• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:40
CEST 11:40
KST 18:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview1[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event11Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced9
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
(Spoiler) Asl ro8 D winner interview BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Do we have a pimpest plays list? AI Question
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1188 users

Twilight of the Dong

Blogs > Askalaphos
Post a Reply
Askalaphos
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany772 Posts
February 16 2011 13:04 GMT
#1
At first: English ist not my first language and so I think, I will made many silly mistakes in that entry, please go easy on myAt first: English is not my first language and so I think, I will made many silly mistakes in that entry, please go easy on my, I hope you understand me anyway.


Here are some thoughts I have in mind, after viewing the last month of Pro-BW:
To make this absolutely clear: I'm a great Jaedong fan. Well, I think you can call me an huge Jaedong-Fanboy!
If the Dong wins the Day starts good (for Europe the Games are normally early in the morning) and if he looses... well the day starts anyway.

But, I can't deny, I have the feeling, that we witnesses the end of his dominance.
- All his last finals he loses too Flash,
- He drops out of the OSL after loosing againt HiyA and Hogil...,
- This MSL was his to take, because there were only Zergs left, but he lost against Hydra in a best-of-five!
- In the Proleague-season he lost some important Ace-Matches and never accomplished an AK so far.

Of course he played some very good Games in that time, too.
The last game in the round-of-eight in the MSL against Snow or his last game against BaBy in the PL, but I have the feeling, he wins those game by his great will to win and not because he played way stronger than his opponent.

Altogether - and that makes my fan-heart bleeding - we witnesses something, that I call in these blog "Twilight of the Dong". (After the opera "Twilight of the Gods", because JD was the last years really the God of all Zergs.)

It's hard but, I think all Jaedong fans have to accept, that maybe (I really hope MAYBE) the era of the Dong comes to an end.
And well, of cause that happens to all Pro-BW-players, but because JD is my favorite player it is very hard for me to accept...

Am I the only one who have these thoughts?
What do you think?, I hope you understand me anyway.


Here are some thougts I have in mind, after viewing the last month of Pro-BW:
To make this absolutly clear: I'm a great Jaedong fan. Well, I think you can call me an huge Jaedong-Fanboy!
But, I can't denie, I have the feeling, that we witnesses the end of his domiance.

*
FavZerg: EffOrt, Jaedong; FavProtoss: Movie, Kal; FavTerran: BaBy, Leta
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
February 16 2011 13:32 GMT
#2
i mean you cant really say for sure. you never know. jaedong is the kind of guy who can just start absolutely tearing shit up again even after a 'slump' (hate that word btw)
Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
February 16 2011 13:51 GMT
#3
I was really really worried about Jaedong after his loss to Hydra, but I think the poster above me is correct. Jaedong is just really really talented as an rts player, he is still ridiculously scary atm, and I think we'll see a resurgence.
Every sunday a nun lays from my gunplay
Shaman.us
Profile Joined May 2010
United States319 Posts
February 16 2011 13:52 GMT
#4
I feel that the biggest issue is not that jaedong is losing his grip on the game, but that the average zerg player has improved to the point that the Dong is no longer the dominant Tyrant he once was. Even if this is the beginning of his end, I'm sure we'll still see strokes of brilliance poking through the shroud of mediocrity.
Shaman.233
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
February 16 2011 14:07 GMT
#5
Give him time, after all, hes been performing the most consistent out of the TBLS(where there were really obvious slumping times(or you could say time periods where some of them really played bad.)) He still kills the scrubs as easily as he does. He just seems to have lost the edge over his opponents. All he needs is a real break( not a break where his practice is piling up like half of his schedule) then he would be fresh and ready to go.

Against Flash, I really have nothing to say but its more of jaedong trying to win Flash out of pure mechanics instead of preparing builds. I don't really mean to say that is stupid but it seems as though his mechanics have dulled over the years, last time his muta micro was what made him so godly. He wouldn't miss a shot at all during muta harass and really had what it took to propel himself upwards.

I would like to see a revival from him after all, its too early for hydra to take the scene cause his SL golds got denied by that stupid Flash for the umpteenth time
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
onlinerobbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany547 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 14:21:43
February 16 2011 14:09 GMT
#6
yeah I really expected him to take this MSL too :/ (ZvZs COME ON Oo?!)
but I hope he'll figure out why he started losing this season and will
be strong again in the next one
ohayo- on afk-op teamliquid | tuturuuuu! mayushi desu - 유인나, 이지은 사랑 (멍 지효 <3 )
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
February 16 2011 15:42 GMT
#7
Imo, Jaedong's never been on a slump yet. He has never lost like more than 4 or 5 games in row. But yeah, huge Jaedong fan here too, and it just seems like his reign is slowly coming to an end. I remember he was just the boss before Flash started his dominance. Nowadays, protoss players have been beating left and right, losing zvz to hydra, etc. Sigh...

What really gets me though is that Hydra had better muta micro than Jaedong. I remember when he did 2 group muta harass and stuff like that.
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
February 16 2011 15:51 GMT
#8
I miss the days when he used to be called "The Next Bonjwa" (along with Bisu)
As a matter of fact, I'm extremely frustrated and sad that TBLS has disappointed all my expectations this year
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
February 16 2011 15:56 GMT
#9
On February 17 2011 00:51 Raii wrote:
I miss the days when he used to be called "The Next Bonjwa" (along with Bisu)
As a matter of fact, I'm extremely frustrated and sad that TBLS has disappointed all my expectations this year


Why?

Flash is still dominating everyone good but losing to scrubs with good builds.
Bisu is still dominating scrubs but losing to anyone good.
Stork is still showing amazing play until the finals.
Jaedong is the only one who's been disappointing so far imo.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
February 16 2011 16:29 GMT
#10
Exactly.
The whole "Flash is god" thing has sunken into me, so it's extremely unusual for me to see Flash lose to scrubs.
Bisu is owning JUST scrubs[except Jaedong and a few others]. That isn't exactly saying anything. Well, he does have most wins so far, so Bisu is a so-so.
Stork is showing pretty solid results, but I'm disappointed that he couldn't nab the OSL gold.
Jaedong, as you have said, is probably doing the worst out of TBLS right now.
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
Kairo
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 16:48:22
February 16 2011 16:47 GMT
#11
It would be sad if Jaedong lost his edge, but it follows the turns that happen to the best progamers in their natural habitat where a new style arises and the old gods fall.

If the speculated hive ZvZ era actually starts, whether Jaedong manages to adopt it or not, I will suddenly gain a new matchup to follow and we will be able to rejoice in the fact that BW strategy is still not stagnant.
Only the insane have strength enough to prosper. Only those who prosper may truly judge what is sane. Off she rode with a trumpety trump; trump trump trump.<- Sig since before the Don.
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 18:13:49
February 16 2011 17:29 GMT
#12
Guys, cmon, Flash could NEVER imagine what its like to play a matchup so hard like ZvZ, where if you just lose 2 mutas then you are done.

Lets pretend TvT was like ZvZ, where like if T lose 2 tanks he is done.
how many times we watched flash been behind?, if TvT was like ZvZ, Flash winrate will be barely 70%.

Hydra is very good at ZvZ, Jaedong is very good too, ZvZ is just insanely hard. and TvT is the most forgiven matchup EVER. so BEEN JD is HARDER than been Flash.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
February 16 2011 17:43 GMT
#13
On February 17 2011 02:29 insanet wrote:
Guys, cmon, Flash could NEVER imagine what its like to play a matchup so hard like ZvZ, where if you just 2 mutas then you are done.

Lets pretend TvT was like ZvZ, where like if T lose 2 tanks he is done.
how many times we watched flash been behind?, if TvT was like ZvZ, Flash winrate will be barely 70%.

Hydra is very good at ZvZ, Jaedong is very good too, ZvZ is just insanely hard. and TvT is the most forgiven matchup EVER. so BEEN JD is HARDER than been Flash.

Wrong.

Jaedong is just as good as hes always been, just currently flash is better and hydra understands zvz. We shouldn't pretend we understand what the pros are thinking when they make discisions that turn into a disidvantage.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
February 16 2011 17:49 GMT
#14
As an extreme JD fanboy I view his current situation as a slump too

I remember when I first declared fanboyism...he was the best progamer without a doubt IMO.

Then he became #2 to only Flash..which was okay, I could deal with that even though I didn't like it.

Now... /sigh I can't wait for him to get back on his feet, it just seems like he's not the same player he was before I remember my heart swelling with pride whenever I mentioned JD to anyone; now I feel the reflex to start making excuses for him.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
09:30
2026 Season 1: Ro8 Group A
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
IntoTheiNu 376
Ryung 130
CranKy Ducklings SOOP43
herO (SOOP)22
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 130
herO (SOOP) 22
Rex 8
StarCraft: Brood War
BeSt 1736
Hyuk 360
actioN 244
hero 141
Rush 120
Mong 99
Backho 77
Mind 71
Killer 71
EffOrt 53
[ Show more ]
Aegong 49
sSak 48
Shine 25
ZerO 23
Noble 21
Bale 16
Sacsri 16
soO 8
SilentControl 7
ajuk12(nOOB) 5
Dota 2
monkeys_forever142
League of Legends
JimRising 427
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1684
allub229
zeus141
Super Smash Bros
Westballz28
Other Games
summit1g6820
Happy352
Sick217
Mew2King64
ZerO(Twitch)2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick577
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream19
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 30
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos960
• TFBlade883
• Stunt443
Upcoming Events
GSL
23h 50m
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
1d 1h
OSC
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Escore
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
BSL
4 days
GSL
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Soma vs Leta
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-05
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.