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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
true story Q_Q Not going to get involved in this since there's obviously always two sides to the story, but I hope you'll at least get the rights for streaming back. No matter what went down between you and Roffles, it would be a bit petty to keep hundreds of BW fans from watching the games because of some personal beef. Can't we all just get along ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/mirror/smilies/nooo.gif) | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On January 27 2011 15:38 T.O.P. wrote: You have no patience at all. What you should have done is wait for the whole thing to blow over and then try to make friends again. Instead you proved how much of a dick you are by posting it in public. Because of that, you threw away your chance at reconciliation. I'm not worried about the availably of brood war streams. There will always be someone who steps up and streams for TL. You can always open up Afreeca and use that to stream if you wanted to. Banning from IRC at whim, revoking stream access, and staff demotions are not things that one should do lightly. There was more than a month from start to finish in this event. I would say that patience was exercised. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On January 27 2011 15:32 Craton wrote: Aren't those streams in chinese? I guess that would be preferable to nothing, though. upon further inspection it does look like its been redubbed in chinese, though in all reality i don't think they do the dubbing live, you would have to see for yourself. and its quite easy to set up too. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On January 27 2011 15:53 Craton wrote: Banning from IRC at whim, revoking stream access, and staff demotions are not things that one should do lightly. There was more than a month from start to finish in this event. I would say that patience was exercised. Read the fine print, asshole. 6-8 weeks to delivery. User was warned for this post | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On January 27 2011 15:55 masterbreti wrote: upon further inspection it does look like its been redubbed in chinese, though in all reality i don't think they do the dubbing live, you would have to see for yourself. and its quite easy to set up too. I think they do, or at least do most of the time. Feel free to PM me with how to do it. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 27 2011 15:38 T.O.P. wrote: You have no patience at all. What you should have done is wait for the whole thing to blow over and then try to make friends again. Instead you proved how much of a dick you are by posting it in public. Because of that, you threw away your chance at reconciliation. I'm not worried about the availably of brood war streams. There will always be someone who steps up and streams for TL. You can always open up Afreeca and use that to stream if you wanted to. I will say, despite having only 1 side of the story (not one I really care about anyways since I have no vested in interest in it one way or the other), that type of response doesn't bode well for your side. Saying, "You have no patience at all" sounds like saying "Well somebody fucked up and it would have blown over, but you didn't feel like eating our shit for no reason." Looking forward to the drama llama train. | ||
GTR
51589 Posts
As a headnote to those who don't know, I work closely with TOP/Kentor/Solinren on KPF, although I don't these days as much as when the site started up. The main reason for our cause of actions was that your personality towards us was very irrate and we felt you crossed the line too many times. Several incidents highlighted this, but I won't go into this as it will add more unnecessary drama. In short, as a group, we felt that your attitude towards us was a detrimental effect that we did not appreciate. Access to the streams that we pay for and operate, is a privilege, not a right. We reserve every right to add/remove whitelisted IPs at our own discretion. As TOP said, you could have waited a couple of days for everything to boil over, but unfortunately you completely severed our respect for you in whole by making this blog, completely villainising us. I'll let Roffles make a more detailed response when he wakes up, but this is basically the gist of where I am coming from. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1170 Posts
On January 27 2011 15:38 T.O.P. wrote: You have no patience at all. What you should have done is wait for the whole thing to blow over and then try to make friends again. Instead you proved how much of a dick you are by posting it in public. Because of that, you threw away your chance at reconciliation. I'm not worried about the availably of brood war streams. There will always be someone who steps up and streams for TL. You can always open up Afreeca and use that to stream if you wanted to. I think it was right to at least inform us that his access was cut off. And out of everyone with access, he was the only one to step up and stream BW almost every day (yeah I know Roffles streams sometimes and I've seen you do it once). I mean who doesn't log on to TL during game time not expect a Craton stream on these days? Maybe KPF can present their own side so we can see how it was justifiable to deny access to Craton from streaming HQ BW to TL, must be mega huge drama for it to lead up to this. Because if it is only because of a disagreement between how a certain thread should be modded (and not even by TL admins), it's a little ridiculous. Also, the second paragraph looks like indifference to me, I don't think I've ever seen you post on the BW forum since I started posting again in Nov '10, and from that time till now there only have been a handful of streamers - Craton, XesbT, Grobyc (not recently), konadora (LQ, and not often, also restreams, but <3 the effort), fedOr (often, but sometimes laggy, still a champ), and some people who have done it a handful of times (Roffles, T.O.P, Kentor, other smaller streams). I think Craton losing his stream access is a big deal. Edit: Wow, the GTR post appeared after I hit Post, I'll be quiet now and let things run their course -_- | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10830 Posts
i'm not going to comment on whether he should have been destaffed or revoked stream access or not since i'm not fully aware of the situation. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On January 27 2011 16:11 LosingID8 wrote: from the perspective of how TL staff works: when someone loses privileges, they deserve the common courtesy of a PM explaining why the actions took place. i'm not going to comment on whether he should have been destaffed or revoked stream access or not since i'm not fully aware of the situation. Gotta agree with LosingID8 here. How did you not even tell him what you did and why you did it. Doesn't make mutch sense. This is based off what he told uss though. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
Access to the stream that we pay for and operate, is a privilege, not a right. We reserve every right to add/remove whitelisted IPs at our own discretion. I have no disagreement with that. The main reason for our cause of actions was that your personality towards us was very irrate and we felt you crossed the line too many times. Several incidents highlighted this, but I won't go into this as it will add more unnecessary drama. In short, as a group, we felt that your attitude towards us was a detrimental effect that we did not appreciate. I also don't contest that I had my share of conflicts in the past. However, the ultimate reason was not "Craton keeps being a dick" -- saying that much is disingenuous. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1170 Posts
On January 27 2011 16:15 Craton wrote: This wasn't an argument over how to moderate a thread; I'm not sure where you got that idea? From the IRC log, apparently. Anyway, since the admins and such are getting involved; good luck resolving this, I'll tune in whenever you're streaming. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1170 Posts
On January 27 2011 16:28 Kiante wrote: Ever since craton lost access there has been heaps of proleague games with no streams for at least the first few games. Regardless of the reasons, this is hurting the broodwar community. it'd be really great if the Kpopflash people could white list an IP who would reliably stream, just like craton was, because right now there is a hole in the community's streaming needs that isn't being filled It's a bit tough since there's money involved (in paying for the GOMTV account), and since it's a lot of effort to stream, it's easier said than done. (At least from what I'm reading) Agree with everything else though. Hopefully they can sort something out I guess? | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
In terms of the conflict itself, rather than hearing from Craton or the administration of KPF, I'm most interested in hearing from some mods - especially those who focus on SC2 forums. Why? There's likely huge bias on both sides here. I find it difficult to believe that both sides have the same set of evidence/facts AND the same interpretations of those facts. I want to see a take from someone who is emotionally invested in neither KPF nor the BW streams. That being said, and noting that I myself am supportive of Craton's stream, the OP is pretty damning (although I will reserve judgment for a mod take and Roffles' post later on) EDIT: On January 27 2011 16:07 Megaliskuu wrote: Way to quickstriker it craton :/ way too premature a judgment IMO, unless you have something to add EDIT 2: On January 27 2011 16:39 lokiM wrote: LOL, this is hilarious.. I love how you only post a part of only 1 of the many conversations You just take shit way too seriously, and to prove it your post only further proves you're a huge dick. KPF GANG > You yeah this is actually starting to resemble the QuickStriker situation a lot actually, I can see where Megalisk is coming from... even if he didn't intend it this way | ||
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TelecoM
United States10710 Posts
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
You just take shit way too seriously, and to prove it your post only further indicates that you're a huge dick. | ||
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