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Marvel vs. Capcom 3 & Competitive Fighting Games

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justle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 04:12:34
January 31 2011 03:58 GMT
#1
One of the hosts of my weekly podcast wrote about Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and how it could impact the competitive fighting game scene. Some of you might find it interesting!

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With Marvel vs. Capcom 3 on it’s way to all of our eager and sweaty palms, it’s pretty easy to say that this is one of the most hyped up games in recent history. It has the potential for greatness; It also has the potential to rip apart a competitive fighting game community that has flourished in recent years. For those who haven’t familiarized yourself with the series yet, get on your game. Back in 2000, when Marvel vs. Capcom 2 hit, I was at my local Malibu Grand Prix playing a Wolverine/Spider-Man/Captain America combo and pwning my friends with the most basic air-combos-to-supers and actually figuring out how to use the assists from other characters to make Captain America viable. I was so proud of my personal successes, however small, and it turns out the fighting game community at large was sharing in a similar reaction to the game. MvC2 turned out to be a huge title for the fighting game community and we can only hope MvC3 will do the same.

Since the biggest fighting game tournament in the US, Evolution Championship Series (EVO), began in 2003, only two games have been played every year: Street Fighter II: Turbo and Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Ask any random person who has grown up in the 90s about Street Fighter II and they will give you a long drawn out “My old school SF2 Guile was the best!” speech that will leave you reminiscing about your experiences with the game. Ask any random person about their experiences with MvC2, and most of the time they will say that they never played, only saw people playing it at their local arcades. What a travesty. If you did have some experience with the game and were to search YouTube for videos right now, you’d probably say to yourself something like “WTF, Sentinel? Who plays Strider!? Captain Commando, ROFL! My team of Ryu, Sabertooth and Juggernaut will pwn!” Let it be known that people have been fine tuning tier lists and their own personal 3-man teams since the game came out in 2000. People are still crazy about this game. At the most recent major tournament, West Coast Warzone 3, our friends at iPlayWinner.com streamed a marathon first to 15, winner take all, $15,000 money match from two of the best players in the world, Clockw0rk and Neo. The 1:30:17 match (that’s an hour and 30 minutes) has over 85,000 views as of this post. The best fighting game player in the world, Justin Wong, as well as other pros commentate a match that has an entire hotel floor shaking with excitement. This game, which has been played for the last ten years and has developed a huge underground following with tons of hype, is set to go mainstream this year with the release of Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

But will all this hype be good for fighting games?

Think about it. What was the first game that you played competitively? If you had a PC, Quake, Starcraft and Counter-Strike come to mind first. Maybe you had the initial XBOX and you traveled around to Halo LAN parties and tournaments. Or if you’re like me and had a PS2 with the first network adapter, you probably picked up the first shooter with a headset, SOCOM: US Navy Seals. I imagine many people’s first competitive experience is much like mine. Looking back at the game it was not exactly the greatest, but what kept you come back for more was the community. The friendships and rivalries that you created over the years, only to try to reach the FINAL BOSS’, the LiQuid ZeRo’s, the Justin Wong’s or any number of untouchable players you watched. In baseball, the Yankees are hated because they seem to make it to the playoffs every single season. But what would happen if Street Fighter’s Daigo Umehara didn’t make the finals of EVO every year for Street Fighter 4? What if he looked vulnerable for even a single second of that stream?

Now, look back at your game of choice. For most, there was a lull in the level of competition or a community split. When SOCOM 3 came out only half of the community came with it. It killed the franchise and the only chance PlayStation had for competitive gaming at that time.

Will this happen when MvC3 comes out? Will it prove to splinter the community that SF4 has rescued from the “Dark Age of Fighting Games?” This is all speculation, and for someone who has immersed themselves into fighting games for the past year I hope it won’t come true. But I’m a little older now, and a little wiser.

I haven’t competed in a video game since the SOCOM community split in 2006. However, I have decided that I will be a “Christmas Noob” and begin to compete in Marvel. Will I become part of the new influx of competitive gamers that will travel and help the community flourish? I can tell you that I’ll definitely be at EVO. Or, will I help kill the scene that I am beginning to love? Only time will tell, and all I know for sure is:

I can’t wait.

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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
January 31 2011 04:08 GMT
#2
interesting read but this here had me confused:
"Will this happen when MvC3 comes out? Will it destroy the scene that SF4 has brought back from the self-proclaimed “Dark Ages of Fighting Games?” This is all speculation, and for someone who has immersed themselves into fighting games for the past year I hope it won’t come true. But I’m a little older now, and a little wiser."
i have no idea how it will destroy the scene. maybe i'm reading it wrong :/

and lol your ryu/sabertooth/juggs comment. i remember the first time i laid eyes on intermediate/high level marvel videos i was left wondering where my original team of spiderman/guile/strider was :D
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justle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States174 Posts
January 31 2011 04:11 GMT
#3
I think he was referring to splintering the community like Counter-Strike: Source/1.6, Starcraft II/BW, and a few other examples. I personally hate this happening to any community, even though the newer games bring in additional fans. It would be pretty awesome if everyone jumped on board with the new games (especially if they were better).

It's different with fighting games, though, because they are faced with updated versions of the franchises they like, much like we are as PC gamers, but also have the option to jump franchises from like Street Fighter to Marvel vs. Capcom.
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
January 31 2011 04:13 GMT
#4
Interesting read. I never into fighting games and knows nothing except justin wong lol.
Maybe everyone will stick on SF4 like CoD community did with CoD4.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 31 2011 04:43 GMT
#5
Good read.

I'm not sure if it will change anything really, unless the community it self changes. The fighting game community is awesome, but it's focus is really narrow from what I've observed. Apart from Evo, every event seems to be catered to teenaged to young adult males. There is no structure really to support and really grow the massive influx of casuals, like what happened with SC2. My guess is it will be big for a short time, then die off as casuals move on to the next game. The high level players will play it if it's bigger, or better- and if it's not they will keep on with SF4. Anyways, just my opinion. I haven't really followed the fighting community for very long so I can't make a great judgment on what will happen.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 05:03:02
January 31 2011 05:01 GMT
#6
I'm just a casual viewer of video fighting games, i don't even own a console but i just want to say something:

MvC 3 is the only 3D fighting game looking GREAT aestetically wise. SFIV is ugly compared to Third Strike but i think that MvC 3 looks 10x better than MvC 2 ( All the Tekken, Dead or alive etc... are ugly too btw ).
Idk if they have improved their engine or if the comic universes are just more suited to 3D but it is absolutly gorgeous.

Also i hate video game trailers nowadays with all the slow motion + explosion non sense but MvC 3 trailer was amazing because it is the perfect kind of game to go overboard with nonsensical and crazy stuff.


Seriously probably the best intro / trailer i have seen since the Civ 3 intro ( completly different but you get the idea lol ).
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
January 31 2011 05:05 GMT
#7
The thing with the fighting game community is that Capcom actually cares about their player base. Remakes of previous games are readily available even as their current big titles are released. Which is great, because I feel that the community can't be truly splintered, at least not to the extent we have with BW/SC2. Another great thing the community does is that it actually makes an effort to support ALL games. This is much better than the SC one which most foreign communities whore the shit out of SC2 and tend to ignore BW.
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 31 2011 05:18 GMT
#8
sentinel/psylocke/magneto. fucking imba. didn't use that lineup but whenever i played those arcade pros who'd use it i'd cry
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Marberry
Profile Joined April 2010
United States25 Posts
January 31 2011 05:24 GMT
#9
I love the concept of MvC, but in MvC 2, all of the Capcom characters sucked
I mean, it's not Capcom's fault that superheroes are overpowered by definition, but it sucks for the Capcom fans. Hopefully MvC 3 will be (somewhat) better.

Also, they should have included Phoenix Wright. Shit would have been so cash.
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
January 31 2011 05:29 GMT
#10
a psp game called dragonball z shin budokai another road.

the depth of the combat system pretty much made good players never be able to touch great players.

unfortunatly it was on psp thus didnt get as well known as it should have.

honestly the only game i know of that does rotational fighting pure justice.
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