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[Guide] So You Want to Read Latin

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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
January 27 2011 21:22 GMT
#1
This will hopefully be the first in a series. If there's significant interest, I'll try to get an "episode" out two or three days. If not, I'll fill it in here and there as I have time - once a week or so.

Latin? So what? Language of Rome: Caesar, Brutus, Cicero, Romulus and Remus, Aeneas. Dead language, right? Well, if you already want to learn Latin you probably know that's not really accurate. But if you're just curious, here are some reasons Latin's important and interesting:

- Latin forms a basis for many modern European languages. If you already speak and read a language like French, Spanish, or Romanian, chances are you can already get the main ideas of most Latin texts with little to no study.
- The Romans were the closest the Ancient world got to a modern engineering society. Greece was all, "Dude, let's build a temple, Zeus is sweet." Rome was like, "Weak. I've got to get from Rome to Naples. Lets build a road that will last for thousands of years."
- Latin was the "common language" for a couple thousand years. The first really famous Roman authors are from the 1st century BC. Latin finally fell out of use as the international standard somewhere between the 17th and 19th centuries AD, depending on your area of expertise. Diplomatically, it fell to French by the early 18th century. For scholars, it continued to be used up through the 19th century, was derailed by German briefly, and then English took over. So if you can read Latin, you can know everything there is to know a ton of stuff and history and things.
- Latin is cool. It's a "smart person" language, so you can feel superior. It's also a very interesting language, and its relatively few irregularities mean it's a great starting point for other linguistic studies.

Part One: Reading Latin

The easiest thing about learning to read Latin is that, unlike Greek or Russian or Korean, it uses the very common Latin alphabet, minus a few letters. Originally Latin had no Y, or Z, and K was rarely used. All were introduced to deal with Greek words. Latin doesn't have a W. Originally U and V were the same letter, or at least used interchangeably; the same for I and J.

How do you pronounce it? Answer: since Latin today mainly exists as a written language, it doesn't matter. Traditionally it's been taught that Latin used "pure" vowels, but the basic sounds of the letters are the same we all use today. It's believed that the Romans pronounced V as "w", and had no "soft" values for C, G, and S. (There is one place it matters: if you sing or chant Latin. In this case, the vowels are the typical sung vowels. The consonants C and G become soft ("ch" and "j") before i and e. V is pronounced "v". This pronunciation is also known as Church Latin.)

Finally, Latin differentiated between long and short syllables. This was usually determined by the length of the vowel, which often depended in turn on the place in the word. In a regular Latin course, you would first learn all the vocabulary with the long syllables marked with macrons, and late in the course learn the rules for reading without them. Since I'm focusing on reading, and when reading pronunciation doesn't really matter, I'm skipping that bit. (Also it's a pain to reproduce on an English keyboard, even with a Mac. Hopefully later I can do a bit on poetry and how to work all of that out.)

Part Two: Understanding Latin

Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres.

Great. You now know that you can look at that sentence and read it. But what does it mean? In most Latin classes, you'll learn two things: grammar and vocabulary. In fact, Latin grammar is so neat and tidy (compared to most languages) that for hundreds of years in Europe Latin was used to teach all grammatical principles. But since I'm assuming you know English, I'm assuming you know enough grammar that going over it all explicitly would be a waste of time. And vocabulary you just have to learn the hard way - practice.

+ Show Spoiler [Quick Grammar Review] +
Almost all languages have the following, called "parts of speech":
Nouns - words which stand for things: people, places, abstract ideas (tree)
Pronouns - words which can stand in for another thing (it)
Adjectives - words which describe ("modify") nouns (green)
Verbs - words which signify actions, connections, or being (hit)
Adverbs - words which describe verbs, adjectives, or other adverbs (quickly)
Conjunctions - words which connect thoughts or phrases together (and)
Prepositions - words which describe a relationship between things, usually two nouns, or a verb and a noun (for)

In addition, some (but not all) languages have:
Interjections - words used to express sudden or violent emotion (damn!)
Articles - Sometimes considered a type of adjective; used to limit or specify a noun (the)

And finally, some languages consider the
Participle - an adjective formed from the base of a verb (standing)

to be a separate part of speech. Ancient Greek, for example, uses the participle this way (even though most modern grammars, following the Latin model, consider it without the separation).

Languages express thoughts through:
Phrases - a group of words which denotes something, but does not provide "completion" ("for hire" or "the red dog")
Clauses - a group of words which can be considered complete (The red dog sits on the mat.)

Depending on the language, what it take to be "complete" varies slightly, but the general rule of thumb is that a clause needs a subject (an actor) and verb (action).

A clause can either stand on its own as a sentence, or be combined with other clauses in a longer sentence. A phrase, in most languages, cannot be a "sentence", but this rule is often violated even in writing and if you're talking you do it all the time.


Then what I'm going to do is encourage you to make Latin part of your language. We learn our native language by imitation and having to use it. "Wha dis?" "That's a block." "Black." "No, block." Similarly with reading: "C-a-t caaaa?" "Cat". But you can already read, write, and speak your language (and maybe another one: we're going to work on adding Latin into the total sum of the language you know.

Let's go back to the sentence above.

Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres.

To understand this as a sentence you need to be able to understand the basic thought being expressed. This means you need to automatically be able to find the subject and verb. So this is your first assignment. Take this, and the other sentences I'll assign below, and find the subject and verb - the main thing being talked about, and the main idea of what it's doing.

1. Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres.
2. Urbs antiqua fuit Karthago.
3. In principio erat Verbum.
4. Res est praeterea et immensi operis.
5. Inde in consilia publica adhiberi.
6. Atque hoc poetae faciunt in comoediis.
7. Hi omnis lingua inter se differunt.
8. Legiones deinde ductae ad diruendam urbem.
9. Pheonissa Dido errabat silva in magna.
10. Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.

Once you're fairly confident that you have the right subject and verb, go ahead and try to work out a) how the rest of it relates to the main thought and b) what it means.

Also, a brief preview of the next lesson, which will be "minimalist grammar" - or just enough grammar to get you comfortable with the ways Latin works.

Latin is an inflected language, meaning words change their form based on relationship to other words. In Latin, the end of a word changes: if you can figure out what part of a word is its ending, you can figure out its "stem", or base, and then how its been modified to express its relationship to the other words. See: Latin conjugations (verb forms) and declensions (forms for nouns, adjectives, etc.). You will eventually have to memorize or internalize these, either by lots of practice, or just... memorizing them.

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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 21:31:20
January 27 2011 21:30 GMT
#2
i am quite interested
1.
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gallia is ...something... divided into three parts

noun: gallia
verb: est


i know spanish okay so it helps
ty OP
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
January 27 2011 21:52 GMT
#3
Nice read. I took latin for 3 years in high school but, I didn't really learn much. I had 3 different teachers and only the last one was competent. My last teacher was a good teacher although she was bit too hardcore. We would read actual latin from pictures and texts which had some very hard to read characters and the words were never split up. That class did help me on my SAT's though .
SOB_Maj_Brian
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States522 Posts
January 27 2011 22:00 GMT
#4
Took 2 years of Latin in high school and now I am in law school and it didn't help me one damn bit. Spanish would have been much more practical, at least then I could briefly engage in conversation with people at McDonalds. Of course, if I ever get sucked into a time vortex into Roman times, I will be able to say a variety of silly sentences including:

Via est via Romanae
Sempe ubi sub ubi
and that's all I remember...oh and b/c it was Catholic school I can recite the Our Father, very useful indeed...

sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 23:06:43
January 27 2011 22:45 GMT
#5
I love latin. Gorgeously precise or unprecise, completely free word order, freedom to ignore using words if you want to make a poem scan better. Haha, perfection . Plus, the most logical grammar and so many awesome words that immediately you go 'hey that's in my language :D'


My shocking attempt at translating the homework!
+ Show Spoiler +

1. All of Gaul is divided into three parts
2. The old city was Carthage
3. In the beginning there was the word
4. The task you will do is beyond immense!??!
5. Then I will bring to bear the public advice
6. And here the poets made comedies
7. All of these languages differed between themselves
8. Then the soldiers were ordered by their leader to lay waste upon the town
9. Dido wandered into the big Phoenician wood???
10. Of all these people, the strongest are the Belgians?
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 22:58:17
January 27 2011 22:58 GMT
#6
+ Show Spoiler +
1. All of Gaul is divided into 3 parts.
2. There was the ancient city of Carthage
3. At inception was the word
8. The legions were (ordered?) to destroy a city
10. Of all, the Belgians are strongest.

I've forgotten 98% of what I learned in school
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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 00:03:03
January 28 2011 00:01 GMT
#7
Always liked Latin but never actually tried learning it.

1. Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres.
+ Show Spoiler +
France its divided in 3 parts.

2. Urbs antiqua fuit Karthago.
+ Show Spoiler +
Carthage was an old city

3. In principio erat Verbum.
+ Show Spoiler +
In the beggining it was the word


Anyone with any catholic/christian background should know that :p

4. Res est praeterea et immensi operis.
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Here i start to get fucked, Res is "thing" (res public = public thing), praetear should relate to praetor, and with inmensi operis ill go with something like "Its a great work *something* fo praeterea. lol

5. Inde in consilia publica adhiberi.
+ Show Spoiler +
Something about adhering in public council? lol

6. Atque hoc poetae faciunt in comoediis.
+ Show Spoiler +
No idea what atque is suppose to mean, the poest does comfortably or comfortably does ??

7. Hi omnis lingua inter se differunt.
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Language between men is different ???

8. Legiones deinde ductae ad diruendam urbem.
+ Show Spoiler +
The legion .. no clue around the city?

9. Pheonissa Dido errabat silva in magna.
+ Show Spoiler +
Pheonissa dido = name??No clue, if i had to guess errabat=mistake in magna = something big , no clue really

10. Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
+ Show Spoiler +
The belgae are all strong¿??


Nice blog 5/5
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Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
January 28 2011 00:21 GMT
#8
Did they even speak latin in ancient rome?
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
January 28 2011 02:13 GMT
#9
On January 28 2011 09:21 Advocado wrote:
Did they even speak latin in ancient rome?


Tempted to consider this a troll question, but: short answer, yes.

Long answer: Rome was (going beyond the legend) a city founded by one of the Latin tribes (so called for Latium, their earliest principal town) from which we get the name of the language. We don't really know details: all we have are the essentially legendary accounts believed and passed on by Livy (and others) which say it was founded by exiles (since Livy was a Roman, of course they were unjustly exiled) from another earlier settlement, Alba. Alba and Rome fought a series of skirmishes and border wars and Rome won, establishing pre-eminence. The stuff about Alba's founders originally being from Troy is so legendary as to verge on myth, Aeneid or no (although it is plausible that if Trojan refugees from any of the several times the city was sacked made it to Italy and sailed up the Tiber, they would have intermarried with the tribes surrounding Latium).

Latin, as the Roman language, became the common language of the Roman Republic, and then of Italy and the Roman Empire as it expanded. Starting with the conquest of Greece, Greek also spread through the Republic. After Rome absorbed the remnants of the Macedonian and Ptolemaic kingdoms for good under Augustus, Greek became, for a while, the official language of imperial business, culminating in the establishment of a second capital in what is now Istanbul. However, the common language of the western half of the Empire was still Latin, and as the church headed from Rome became the preeminent organization within the Empire it adopted Latin for its business and set the course for the next thousand years or so.
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