• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:01
CET 11:01
KST 19:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros9[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION2Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams12Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest5
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
What's going on with b.net? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ladder Map Matchup Stats Map pack for 3v3/4v4/FFA games BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Challenge: Maths isn't all…
Hildegard
more word salad -- pay no h…
Peanutsc
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1657 users

Anti colossus micro?

Blogs > TzTz
Post a Reply
TzTz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany511 Posts
February 19 2011 23:47 GMT
#1
We have seen anti baneling micro softening up the hardcounter to marines.

I just wonder after again after watching some of the GSTL games: Why don't players counter colossi more by micro? I had great success in 4v4s with it, and I don't even execute it that well... Basically colossi have splash rectangular to the direction they fire in. So typicalls when two armies fight two frontlines will form. You can reduce colossus splash a LOT by selecting 1-2 units at a time and moving them a step to the front or a step to the back. Colossi hit 2-3 units at a time if you do well.

Of course forcefield makes this difficult, but there are lots of possibilities where this kind of micro should really help, but i never saw it used really...

What do you think?

mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
February 19 2011 23:52 GMT
#2
This would be more viable with 1-2 colossi, but in most large engagements, that kind of micro would be negligible, because the colossi numbers would be a little too much.

But generally speaking, in an engagement with few colossi, there's a lot of micro anyway.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
February 19 2011 23:54 GMT
#3
Well, forcefields are mostly used to trap units between the forcefield and your units. There's no micro room. In situations where you CAN micro, especially with zerg, all your doing is taking an already scarce number of units out of fighting range. In PvP people do micro, but it's mostly microing the colossus.
Lanaia is love.
SiN]
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States540 Posts
February 20 2011 01:08 GMT
#4
Forcefields and ranged units make it not worth doing.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 20 2011 02:50 GMT
#5
On February 20 2011 10:08 SiN] wrote:
Forcefields and ranged units make it not worth doing.


Indeed. Once you engage their army, if you start "microing" your units around you're actually hurting yourself more than helping yourself.

The only micro you really do in full engagement situations is retreating or committing and making a good arc.

The "micro" that OP is talking about makes you lose DPS and ur units will stumble around, not to mention forcefields as sin just said above. It's better to not touch your units sometimes, unless you're kiting, but that is different from the "micro" you are trying to describe in OP.
Sup
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 04:13:16
February 20 2011 04:12 GMT
#6
What you can do in a pvp situation, where both sides have collossi, is to send half your zealots in at a time. This way only half of your zealots will be taking damage at any moment. Your opponent will use up his meat shield before you do.

Generally when you post this kind of theory, you want to have a few videos to back your case up.
MrRicewife
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 04:40:52
February 20 2011 04:31 GMT
#7
On February 20 2011 08:47 TzTz wrote:

Of course forcefield makes this difficult, but there are lots of possibilities where this kind of micro should really help, but i never saw it used really...

What do you think?

I think you answered your own question. FF goes up, units behind FF keep shooting, the units in front get the fuck out of dodge. You are microing your vikings ofc, and once your units in front get out of dodge two things happen:

a) toss/terran fucks off thinking he can't win
b) you have a back and forth battle, and toss tries to FF you again, repeat and rinse.

On February 20 2011 11:50 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 10:08 SiN] wrote:
Forcefields and ranged units make it not worth doing.

The "micro" that OP is talking about makes you lose DPS and ur units will stumble around, not to mention forcefields as sin just said above. It's better to not touch your units sometimes, unless you're kiting, but that is different from the "micro" you are trying to describe in OP.

Hmm, maybe I just learned something. So, you should leave the units in front of FF alone?

I see the logic; move, no dps, majority of units die anyway so why not max their potential dps..

While I have you here Avilo :D around what army supply is the money shot time/supply for Terran to drop ghost academy? It seems to be around 90-110 in a pure bio army, roughly ofc.

p.s. totally big fan, been watching you since BETA. TRIPLE STRIKE NUKE BABY! WOO

Where is your fan club??
So? My dad can beat up your dad. - Jesus
MrRicewife
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 04:35:30
February 20 2011 04:35 GMT
#8
double post... noob
So? My dad can beat up your dad. - Jesus
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 59m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 256
MindelVK 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21341
Sea 4349
firebathero 1008
Pusan 611
Killer 282
Mini 243
ToSsGirL 143
JulyZerg 35
Mong 29
soO 24
[ Show more ]
Terrorterran 5
Dota 2
XaKoH 894
ODPixel202
XcaliburYe189
febbydoto24
League of Legends
JimRising 653
Counter-Strike
zeus539
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox695
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor199
Other Games
summit1g17664
Happy319
nookyyy 54
amsayoshi13
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick828
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 27
• Adnapsc2 10
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2219
Upcoming Events
BSL Team A[vengers]
3h 59m
Cross vs Sobenz
Sziky vs IcaruS
SC4ALL
4h 59m
SC4ALL
4h 59m
BSL 21
8h 59m
Replay Cast
22h 59m
Wardi Open
1d 1h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 12h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
LAN Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
LAN Event
4 days
LAN Event
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
LAN Event
6 days
IPSL
6 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
SC4ALL: Brood War
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.