
Couldn't agree more. I was getting really sick of reading 90% of responses on live report complain about the same things. I liked reading people's thoughts and excitements about the games themselves, but not who the better player is or should be and so on.
Undefeated TL Tecmo Super Bowl League Champion
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9526 Posts
March 27 2011 13:15 GMT
#10
I wholeheartedly agree. TSL is only SC2 tournament that I watch and it's been amazingly enjoyable experience even when I know jack shit of SC2 strategy.

The first game between Adelscott and MVP was amazing to me, because it's first time I saw micro actually implemented in PvT and not just 200 vs 200 1a fights (Frozean vs Boxer) -.-
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14049 Posts
March 27 2011 14:50 GMT
#11
I loved the TSL today and I hate the haters that are hating on it. Its been an amazing ternoment so far expecaly yesterday when we saw koreans loseing. my bracket is do dead right now but I feel so amazing for how this ternoment is going to go.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
2025 KFC Monthly #3 - Day 3
CranKy Ducklings11
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 184
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 28356
PianO 3574
Larva 538
Leta 310
Zeus 228
Shine 90
Bale 81
BeSt 73
Dewaltoss 67
Sharp 46
[ Show more ]
sorry 43
Backho 35
IntoTheRainbow 7
NotJumperer 6
Terrorterran 4
ajuk12(nOOB) 1
Dota 2
XcaliburYe331
NeuroSwarm116
League of Legends
JimRising 595
C9.Mang0242
Counter-Strike
PGG 197
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor124
Other Games
summit1g12723
ceh9485
WinterStarcraft484
Happy330
Mew2King101
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick616
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream434
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2101
League of Legends
• Rush1989
• Lourlo1338
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
2h 56m
ByuN vs Cure
TBD vs NightMare
TBD vs Classic
TBD vs Solar
Zoun vs Creator
OSC
7h 56m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 2h
TBD vs SHIN
TBD vs Reynor
TBD vs herO
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
[ Show More ]
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.