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So, Im thinking of making a map(Or a mod) with, well, imbalances.
Not map imbalances, oh no. Unit imbalances. I'm going to go around, and pick out my favorite fake changes in peoples "My Dream Patch" patchnotes, and add them in...and hopefully the result will be a map with all 3 races being equally overpowered.
But I was wondering if I could have some input?(Wasn't sure this would be alright to put into the Map making forums). What map should I put it on, that would be balanced? If I put it on a ICCup map would I need permission(I've never used anyone elses work...regardless I'd give credit where it's due)?
Also, post some changes you would like to see! They can be anything the would be relatively reasonable(No making Ultras take only Spawning Pool, and 5 minerals X_x)
 
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Calgary25980 Posts
So let me get this straight: Your goal is to make all units wildly imbalanced enough that all races are equally imbalanced? How can 3 things all be "equally overpowered"? Am I reading this right?
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herp derp. Should be worth a laugh, maybe.
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LOL, good luck with that! I suggest ultra sized lings with splash.
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On January 22 2011 01:21 Chill wrote:
So let me get this straight: Your goal is to make all units wildly imbalanced enough that all races are equally imbalanced? How can 3 things all be "equally overpowered"? Am I reading this right?
Yes. o.o
Hydras riding on roaches, when they both are attacking at the same time and going as fast as speedlings is somewhat balanced by carriers shooting out void rays.
IT CAN WORK I TELLS YA!
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On January 22 2011 01:23 Seam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 01:21 Chill wrote:
So let me get this straight: Your goal is to make all units wildly imbalanced enough that all races are equally imbalanced? How can 3 things all be "equally overpowered"? Am I reading this right? Yes. o.o Hydras riding on roaches, when they both are attacking at the same time and going as fast as speedlings is somewhat balanced by carriers shooting out void rays.IT CAN WORK I TELLS YA!
I like the way you think sir.
edit: siege tanks that can patrol micro while sieged like vultures could in bw and that shoot psi storms
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On January 22 2011 01:41 Ramsing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 01:23 Seam wrote:On January 22 2011 01:21 Chill wrote:
So let me get this straight: Your goal is to make all units wildly imbalanced enough that all races are equally imbalanced? How can 3 things all be "equally overpowered"? Am I reading this right? Yes. o.o Hydras riding on roaches, when they both are attacking at the same time and going as fast as speedlings is somewhat balanced by carriers shooting out void rays.IT CAN WORK I TELLS YA! I like the way you think sir. edit: siege tanks that can patrol micro while sieged like vultures could in bw and that shoot psi storms
Hmm, I think I'm definitely going to try that.
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Double all units' health and damage.
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Finally some jumping cows, yaaaayyy
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On January 22 2011 01:21 Chill wrote:
So let me get this straight: Your goal is to make all units wildly imbalanced enough that all races are equally imbalanced? How can 3 things all be "equally overpowered"? Am I reading this right?
Because the word imbalanced is mis-used really badly.
For example, this chess position is a position from the english attack against the najdorf:
![[image loading]](http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jw/two%20on%20English%20Attack%201%20Wat.jpeg)
White typically castles queenside and attacks the black king on the king side and black castles kingside and attacks the white king on the queen's side. Black's attack tends to be piece focused and white's attack tends to be pawn focused. These are all imbalances in the position, but the imbalances mostly cancel each other out and the player who best exploits the imbalances that favor him and negates the imbalances against him will have a better chance of winning the game.
edit: hopefully fixed image
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On January 22 2011 01:21 Chill wrote:
So let me get this straight: Your goal is to make all units wildly imbalanced enough that all races are equally imbalanced? How can 3 things all be "equally overpowered"? Am I reading this right?
Isn't this exactly how BW was balanced?
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What about how everyone says banshees are flying dts with cloak? why not actual flying dts with cloak? The first melee air unit, haha. And what about phoenixes with mass graviton beam?
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Hyrule19050 Posts
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Marauders obviously need to shoot air units and give them the healing abillity^^
Thors need cliffwalk abillity and huge defensive shields
let tankshots open small vortex
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Zerg burrow should upgrade every zerg unit to burrow+move
make infested terran suicide bomber like in bw
Broodlords and ultralisk needs the transport abillity where every other unit can sit on their back and will be protected by the HP of the main unit
P:
Colossus and immortal permanent cloack^^
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Equally overpowered/imbalanced is an oxymoron. It's self-contradictory.
What you're actually trying to do is... mod the game, yes?
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On January 22 2011 03:23 mizU wrote:
Equally overpowered/imbalanced is an oxymoron. It's self-contradictory.
What you're actually trying to do is... mod the game, yes?
Don't be a fun killer....
But yes.
BTW, SCVs are replaced with Mini-thors.
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On January 22 2011 03:27 Seam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 03:23 mizU wrote:
Equally overpowered/imbalanced is an oxymoron. It's self-contradictory.
What you're actually trying to do is... mod the game, yes? Don't be a fun killer.... But yes. BTW, SCVs are replaced with Mini-thors.
MINI THORS?
Oh. K.
Worth it.
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![[image loading]](http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5050/bigscvcopy.jpg)
This, but in SC2.
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On January 22 2011 03:44 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 03:27 Seam wrote:On January 22 2011 03:23 mizU wrote:
Equally overpowered/imbalanced is an oxymoron. It's self-contradictory.
What you're actually trying to do is... mod the game, yes? Don't be a fun killer.... But yes. BTW, SCVs are replaced with Mini-thors. MINI THORS? Oh. K. Worth it.
![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/nboznp.jpg)
Still working on the size, and changing the name and such, but yeah. It will also do 10 damage(5+5)..since you know, full thor damage is a bit too much.
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Mini-Thors as harvesters is pretty cool! Keep up the good work.
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Reapers/Colossus can now walk over impassable terrain again.
Double overlord/overseer sight range.
Double overlord/overseer move speed (base and upgraded)
Can upgrade to orbital commands and planetary fortresses as well.
Can use orbital command upgrades while flying.
All terran buildings can lift up now. (excluding refineries)
All zerg buildings can uproot now. (excluding extractors)
Protoss can warp in to anywhere they have vision.
Stalkers get charge.
Zealots get blink.
Double hydralisk movement speed.
Double zerg creep movement bonus.
Workers can stack 3 to a mineral patch at a time.
All mineral patches bring back 7 minerals now.
Hatchery build time reduced.
Tank range increased.
Colossus range upgrade removed, range improved to 10.
Queens can fly now, but still move the same speed.
Hatcheries can produce queens twice as fast (reactor)
Tech reactor.
You can stack cannons on buildings now.
:D
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Hyrule19050 Posts
Also, make everything slightly more realistic, ie: everything is relative in size (BC >>>>>>> CC), tanks can shoot anywhere there's vision, lasers have infinite range (again, vision thing). Bring back lockdown and dark swarm.
And why not have Refineries liftable and Extractors uprootable? Empty Geyser? Move!
Give units with lots of kills buffs, after all, they clearly know what they are doing.
Give SCVs afterburners.
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Bring back Phase Cannons. Also, give every Protoss building the Phase ability.
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Give every unit cliff walking.
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On January 22 2011 05:44 tofucake wrote:
Give units with lots of kills buffs, after all, they clearly know what they are doing.
Yes. Put the Rank of each unit to good use!
also:
-Nukes can be called down at any point with vision (seriously, wtfalready??? Everything else is more technologically advanced, but really, no missiles? WE'VE HAD CRUISE MISSILES SINCE WWII!!)
- Nukes can be shot down (or early detonated :D)
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I've done this before.
Just keep buffing random things.
Here's some ideas:
- chronoboost can target units (50% speed up)
- no mothership limit
- terran gets units/upgrades from campaign (including scvless gyser)
- merc compound available
- overlords drop a creep tumor when they die
- some units can be upgraded to have lower collision radius (closer units = better dps)
etc
gl
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