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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 26 2011 07:17 GMT
#1
Sooo. volume 8

First time for some background

I got a 4.2 in school.
Parents raged
We went to monterey so I couldn't prepare for school


But last week in an argument with my parents they spitefully said if I had a 4.8 1/4 of the way through next semester they would shut the hell up. They will do it, and they think I have no chance. What a bunch of trusting people.

Today I had very little in class: being the first day of a new semester all I had to do was print something, write two paragraphs, and do two math problems. SO I talked to a couple friends, revised a opsition paper, looked at tl, watched the state of the union, studuied some math. It was like 10:30, so I jump on tl to check my posts and then go to bed and then...

"When are you going to go to bed?"
I dunno, maybe 10 minutes?
So 15 minutes later and I"m still not in bed. Should I have gone to sleep. Probably. Would that mean I would get 9 hours of sleep. Yeah

Dad comes out and yells about me not going to bed and lieing toh im

Mom then comes out

They start yelling about sleep, and how I should go to bed earlier and read before I go to bed, and how it's a shitty start to getting good grades blah blah blah.

Essentially I need over 8.5 hours of sleep :/

Then she said I had no chance at getting those grades.

Sure it's not exciting this time around, but I felt like I needed to vent :/

**
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
January 26 2011 07:19 GMT
#2
Are you asian?
j2choe
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada243 Posts
January 26 2011 07:21 GMT
#3
Exactly what I was thinking.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 26 2011 07:21 GMT
#4
I bet you can't wait for college eh? Sorry to hear about your insane parents man, just keep it real.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Shaman.us
Profile Joined May 2010
United States319 Posts
January 26 2011 07:21 GMT
#5
You don't need me to tell you that that is some insane bullshit man.

But if you do, that's some insane bullshit
Shaman.233
WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
January 26 2011 07:21 GMT
#6
Can someone explain to me this 4.2score? Sorry, I don't have anything like that in Australia, so its mildly confusing. Whats the score out of? 5? and what does the score represent, marks on a test? or overall marks of the semester.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 26 2011 07:23 GMT
#7
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 26 2011 07:23 GMT
#8
lol it's part 8 and people are still asking if hes asian XD.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
January 26 2011 07:23 GMT
#9
Your parents care but they need to fucking chill. They obviously want to instill good habits in you so that you'll have a good chance at a great life, so I hope you understand that. You need to explain to them wholeheartedly that yelling at you doesn't actually help their case. Do your best, get the grades you need to get, and do it your way man. If you can achieve that, you'll be ready for life on your own and hopefully they'll be able to see that. Just hang in there man.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 26 2011 07:27 GMT
#10
Yeah. They don't think they're yelling. They think theyr'e "getting their point across"
ToFu.
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
331 Posts
January 26 2011 07:28 GMT
#11
wow grade inflation much in school systems now much?

back in my day it only went up to 4.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 26 2011 07:29 GMT
#12
On January 26 2011 16:28 ToFu. wrote:
wow grade inflation much in school systems now much?

back in my day it only went up to 4.

Yeah. And my school isn't the worst...
Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
January 26 2011 07:30 GMT
#13
Lol wtf? No offense but your parents sound like some of the worst parents ever...you are maintaining "decent" grades and they won't even let you do what you want to do....
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 26 2011 07:30 GMT
#14
On January 26 2011 16:30 Trowabarton756 wrote:
Lol wtf? No offense but your parents sound like some of the worst parents ever...you are maintaining "decent" grades and they won't even let you do what you want to do....

No offense taken.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
January 26 2011 07:31 GMT
#15
Fuckk you have it worse than most asian kids. Do they beat you by any chance? I can't really go and read the rest of your blogs because I'm procrastinating on something right now ><. I'm feel sorry for you. But the bright side is that they are pushing you to succeed and getting these grades will be good in the end so as misanthrope said, hang in there
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WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
January 26 2011 07:34 GMT
#16
On January 26 2011 16:23 Froadac wrote:
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white


So I am guessing that a score of 4.2 is actually very good?
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
January 26 2011 07:43 GMT
#17
what are the odds you get a 4.8?
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Waffles
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Romania605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 07:59:33
January 26 2011 07:55 GMT
#18
Honestly, seeing as how your mom had to "supervise" you during the fucking LAN, i found it pretty ridiculous. At some point you should tell her that she wont be able to watch you in college and you need to learn how to work on your own without them pressuring you. You should be able to go anywhere with just them knowing where you are. They dont need to chaperone everywhere you go. I am a high school senior and considering you are a Junior, you should have similar freedoms. Your mom seemed to talk to you in a very condescending tone and I think she needs to change that.This is a 4.2 out of what scale? That is a very high GPA for most colleges if 4.0 scale. If you have decent extracurriculars and test scores you will definitely have a good pick in college already. You live in california, you with a 4.2 you WILL go to college. I think you need to be honest to her and tell her that you need some freedom.


About sleep, deal with it, I have gone with less than 30 hours of sleep in a week. Its something you will have to deal with later in life, job, college and high school.

Not to judge or anything, but you do seem a little short for your age maybe that might be why your mom is so insecure about you. shes scared of you getting picked on? :O

I dont know, but you should convince your parents that when the next LAN comes, they have already seen what happens there and they shouldnt worry about it and maybe you can stay the whole time, by yourself.
Abductedonut
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States324 Posts
January 26 2011 08:02 GMT
#19
You know, I wouldn't really take my advice because I have a HUGE problem with illusionary power ( which is exactly what your parents have) but I'd hit them hard with a reality check if I were in your position.

I'm not the type of guy to not understand that your parents are trying to help, I'm sure they are but they seriously need a reality check. They need to fully understand the importance of school and success in general. And so do you.

Grades really aren't that important. They're really not. I'm sorry, you won't understand this at your age ( you're what, 10th, 11th grade? ) because that's all you've been exposed to but there is a WHOLE other world out there. Your parents are teaching you the textbook (literally...) style of going through life.

Do well in school, get into a good university, get a good job, find a nice wife, marry, have kids, teach your kids the same thing.

Here's the thing about success/greatness: it doesn't come from a textbook. It doesn't come from getting A's in high school.

Take a look at some of the richest men in our society. Why are they so rich? It's because they've contributed greatly to society. Why are majority of them school drop-outs? Because school is bullshit.

Grades don't matter. I'm sorry, they don't matter. All a grade says about somebody is their ability to replicate information on paper.

True success comes from seeing the beauty in what school teaches. You're probably in pre-calc right? True success comes to people who take a look at partial fraction decomposition and say to themselves "holy shit, I can split up fractions like this?" True success comes to people who have the capacity and insanity to apply what they've learned from a textbook to something that changes people's lives.

THAT is why you go to school. So you find that passion and love for whatever subject blows your hair back. Your parents, like most, probably don't understand that. True success doesn't come from being forced replicate information on paper to the point that you're pissing your pants when you get a 93.

Open your eyes, take a look around, and put school into perspective. Only then will you be able to tolerate your parent's bullshit and their groping pressure to plunge you into a life of mediocrity.
Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
January 26 2011 08:02 GMT
#20
On January 26 2011 16:34 WarChimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 16:23 Froadac wrote:
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white


So I am guessing that a score of 4.2 is actually very good?


A 4.2 is ridiculously good
"IF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE KNOWN. THEN YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN ANYTHINIG YET." - Rev Kojo Smith
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
January 26 2011 08:08 GMT
#21
On January 26 2011 17:02 Gatsbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 16:34 WarChimp wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:23 Froadac wrote:
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white


So I am guessing that a score of 4.2 is actually very good?


A 4.2 is ridiculously good

with 5 weighted classes

i feel you OP i'm messing up
feel better, new semester ^^
fuck chem
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
January 26 2011 08:08 GMT
#22
I'm guessing your parents are the type that would be really mad at you because you got a B+ on a blood test.
zyvox
Profile Joined June 2010
United States32 Posts
January 26 2011 08:15 GMT
#23
sorry man, things were like that for me in high school too. hopefully you make tons of money after college and they can shut up. Or you don't answer their calls.

i wish you were asian so you could appreciate this:
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Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
January 26 2011 08:20 GMT
#24
Eh, my parents were like that all through high school too, I even got about the same GPA / 5s on all my AP tests. They were mostly just pissed because I could get the straight A's/4.8/whatever the best grade possible was, but I didn't care enough to do the busywork to actually earn the grade. They did always say they wouldn't bug me if I actually got the grades, and even followed through on it when I went to college (where I actually cared, too) and did great. I just ignored their rantings in the meantime, but I will admit it was nice to shut up them up when they saw my first semester's grades. But only if it's worth it to you.
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KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
January 26 2011 08:57 GMT
#25
Once you get into university, things will settle down. If your lucky and you get and maintain good grades, you can try transferring to a better University. I don't know much about the US system but over here in Melbourne, they don't care much about your high school grades once you finish a year of University studies.
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Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
January 26 2011 09:10 GMT
#26
they want you to be A+sian
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
January 26 2011 09:16 GMT
#27
I went back and read alot of your blogs, all I can say is keep on going man, soon you'll be of to college and free from the oppression!
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FlashIsHigh
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States474 Posts
January 26 2011 10:17 GMT
#28
Soon enough you will be on your own and not have to worry about your parents hassling you
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Tony Campolo
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand364 Posts
January 26 2011 10:48 GMT
#29
Young man - are you a MAN?

Then rage against the machine. Rebel against your parents. Start smoking marijuana. Hang out with the wrong crowd. Swear like fuck around the house and do violent shit like break things. Once you've scared the shit out of them, then they will start to treat you with some RESPECT. Make your parents cry over how their son is going to be in prison one day and worry until they have serious health issues.

It's called the gap rule - if a really good person is generally seen as well to do, but then fuck up in a small way, then everyone condemns him. If on the other hand some delinquent homeless faggot does one tiny act of unexpected kindness, the whole community praises him like some fucking saint. Set your expectations low, so your achievements will shine.
While you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition.
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
January 26 2011 10:57 GMT
#30
I went through the same shit as you, if not worse. And too bad for me but since starting university - it has toned down alot to a tolerable level. Just hold on a little longer :D and GL
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
January 26 2011 11:06 GMT
#31
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24753 Posts
January 26 2011 11:18 GMT
#32
Sleep is different for everyone... some need more than others etc.

In your experience how much sleep do you need in order to not feel tired the next day? It's probably not over 8.5 hours of sleep as you've implied. You might want to discuss this with your parents and refer them to some doctors/books regarding this :3
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
January 26 2011 11:34 GMT
#33
My school used to go to 11.

jokes aside, from a parents perspective, you should talk. It's hard to get started talking, but just talk about expectations, effort, their ideas, your perspective.

I think it will be a struggle for me, but I'd like to have a very clear understanding between me and my children about school and performance and effort. And such. (it's already slipping X-) my oldest one just doesn't like to talk into detail but that will come with age perhaps)

your parents may be very different from me, of course......
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SpaceTurtle
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia44 Posts
January 26 2011 11:58 GMT
#34
Not sure how the grades work, but as I guess as long as you try your best and your parents realise that you actually tried, then I guess they have no choice but to shut up, even if you didn't get the grades they want. However, if you didn't actually try your absolute best and still don't get the grades, then you can't really blame them for giving you pressure.

As I said, I really have no clue how your grading system works, but if 4.2 is like 90 out of 100, then maybe your parents are over reacting a bit.

Anyways, all the best to you, and good luck!
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Ation
Profile Joined July 2008
Finland102 Posts
January 26 2011 12:10 GMT
#35
One thing I can say for 100% sure.

Happiness doesn't come from school grades. A lot of people work their ass off, just to get their ass handed to them time after time. Sometimes stuff like this is really thankless work. For example, your parents pushing you around about this... makes you quite pissed off at the very people who you could also be very thankful and happy about.

You need to realise what is important in life. For me, I love my family and my soon-to-be-wife. It brings me incredible amounts of joy to be able to say "whatever happens in life, we are going to live happily, because we have each other". Instead of like... "shitshitshiiiit, need better grades or else I'm fucked for life because I become nobodyyy".

Question:
If you hit number 5.0 in your grades, do you think you would "win the game"?

PS. This is just viewpoint of life. Some people are more greedy about things and want to be ambitious aiming high and things like that. I never really understood what exactly are they looking for in life because for me, love is the most fulfilling feeling of all. And when it's real, it lasts forever.

PPS. "You just lost THE GAME!"


PPPS. I'm not trying to encourage you to throw off your studies. Sometimes you just gotta work hard to become "free to do what you truly want". It's the rule of this world.
qwaykee
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway266 Posts
January 26 2011 12:48 GMT
#36
i love reading about your misery
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
January 26 2011 13:12 GMT
#37
How old are you OP? You ever sit down with the rents and tell them frankly that you have a problem with how they treat you? Explain you are grateful for their concern but you need some serious slack. If it turns into a big argument so be it. Sometimes there's nothing for it but to draw a line in the sand and say 'Fuck this, this is what I want to do right now so this is what I am going to do'. Worst they can do is kick you out; sometimes it's worth it.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
January 26 2011 13:45 GMT
#38
tough it out, indulge them, get the grades they want, go to Princetown/Columbia/Harvard/NYU/MIT/UNC/Duke or any very good uni on the east coast. LOL at them from 2000 miles away
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Bungle
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada59 Posts
January 26 2011 14:07 GMT
#39
Sorry that your parents are getting you down, but that sort of thing was fairly normal when I was growing up. Honestly, at the ripe old age of 30, I look at the younger generation and see nothing but a bunch of self serving assholes who feel that they are owed something from society - merely for existing.

This is what happens when we start giving trophies out for last place and trying the approach of reasoning with young children when they act out. I miss the days when you could beat the fear of god into your kids if they were acting like idiots (ok, I certainly don't condone child beating, but a spanking never hurts).

Even Blizzard has catered to these idiots:

1) WoW went from a game where if you had more than 4-5 epic items, you were the man. Now every fucking herp who can afk for hours in a bg can get a purple. Yaaayyyy

2) SC2 ladder. Absolutely no point in giving a shit if you're #1 ranked in the Rancho Grande division. Let's make it even worse by breaking it up into 6 different leagues on top of it. I liked it better in bw (in the early days when ladder mattered) that if your ass wasn't top 1000, your name wasn't showing up on the list.

I think it sucks to have your parents drag on you, but what they're trying to instill on you is work ethic. It is something that is severely lacking amongst the youth I see today, and I think it will set you head and shoulders above the rest of your peers when it matters most (ie getting a fucking job).

Nobody gets something for nothing.

Rant over, everyone move along.
=]
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
January 26 2011 14:16 GMT
#40
I love how in every single one of these threads one of the first questions asked is if you're Asian XD
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Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
January 26 2011 14:19 GMT
#41
I haven't read the previous posts so I'm going to ask whether your Asian or not LOL
Nothing unusual for me though. I'm Asian. Not that every Asian kid experiences this~ most maybe.
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
January 26 2011 14:21 GMT
#42
First thing I thought was he's probably asian =D

Second thing I thought was my parents didn't care at all and in retrospect that sucks
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
January 26 2011 14:58 GMT
#43
My initial response was violently against your parents. But at least they aren't drunkenly beating you up and your father didn't rape you when you were a kid, which puts them above a few hundred million parents around the world. Still though, they aren't great, I think your best option is to grit it out, because they have the money at the end of the day, and there's going to be a lot of upheaval if you try to take matters into your own hands. And if you are writing this sort of a blog, it doesn't sound to me like you are a total independent bad-ass, so I don't expect you would enjoy trying to fend for yourself.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 15:11:30
January 26 2011 15:07 GMT
#44
On January 26 2011 16:55 Waffles wrote:
Honestly, seeing as how your mom had to "supervise" you during the fucking LAN, i found it pretty ridiculous. At some point you should tell her that she wont be able to watch you in college and you need to learn how to work on your own without them pressuring you. You should be able to go anywhere with just them knowing where you are. They dont need to chaperone everywhere you go. I am a high school senior and considering you are a Junior, you should have similar freedoms. Your mom seemed to talk to you in a very condescending tone and I think she needs to change that.This is a 4.2 out of what scale? That is a very high GPA for most colleges if 4.0 scale. If you have decent extracurriculars and test scores you will definitely have a good pick in college already. You live in california, you with a 4.2 you WILL go to college. I think you need to be honest to her and tell her that you need some freedom.


About sleep, deal with it, I have gone with less than 30 hours of sleep in a week. Its something you will have to deal with later in life, job, college and high school.

Not to judge or anything, but you do seem a little short for your age maybe that might be why your mom is so insecure about you. shes scared of you getting picked on? :O

I dont know, but you should convince your parents that when the next LAN comes, they have already seen what happens there and they shouldnt worry about it and maybe you can stay the whole time, by yourself.

Yeah, I'm short. But It's more about my medical issues. But stillllll, I"ve never had anthing bad happen with my medical issues, and I've gone to berkeley for model un etc etc.

I really need like 7:30-7:45 of sleep about.

My course of action is to deal with it. And then go to college somewhere good. And laugh (my mom DID go to UCLA and UCSF, but my dad only went to University of Idaho lolzers)
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
January 26 2011 15:44 GMT
#45
On January 27 2011 00:07 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 16:55 Waffles wrote:
Honestly, seeing as how your mom had to "supervise" you during the fucking LAN, i found it pretty ridiculous. At some point you should tell her that she wont be able to watch you in college and you need to learn how to work on your own without them pressuring you. You should be able to go anywhere with just them knowing where you are. They dont need to chaperone everywhere you go. I am a high school senior and considering you are a Junior, you should have similar freedoms. Your mom seemed to talk to you in a very condescending tone and I think she needs to change that.This is a 4.2 out of what scale? That is a very high GPA for most colleges if 4.0 scale. If you have decent extracurriculars and test scores you will definitely have a good pick in college already. You live in california, you with a 4.2 you WILL go to college. I think you need to be honest to her and tell her that you need some freedom.


About sleep, deal with it, I have gone with less than 30 hours of sleep in a week. Its something you will have to deal with later in life, job, college and high school.

Not to judge or anything, but you do seem a little short for your age maybe that might be why your mom is so insecure about you. shes scared of you getting picked on? :O

I dont know, but you should convince your parents that when the next LAN comes, they have already seen what happens there and they shouldnt worry about it and maybe you can stay the whole time, by yourself.

Yeah, I'm short. But It's more about my medical issues. But stillllll, I"ve never had anthing bad happen with my medical issues, and I've gone to berkeley for model un etc etc.

I really need like 7:30-7:45 of sleep about.

My course of action is to deal with it. And then go to college somewhere good. And laugh (my mom DID go to UCLA and UCSF, but my dad only went to University of Idaho lolzers)

Thing with these parents is that it doesn't matter where they went to school, haha. If they went to Y ale, then sure, they have more reason to yell at you. But them not going to Yale doesn't stop them. My mom graduated from some random university in Taiwan, and finished up at a community college around where I lived. My dad went to about 5 universities, only graduating from two of them. But that doesn't stop them from expecting me to go to HYPS, MIT, CIT, etc. etc.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 26 2011 15:49 GMT
#46
Yeah, it's sort of ironic, even though it doesn't matter.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
January 26 2011 16:54 GMT
#47
On January 26 2011 23:07 Bungle wrote:
Sorry that your parents are getting you down, but that sort of thing was fairly normal when I was growing up. Honestly, at the ripe old age of 30, I look at the younger generation and see nothing but a bunch of self serving assholes who feel that they are owed something from society - merely for existing.

This is what happens when we start giving trophies out for last place and trying the approach of reasoning with young children when they act out. I miss the days when you could beat the fear of god into your kids if they were acting like idiots (ok, I certainly don't condone child beating, but a spanking never hurts).

Even Blizzard has catered to these idiots:

1) WoW went from a game where if you had more than 4-5 epic items, you were the man. Now every fucking herp who can afk for hours in a bg can get a purple. Yaaayyyy

2) SC2 ladder. Absolutely no point in giving a shit if you're #1 ranked in the Rancho Grande division. Let's make it even worse by breaking it up into 6 different leagues on top of it. I liked it better in bw (in the early days when ladder mattered) that if your ass wasn't top 1000, your name wasn't showing up on the list.

I think it sucks to have your parents drag on you, but what they're trying to instill on you is work ethic. It is something that is severely lacking amongst the youth I see today, and I think it will set you head and shoulders above the rest of your peers when it matters most (ie getting a fucking job).

Nobody gets something for nothing.

Rant over, everyone move along.


I guarantee you that's how every generation feels about their successors. Remember when you were a teenager, that relative/teacher/crazy old man in the street who'd tell you how easy you had it, how kids had no respect, how in his day blah blah blah? Well congratulations on becoming that man.
Besides, I don't think OP's real problem is that his parents push him to work hard, it's that they're hugely over controlling. At least that's my reading, and it's definitely not going to help him later in life.
I've already said OP needs to stand up to them if he hasn't already, because they sound pretty over bearing and it ain't healthy.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
January 26 2011 17:14 GMT
#48
On January 26 2011 16:28 ToFu. wrote:
wow grade inflation much in school systems now much?

back in my day it only went up to 4.


Some classes, like APs, are weighted in schools that choose to do so (my school didn't T.T). Don't diss those classes, they are truly harder than the normal, high-school level newb classes.

And yeah your parents' parenting method is bullshit.
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Bungle
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada59 Posts
January 26 2011 17:47 GMT
#49
On January 27 2011 01:54 The KY wrote:
I guarantee you that's how every generation feels about their successors. Remember when you were a teenager, that relative/teacher/crazy old man in the street who'd tell you how easy you had it, how kids had no respect, how in his day blah blah blah? Well congratulations on becoming that man.
Besides, I don't think OP's real problem is that his parents push him to work hard, it's that they're hugely over controlling. At least that's my reading, and it's definitely not going to help him later in life.
I've already said OP needs to stand up to them if he hasn't already, because they sound pretty over bearing and it ain't healthy.

Get offfff myyyyy lawwwnnnn!!! lol

I don't put much value in what the generations before me complain about either, if anything we should be suing them for pissing off the muslim world, shitting all over the environment all while expecting us to support them comfortably into retirement (at least in the US - which is where I now work and pay into social security). Jackasses.

To a point you're correct, however there is validity to what I'm saying. In the last 10-15 years the standards and practices of the 'acceptable' way to raise and discipline a child have changed a lot.

Maybe this isn't the case as much in the UK, but in North America, these 'worst place' trophy receivers who's parents sat them down and asked them why they were upset instead of smacking them in the head and saying smarten up, are now starting to make up the majority of the young work force. There are exceptions, but hiring anyone under the age of 25 is a huge gamble at this point.

Anyways, related:



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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
January 26 2011 21:53 GMT
#50
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yesplz
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States295 Posts
January 26 2011 21:55 GMT
#51
Tell them you will have much better success in life if you split your time between getting grades and leadership positions in extracurricular activities because a good grade alone will not get you anywhere in life these days.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 26 2011 23:45 GMT
#52
On January 27 2011 06:55 yesplz wrote:
Tell them you will have much better success in life if you split your time between getting grades and leadership positions in extracurricular activities because a good grade alone will not get you anywhere in life these days.

Highly likely I'll be presidento f MUN next year, and VP of Acadec.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27159 Posts
January 26 2011 23:49 GMT
#53
Want me to call your parents for you?
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27159 Posts
January 26 2011 23:49 GMT
#54
In fact maybe this is a service I could provide to all TL members. Dispute resolution from Manifesto7.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 27 2011 00:03 GMT
#55
On January 27 2011 08:49 Manifesto7 wrote:
Want me to call your parents for you?

Probably not lolol. They think if you're from tl your'e trash
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27159 Posts
January 27 2011 00:20 GMT
#56
I can email them my resume first.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 27 2011 00:22 GMT
#57
On January 27 2011 09:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
I can email them my resume first.

What would this include? And what would you say lol.
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
January 27 2011 00:23 GMT
#58
Parents are just strict because they want their kids to be these amazing beings they couldn't be themselves for the most part. To bad they don't realize that pushing to hard hurts more often than it helps.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 02:03:53
January 27 2011 01:00 GMT
#59
Any ideas on how to keep internet past 11? The router is turning off then.

And what were you going to say manifesto?
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
January 27 2011 02:42 GMT
#60
Its your parents opinion that you need 8.5 hours of sleep. In reality, there are people full of energy off of 4-6 hours of sleep. Hell, there are people who probably operate just fine on less that I don't even know about.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 27 2011 02:48 GMT
#61
On January 27 2011 11:42 tryummm wrote:
Its your parents opinion that you need 8.5 hours of sleep. In reality, there are people full of energy off of 4-6 hours of sleep. Hell, there are people who probably operate just fine on less that I don't even know about.

The truth means nothing
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 27 2011 07:20 GMT
#62
Still am curious of your intentions Mani
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
January 27 2011 07:54 GMT
#63
On January 27 2011 09:22 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 09:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
I can email them my resume first.

What would this include? And what would you say lol.


His name is Trevor, what else does he have to fuckin say.
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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
January 27 2011 17:37 GMT
#64
On January 27 2011 11:48 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 11:42 tryummm wrote:
Its your parents opinion that you need 8.5 hours of sleep. In reality, there are people full of energy off of 4-6 hours of sleep. Hell, there are people who probably operate just fine on less that I don't even know about.

The truth means nothing


I'm pretty sure it's not opinion, and the recommended amount of 'deep' sleep is 8 hours 45 minutes. Read it in a sciencey article that was making the case that lack of sleep is the biggest contributor to low grades and to make school days start at 10am.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 27 2011 23:28 GMT
#65
On January 28 2011 02:37 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 11:48 Froadac wrote:
On January 27 2011 11:42 tryummm wrote:
Its your parents opinion that you need 8.5 hours of sleep. In reality, there are people full of energy off of 4-6 hours of sleep. Hell, there are people who probably operate just fine on less that I don't even know about.

The truth means nothing


I'm pretty sure it's not opinion, and the recommended amount of 'deep' sleep is 8 hours 45 minutes. Read it in a sciencey article that was making the case that lack of sleep is the biggest contributor to low grades and to make school days start at 10am.

Yeah, true. I get 8+ hours most of the time anyways. Mom's doctor just told her to get less sleep, because he thinks its' slowing her metabolism.
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 00:00:00
January 27 2011 23:57 GMT
#66
On January 26 2011 17:02 Gatsbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 16:34 WarChimp wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:23 Froadac wrote:
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white


So I am guessing that a score of 4.2 is actually very good?


A 4.2 is ridiculously good

Depends what grade OP is in. I had a 4.2...sophmore year? Finished high school with 6.0.
You really should tell your parents to chill the fuck out. Do you at least argue back?

What grade are you in though?

The amount of sleep needed varies GREATLY between people. Some people need 9 or 8 and some can go as little as 6 or less (very rare though). It seems like your parents read way too much BS on "how to raise your child."
Can't help but feel like this ties in to that ridiculous thread about why chinese mother are superior bs
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 27 2011 23:59 GMT
#67
On January 28 2011 08:57 heroyi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 17:02 Gatsbi wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:34 WarChimp wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:23 Froadac wrote:
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white


So I am guessing that a score of 4.2 is actually very good?


A 4.2 is ridiculously good

Depends what grade OP is in. I had a 4.2...sophmore year? Finished high school with 6.0.
You really should tell your parents to chill the fuck out. Do you at least argue back?

What grade are you in though?

Um, are you sure you're talking about GPA? I don't know of any system with a scale over 5.0.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 28 2011 00:04 GMT
#68
I am going for 5.0, didn't do that great, but it's not hte end of the world. Still doing way better than the average tard
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 00:14:23
January 28 2011 00:08 GMT
#69
On January 28 2011 08:59 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 08:57 heroyi wrote:
On January 26 2011 17:02 Gatsbi wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:34 WarChimp wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:23 Froadac wrote:
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white


So I am guessing that a score of 4.2 is actually very good?


A 4.2 is ridiculously good

Depends what grade OP is in. I had a 4.2...sophmore year? Finished high school with 6.0.
You really should tell your parents to chill the fuck out. Do you at least argue back?

What grade are you in though?

Um, are you sure you're talking about GPA? I don't know of any system with a scale over 5.0.

If you take enough AP and honor then yes, you can go over 5.

The highest recorded in my district was an 8.0...or maybe a 9?
Highest in my school was 7.0. Some Japanese guy, when I was a freshman, who got a full ride to Yale. Some nerdy white, named Alex?, had near a 7 I think and got into MIT with some scholarship. He was a really bright guy from what I heard.
My val and sal hovered around 6.5
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Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
January 28 2011 00:20 GMT
#70
On January 28 2011 09:08 heroyi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 08:59 rabidch wrote:
On January 28 2011 08:57 heroyi wrote:
On January 26 2011 17:02 Gatsbi wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:34 WarChimp wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:23 Froadac wrote:
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white


So I am guessing that a score of 4.2 is actually very good?


A 4.2 is ridiculously good

Depends what grade OP is in. I had a 4.2...sophmore year? Finished high school with 6.0.
You really should tell your parents to chill the fuck out. Do you at least argue back?

What grade are you in though?

Um, are you sure you're talking about GPA? I don't know of any system with a scale over 5.0.

If you take enough AP and honor then yes, you can go over 5.

The highest recorded in my district was an 8.0...or maybe a 9?
Highest in my school was 7.0. Some Japanese guy, when I was a freshman, who got a full ride to Yale. Some nerdy white, named Alex?, had near a 7 I think and got into MIT with some scholarship. He was a really bright guy from what I heard.
My val and sal hovered around 6.5


wtf are you talking about? are you SURE your school didn't just have some kind of weird grading system? I've never heard of anything above 5.0. AP class gives you a 5 for an A, 4 for a B, etc etc. The AMOUNT of AP classes you take shouldn't matter as long as you take 100% AP classes the maximum would still be 5.0 whether you took 10 AP classes or 8 AP classes (as long as none of you classes were non-AP).
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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
January 28 2011 00:41 GMT
#71
On January 28 2011 09:20 Gatsbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 09:08 heroyi wrote:
On January 28 2011 08:59 rabidch wrote:
On January 28 2011 08:57 heroyi wrote:
On January 26 2011 17:02 Gatsbi wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:34 WarChimp wrote:
On January 26 2011 16:23 Froadac wrote:
Well, it's out of 4. 5s are As in college classes.

It's overall amrks.

i'm white


So I am guessing that a score of 4.2 is actually very good?


A 4.2 is ridiculously good

Depends what grade OP is in. I had a 4.2...sophmore year? Finished high school with 6.0.
You really should tell your parents to chill the fuck out. Do you at least argue back?

What grade are you in though?

Um, are you sure you're talking about GPA? I don't know of any system with a scale over 5.0.

If you take enough AP and honor then yes, you can go over 5.

The highest recorded in my district was an 8.0...or maybe a 9?
Highest in my school was 7.0. Some Japanese guy, when I was a freshman, who got a full ride to Yale. Some nerdy white, named Alex?, had near a 7 I think and got into MIT with some scholarship. He was a really bright guy from what I heard.
My val and sal hovered around 6.5


wtf are you talking about? are you SURE your school didn't just have some kind of weird grading system? I've never heard of anything above 5.0. AP class gives you a 5 for an A, 4 for a B, etc etc. The AMOUNT of AP classes you take shouldn't matter as long as you take 100% AP classes the maximum would still be 5.0 whether you took 10 AP classes or 8 AP classes (as long as none of you classes were non-AP).

I don't understand what is so hard...I feel like I am not on the same page...
No we don't have a wierd system...I don't think. This is how it works in my state at least...

A=4
B=3
C=2
D=1
honor class bonus: .04 (i think)
AP class bonus: .08 (Again I think).

Those are my OVERALL GPA. Is that the misunderstanding here? All the numbers that you quoted me on are overall, the GPA which they graduated out of
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 28 2011 00:48 GMT
#72
Similar here. So your GPAs added up to 6?
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 00:53:10
January 28 2011 00:51 GMT
#73
On January 28 2011 09:48 Froadac wrote:
Similar here. So your GPAs added up to 6?

Graduating WEIGHTED overall GPA: 6.2~

You can go ahead and tell your parents I said to fuck off XD
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Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 00:56:49
January 28 2011 00:55 GMT
#74
Wait...I've never heard of those bonuses o__o

If you took all 30 AP classes, you would still end up with a 6.4...to get an 8.0 that guy would have had to have taken 40 honors classes on top of 30 AP classes (assuming you have a 4.0 GPA + 0.04x + 0.08y, where x is honors and y is AP)...right?
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Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
January 28 2011 00:58 GMT
#75
Yeah, i've never heard of "bonuses" besides counting an A as a 5, B as a 4, etc. Guess it's different in different schools.
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Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
January 28 2011 00:58 GMT
#76
On January 27 2011 16:54 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 09:22 Froadac wrote:
On January 27 2011 09:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
I can email them my resume first.

What would this include? And what would you say lol.


His name is Trevor, what else does he have to fuckin say.


Holy fuck, didn't know this. My respect for Mani just went up by 2 points.
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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 01:00:19
January 28 2011 00:59 GMT
#77
On January 28 2011 09:55 Z3kk wrote:
Wait...I've never heard of those bonuses o__o

If you took all 30 AP classes, you would still end up with a 6.4...to get an 8.0 that guy would have had to have taken 40 honors classes on top of 30 AP classes (assuming you have a 4.0 GPA + 0.04x + 0.08y, where x is honors and y is AP)...right?

Well yes he would have to taken honor classes. Obviously to break the 4.5 or 5 mark you can't take any regular, or what we call boom-boom classes.
The bonuses might not be right...it could be.04/.06. I can't remember exactly

so OP what are..fresh or soph
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 28 2011 01:10 GMT
#78
Oh, just overweighted bullshit.

I'm Junior, but it's a totally different system.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 01:16:11
January 28 2011 01:15 GMT
#79
However, what blows my mind is the fact that to get an 8.0, one must take not only Japanese/French/German/Spanish/Latin/Eng Lang&Lit but also other fields differing extremely widely (Bio/Physics/Chem/Art/various history classes), and--at the same time--multiple honors classes. Can we even fit in that many? One would have to take >90% of all classes outside of school or something... Even a 6.2 GPA would require an obscene number of classes outside of school.

Our GPA is also only determined by soph/junior(maybe senior 1st sem?) GPA, and I have >4.5 with three boom-boom classes because we use the 5=A in ap/honors, rest correspond to descending whole numbers.

Edit: ninja'd...yeah just weird overweighted stuff o__o
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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
January 28 2011 01:18 GMT
#80
On January 28 2011 10:10 Froadac wrote:
Oh, just overweighted bullshit.

I'm Junior, but it's a totally different system.

Ahhhhhh...

Well they should get off of you when you are a senior. Senior year doesn't really matter for the college. Colleges look heavily at the fresh to junior year. The only thing you have to worry about the Senior year is keeping your place and rank. Chances are you won't go up and pass someone up a rank on your senior year. Obviously don't fail senior year else the colleges you were accepted to may drop you, although I rarely hear/see that happen.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 28 2011 01:19 GMT
#81
On January 28 2011 10:15 Z3kk wrote:
However, what blows my mind is the fact that to get an 8.0, one must take not only Japanese/French/German/Spanish/Latin/Eng Lang&Lit but also other fields differing extremely widely (Bio/Physics/Chem/Art/various history classes), and--at the same time--multiple honors classes. Can we even fit in that many? One would have to take >90% of all classes outside of school or something... Even a 6.2 GPA would require an obscene number of classes outside of school.

Our GPA is also only determined by soph/junior(maybe senior 1st sem?) GPA, and I have >4.5 with three boom-boom classes because we use the 5=A in ap/honors, rest correspond to descending whole numbers.

Edit: ninja'd...yeah just weird overweighted stuff o__o

Because you want to go to MIT lolz.

I don't so I don't need an absurd GPA

Still will get aboue 4.3 cumulative, which isn't half bad.
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 01:26:59
January 28 2011 01:21 GMT
#82
On January 28 2011 10:15 Z3kk wrote:
However, what blows my mind is the fact that to get an 8.0, one must take not only Japanese/French/German/Spanish/Latin/Eng Lang&Lit but also other fields differing extremely widely (Bio/Physics/Chem/Art/various history classes), and--at the same time--multiple honors classes. Can we even fit in that many? One would have to take >90% of all classes outside of school or something... Even a 6.2 GPA would require an obscene number of classes outside of school.

Our GPA is also only determined by soph/junior(maybe senior 1st sem?) GPA, and I have >4.5 with three boom-boom classes because we use the 5=A in ap/honors, rest correspond to descending whole numbers.

Edit: ninja'd...yeah just weird overweighted stuff o__o

Well your mind being blown is credible lol. Mine was too.
In order for that Japanese guy to make it to that level he had to take online course with night schooling and took almost every ap/honor courses available. The person with the highest gpa in district did like everything I think...can't remember the article too well.

You can look up online if you wish. It is in Tampa and she went to either Blake or Hillsborough High school.

edit: huh...never heard of ap A being a 5?
To Frodac: honestly no colleges look at just GPA. As long as you have a decent gpa and some good extracurricular activities (having leader position would be nice) then you can remain surprisingly competitive in the pool. Shit I was treasurer of NHS uncontested and my bio teacher (who liked me) made up the sergeant at arms for the science honors club lol. Having connections with colleges can make you really competitive. I know two vegetables who got in cause of alumni and SOLELY of alumni status :/
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 28 2011 01:30 GMT
#83
Lol. I'm going to try to be on NHS board if I get in lol.

If not I'll be pres/vice pres for the two largest academic clubs on campus.
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
January 28 2011 01:35 GMT
#84
you should be able to get into a decent college with that.
What school are you interested in?
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 28 2011 01:37 GMT
#85
UCs/USC

I'll apply to better schools, but i'd be content with ucsb etc.
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
January 28 2011 01:42 GMT
#86
You probably should try better schools lol.

idk if I should say this however I do know some people who did get into colleges by lying about the club positions they "held." I am assuming that colleges do not check these...but again I wouldn't advise this lmao
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 28 2011 01:51 GMT
#87
lmao.

I will hold these positions because everyone in my class is busy studying, so there are like 3 juniors in all clubs. And I've been in for 3 years. and am successful. And organized
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
January 28 2011 02:07 GMT
#88
Yeah I have no extracurriculars because I just don't know what to do... ;__;

It's not like I waste my life pursuing as high as possible GPA, as very few hours overall are spent studying/doing homework (most is spent mindlessly browsing Internet--literally can't even list what I've done after getting off the comp...maybe it's a full-blown addiction T.T)...just no idea what to do...also sort of too late because half-way through soph year, so unless I can do some amazing stuff I'll probably just be stuck with solid/"easy" UC but little to no chance of any place important.....

Your extracurriculars pwn and your GPA is still solid, plus you could write about your experience being in the hospital for so long with an amazing essay or something, as it does sort of apply and it can also be a moving piece of work T-T
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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
January 28 2011 02:10 GMT
#89
On January 28 2011 11:07 Z3kk wrote:
Yeah I have no extracurriculars because I just don't know what to do... ;__;

It's not like I waste my life pursuing as high as possible GPA, as very few hours overall are spent studying/doing homework (most is spent mindlessly browsing Internet--literally can't even list what I've done after getting off the comp...maybe it's a full-blown addiction T.T)...just no idea what to do...also sort of too late because half-way through soph year, so unless I can do some amazing stuff I'll probably just be stuck with solid/"easy" UC but little to no chance of any place important.....

Your extracurriculars pwn and your GPA is still solid, plus you could write about your experience being in the hospital for so long with an amazing essay or something, as it does sort of apply and it can also be a moving piece of work T-T

well I didnt get into any of my positions till junior year lol...actually it might have been first semester of senior year. Its never too late to join clubs. Just join w.e. Academic clubs are a plus (but you usually get an invitation or must meet the GPA requirement). And just join random clubs and hope they don't have enough members that show up for the election liike I lmao
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