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I don't see why this is such a big deal to you, and trying to be a martyr like this will just lead to harsher punishment. There's no reason for you to respond to their warn, bottom line is this isn't your site, they determine what you get warned, and banned for.
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I'm not trying to martyr myself. I just want some common courtesy.
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Hey I'm not a mod but I reported your post so maybe I can contribute!
"Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity."
I don't think it's "snide" that got you warned. Maybe it's that you managed to talk down to them both directly and indirectly in a two line post.
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On January 19 2011 10:52 huameng wrote:
Hey I'm not a mod but I reported your post so maybe I can contribute!
"Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity."
I don't think it's "snide" that got you warned. Maybe it's that you managed to talk down to them both directly and indirectly in a two line post.
Was about to post this exact thing.
Reference post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=185632¤tpage=4#76 (for anyone interested).
edit: Sure they were being sarcastic but you didn't need to be so aggressive and call out their "stupidity" along with the link justifying your point. Besides, it's just a warning.. no need to raise a fuss about it.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
For reference:
Simple concept: less gun control, less gun related crime. It doesn't have to make sense to you and you don't have to like it but facts are facts.
Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity.
I am really quite shocked as to how you could think these were quality posts.
In my (admittedly short) tenure here, I've found that these things in general lead to warnings:
- Making useless posts
- Terrible argumentation to the point of absurdity (you really have to work hard to do this!)
- Snippy arrogance
- Unwarranted name-calling
Experts may disagree, but it seems that you manage to accomplish all of the above in two posts.
Hint: If you're going to insult someone even obliquely, make damn sure that your argument showing he/she deserves the insult is unassailable. This generally takes more than two poorly composed sentences.
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If you have a question about the moderating team, I suggest you take it up with them. I don't know what you'd achieve by making a blog about it that couldn't me done more quietly and with less drama if you'd simply PM someone.
Also, calling someone's comment snide and calling people immature and stupid are two completely different things. I don't have any sympathy for you.
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Looking at reference post linked above ^^
You and the 'facts are facts' guy deserve warning, the other guy doesn't. You don't argue by saying "You're an idiot so don't talk scrub kthxbye."
Side note: I personally wouldn't respect a post like "you don't have to like it, but facts are facts" if you didn't link some of your facts either. I just wouldn't be a twit about it.
You deserved your warning, and probably will get another (or maybe even a temp ban) for this. Enjoy killer. ^^
A comparsion I would use for this kinda situation...
Multiple people were speeding, you got pulled over. Do you quiet up and take the ticket, or argue with the cop on why he didn't pull everyone over?
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On January 19 2011 10:52 huameng wrote:
Hey I'm not a mod but I reported your post so maybe I can contribute!
"Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity."
I don't think it's "snide" that got you warned. Maybe it's that you managed to talk down to them both directly and indirectly in a two line post.
And you didn't deem the prior posts to be relevant to the subject matter?
"But did they take into account that facts are facts?"
--Not relevant to the discussion. Can be interpreted as a snide comment. Its spam, certainly, but why does his not warrant a warning just because he didn't directly call me "stupid" or refer to me being "stupid"?
And its not that I'm butt hurt about the issue. I'm cool with a warning and I understand their purpose but I would like to know who warned me so I can articulate a proper response without the need for this publicly. I just want a little fairness when it comes to warning someone.
But I'll drop it. Its not worth the time or effort I suppose.
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Baseless condescension.
Now you are just calling out for attention.
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Best...blog...ever.
You got warned for a poor reply. Take responsibility for it and don't worry if other people are getting warned or not.
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for reference, the post that he was warned for:
On January 19 2011 08:41 reg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 08:28 Romantic wrote:
Reg says it, so it is true?
Oh how I love thee, internet.
A quick Google showed numerous studies from Yale etc explicitly challenging the idea. Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 08:35 11cc wrote:
But did they take into account that facts are facts? http://www.opposingviews.com/i/busting-the-gun-control-equals-less-crime-mythPerhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity. User was warned for this post
other people's stupidity doesn't give you a license to bust out the insults, that's why we have a 500 page automated ban list, the mods will get to them soon enough, unless you make them seem civil in comparison to your own posting.
don't fight, ignore the idiots and they will go away (or be removed)
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You're oversimplifying your post by attempting to boil it down to one insult, "snide." On top of derailing the thread, you were a condescending dick who used more than just one insult. Your warning was justified. This wasn't a ban, so I see no reason to be upset over what happened to you.
As far as the other posters are concerned, one of the rules of the site is to not backseat moderate. This means not making blogs calling out other posters in an effort to get them warned or banned. If you really feel wronged by it, this isn't the proper channel to find resolution. Website feedback, reporting the post, and PMing an admin are all much more acceptable than some shit blog.
All of those would probably still lead to you worsening your punishment though since you're wasting everybody's time with this trash.
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This blog is a little bit hilarious. I "like" your entitlement stance. And you had to make a blog about it to attract attention.
I read the thread and I did agree that a warning was warranted because of your condescending post.
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On January 19 2011 10:58 reg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 10:52 huameng wrote:
Hey I'm not a mod but I reported your post so maybe I can contribute!
"Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity."
I don't think it's "snide" that got you warned. Maybe it's that you managed to talk down to them both directly and indirectly in a two line post. And you didn't deem the prior posts to be relevant to the subject matter? "But did they take into account that facts are facts?" --Not relevant to the discussion. Can be interpreted as a snide comment. Its spam, certainly, but why does his not warrant a warning just because he didn't directly call me "stupid" or refer to me being "stupid"? And its not that I'm butt hurt about the issue. I'm cool with a warning and I understand their purpose but I would like to know who warned me so I can articulate a proper response without the need for this publicly. I just want a little fairness when it comes to warning someone. But I'll drop it. Its not worth the time or effort I suppose.
Yeah, that post was shitty too, but do you really think you can post a very controversial claim without any evidence, say "you don't have to like it, but facts are facts" and not get any flack for it? Come on. If you just put the source in your first post none of the ensuing shitposting would've happened.
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Think about it this way. If you said what you posted to somebody in person, would you be called a douche? If so, it's likely why you were warned.
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Oh shi-! No getting out of this one. Quick look over there! Panda! Pandas! Panda!
User was temp banned for this post.
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I am just wondering, Did you decide to make this blog to get warned/banned by the mods or to get attention?
Your post obviously warranted a warn and i personally think this deserves a 1 day temp ban. But that is just I
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On January 19 2011 11:11 reg wrote:Oh shi-! No getting out of this one. Quick look over there! Panda! Pandas! Panda!
all is forgiven
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Poll: What's gonna happen to reg ya think?Warning 2: The sequel (12) 38% Temp ban: because you just can't find good bans these days... (10) 31% Blog closed, that's it... (5) 16% Public argument involving mods. (3) 9% Nothing... (2) 6% 32 total votes Your vote: What's gonna happen to reg ya think? (Vote): Nothing...
(Vote): Blog closed, that's it...
(Vote): Warning 2: The sequel
(Vote): Temp ban: because you just can't find good bans these days...
(Vote): Public argument involving mods.
Hehe, I'ma keep tabs on this one ^^ Gonna be fun.
edit: search page 1 for the conclusion to this exciting story
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On January 19 2011 11:11 reg wrote:Oh shi-! No getting out of this one. Quick look over there! Panda! Pandas! Panda!
Did you expect TL to rally behind you in an uprising against our cruel mods?
Hint: We like the website. We dislike people who trash it.
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On January 19 2011 11:15 NathanSC wrote:Did you expect TL to rally behind you in an uprising against our cruel mods? Hint: We like the website. We dislike people who trash it.
No. I just thought the mod who warned me would respond. I didn't think I'd get all this attention. To the post before yours I'm feeling a temp ban coming as soon as the mods see it. Pretty safe bet. Vegas is going wild on the spread.
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See, from everything I'm seeing in this thread, we could title it "reg: The Intervention" (always assuming, reg, that posting improves  ) and keep it around as evidence that sometimes, occasionally, TL users are helpful enough that mods aren't necessary.
Or we could have a temp ban issued on principle. I guess neither one would surprise me.
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voted warning 2, not because reg has warranted it yet (im[non-moderating]o) because i can see this spiraling out of control and getting ugly.
just needs a little more martyr and he's gone.
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Next time you should PM a mod about any questions or concerns about a warning. Making a thread (even in blogs) will not get you anywhere.
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United States10328 Posts
On January 19 2011 11:15 NathanSC wrote:Did you expect TL to rally behind you in an uprising against our cruel mods? Hint: We like the website. We dislike people who trash it.
HOWEVER I think we like pandas
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On January 19 2011 11:19 reg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 11:15 NathanSC wrote:On January 19 2011 11:11 reg wrote:Oh shi-! No getting out of this one. Quick look over there! Panda! Pandas! Panda! Did you expect TL to rally behind you in an uprising against our cruel mods? Hint: We like the website. We dislike people who trash it. No. I just thought the mod who warned me would respond. I didn't think I'd get all this attention. To the post before yours I'm feeling a temp ban coming as soon as the mods see it. Pretty safe bet. Vegas is going wild on the spread.
Also, you might have gotten away with it if you'd posted in the Feedback forums.
Here's a suggestion: edit the OP with some sort of repentance and promise to add more content to it. It just might be crazy enough to work.
Edit: Or not. 
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On January 19 2011 11:25 Slaughter wrote:
Next time you should PM a mod about any questions or concerns about a warning. Making a thread (even in blogs) will not get you anywhere.
Do this, pick a random mod, they can tell who issued the warning (if they even are allowed to do that)
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Nothing to see here, move along.
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Canada11349 Posts
On January 19 2011 11:19 reg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 11:15 NathanSC wrote:On January 19 2011 11:11 reg wrote:Oh shi-! No getting out of this one. Quick look over there! Panda! Pandas! Panda! Did you expect TL to rally behind you in an uprising against our cruel mods? Hint: We like the website. We dislike people who trash it. No. I just thought the mod who warned me would respond. I didn't think I'd get all this attention. To the post before yours I'm feeling a temp ban coming as soon as the mods see it. Pretty safe bet. Vegas is going wild on the spread.
Well every time you write this kind of stuff raises the probability of you being banned.
(edit) banned while I was typing this post. lol.
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On January 19 2011 11:33 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 11:19 reg wrote:On January 19 2011 11:15 NathanSC wrote:On January 19 2011 11:11 reg wrote:Oh shi-! No getting out of this one. Quick look over there! Panda! Pandas! Panda! Did you expect TL to rally behind you in an uprising against our cruel mods? Hint: We like the website. We dislike people who trash it. No. I just thought the mod who warned me would respond. I didn't think I'd get all this attention. To the post before yours I'm feeling a temp ban coming as soon as the mods see it. Pretty safe bet. Vegas is going wild on the spread. Well every time you write this kind of stuff raises the probability of you being banned.
Actually I think we're at 100% on these types of posts.
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United States24676 Posts
Voted for public argument involving mods.
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but.... but... he had pandas... did you click them? they were so CUTE!
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I love reading these kinds of blogs. It's fun to see when new posters complain about a warning or ban by trying to justify what they said. Also, funny ban =P
But yeah, when dealing with sarcasm, making aggressive and offensive statements aren't the best option (and to be fair, your statement was absolute and was kind of asking for some ridicule).
edit: should've thrown in some cute puppies. I hear cute puppies make everything better. :3
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I like pandas...?
Should have put in a kitty too.
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On January 19 2011 11:38 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
I like pandas...?
Should have put in a kitty too.
you are really all about cats huh... right down to the sig.
Edit: thankfully now that i know how this one turns out i can go to bed.
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fucking friends on my account -_- disregard this post, please.
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On January 19 2011 11:40 kerpal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 11:38 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
I like pandas...?
Should have put in a kitty too. you are really all about cats huh... right down to the sig. Edit: thankfully now that i know how this one turns out i can go to bed.
agreed, maybe a cat couldve avoided the mighty hammer, or pandabearguy instead of random pandas, ah i miss pandabearguy :'(
gg yo
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it would be asinine to give him a warning or temp ban him for making a blog discussing this matter. even if you all are die hard mods-do-no-wrong supporters, surely you could allow someone to vent or question authority publicly. yes, TL is a privately-owned site with its own set of rules, but let's not silence anyone who discussing something that feel is unwarranted (while keeping it civil, of course), whether they were right or wrong in the first place.
while i have no comment on the post in question, i do think mods in general can be a bit overzealous sometimes. and as a mod of another website that has around the same amount of members as TL, i can tell you that mods are not infallible.
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Austin10831 Posts
When you get warned for the tone of your posts, you probably shouldn't make a "call out" blog with a line like Christ TL, think please. Pretty simple stuff.
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Another example I would user to respond to the poster 3 posts above, aka GG_NO_RE.
You got pulled over, and got a ticket. You feel you have been done wrong. Question the ticket in private like a responsible person, or hit the streets, make a ruckus, and probably have no good come from it.
There's a difference between questioning authority in a good way (maybe a "Hey, this is what happened, I dont get why I was banned, what do you guys think so I can avoid the mistake in the future, if a mistake was made") compared to what reg did ("Yo, who warned me, I would like to have polite words with you. Here's half the story, and not the important half, respond and I'll fester up some more drama")
There's a right way to do things, and a wrong way. Question what happened, but not in a way that makes other people look shitty for no really good reason.
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On January 19 2011 11:49 GG_NO_RE wrote:
it would be asinine to give him a warning or temp ban him for making a blog discussing this matter. even if you all are die hard mods-do-no-wrong supporters, surely you could allow someone to vent or question authority publicly. yes, TL is a privately-owned site with its own set of rules, but let's not silence anyone who discussing something that feel is unwarranted (while keeping it civil, of course), whether they were right or wrong in the first place.
while i have no comment on the post in question, i do think mods in general can be a bit overzealous sometimes. and as a mod of another website that has around the same amount of members as TL, i can tell you that mods are not infallible.
There are many other venues which Reg could have taken to voice his discontent. The venue he chose was a particularly bad one.
No one gives a shit about someone getting a warning for being condescending. When that same someone makes a thread dedicated to either a.) complaining about being warned for a legitimate reason or b.) attempting to get punishment for other users, known as backseat moderating, the original poster clearly did not understand that he had already been warned, and he therefore needs a harsher punishment.
Also, making a blog on TeamLiquid to moderate it in a poor fashion is clearly a bannable offense. There's absolutely nothing "asinine" about it. There's a website feedback forum on TeamLiquid, and you can also PM moderators. So if the mods did do some wrong, those would be the proper venues to remedy the situation.
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On January 19 2011 11:59 SaetZero wrote:
Another example I would user to respond to the poster 3 posts above, aka GG_NO_RE.
You got pulled over, and got a ticket. You feel you have been done wrong. Question the ticket in private like a responsible person, or hit the streets, make a ruckus, and probably have no good come from it.
There's a difference between questioning authority in a good way (maybe a "Hey, this is what happened, I dont get why I was banned, what do you guys think so I can avoid the mistake in the future, if a mistake was made") compared to what reg did ("Yo, who warned me, I would like to have polite words with you. Here's half the story, and not the important half, respond and I'll fester up some more drama")
There's a right way to do things, and a wrong way. Question what happened, but not in a way that makes other people look shitty for no really good reason.
that's fair enough. i was more referring to the act of questioning mods in general. but yes, the tone is relevant.
On January 19 2011 12:25 NathanSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 11:49 GG_NO_RE wrote:
it would be asinine to give him a warning or temp ban him for making a blog discussing this matter. even if you all are die hard mods-do-no-wrong supporters, surely you could allow someone to vent or question authority publicly. yes, TL is a privately-owned site with its own set of rules, but let's not silence anyone who discussing something that feel is unwarranted (while keeping it civil, of course), whether they were right or wrong in the first place.
while i have no comment on the post in question, i do think mods in general can be a bit overzealous sometimes. and as a mod of another website that has around the same amount of members as TL, i can tell you that mods are not infallible. There are many other venues which Reg could have taken to voice his discontent. The venue he chose was a particularly bad one. No one gives a shit about someone getting a warning for being condescending. When that same someone makes a thread dedicated to either a.) complaining about being warned for a legitimate reason or b.) attempting to get punishment for other users, known as backseat moderating, the original poster clearly did not understand that he had already been warned, and he therefore needs a harsher punishment. Also, making a blog on TeamLiquid to moderate it in a poor fashion is clearly a bannable offense. There's absolutely nothing "asinine" about it. There's a website feedback forum on TeamLiquid, and you can also PM moderators. So if the mods did do some wrong, those would be the proper venues to remedy the situation.
i disagree that this was a bad venue if he wanted to be able to discuss this with other users. conversely, a private message to the mods would be just that: private/not discussed publicly. perhaps the tone was poor or something, but i don't think making a TL blog to discuss the issue is a bad venue in principle.
i'm not sure on 'backseat modding' as you call it, either. if there was a principle or rule that is not applied fairly, i don't see why this can't be discussed publicly.
i also think the topic of blogs is wide-ranging; indeed anything can be blogged about. many blogs discuss starcraft, for example, and they need not necessarily have to be placed in a starcraft forum. blogs can be anything from discussing, to complaining, to informing, to anything. of course, the content is subject to moderation and the content must be non-offensive, but again i find nothign wrong in principle with someone questioning authority.
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On January 19 2011 13:08 GG_NO_RE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 11:59 SaetZero wrote:
Another example I would user to respond to the poster 3 posts above, aka GG_NO_RE.
You got pulled over, and got a ticket. You feel you have been done wrong. Question the ticket in private like a responsible person, or hit the streets, make a ruckus, and probably have no good come from it.
There's a difference between questioning authority in a good way (maybe a "Hey, this is what happened, I dont get why I was banned, what do you guys think so I can avoid the mistake in the future, if a mistake was made") compared to what reg did ("Yo, who warned me, I would like to have polite words with you. Here's half the story, and not the important half, respond and I'll fester up some more drama")
There's a right way to do things, and a wrong way. Question what happened, but not in a way that makes other people look shitty for no really good reason. that's fair enough. i was more referring to the act of questioning mods in general. but yes, the tone is relevant. Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 12:25 NathanSC wrote:On January 19 2011 11:49 GG_NO_RE wrote:
it would be asinine to give him a warning or temp ban him for making a blog discussing this matter. even if you all are die hard mods-do-no-wrong supporters, surely you could allow someone to vent or question authority publicly. yes, TL is a privately-owned site with its own set of rules, but let's not silence anyone who discussing something that feel is unwarranted (while keeping it civil, of course), whether they were right or wrong in the first place.
while i have no comment on the post in question, i do think mods in general can be a bit overzealous sometimes. and as a mod of another website that has around the same amount of members as TL, i can tell you that mods are not infallible. There are many other venues which Reg could have taken to voice his discontent. The venue he chose was a particularly bad one. No one gives a shit about someone getting a warning for being condescending. When that same someone makes a thread dedicated to either a.) complaining about being warned for a legitimate reason or b.) attempting to get punishment for other users, known as backseat moderating, the original poster clearly did not understand that he had already been warned, and he therefore needs a harsher punishment. Also, making a blog on TeamLiquid to moderate it in a poor fashion is clearly a bannable offense. There's absolutely nothing "asinine" about it. There's a website feedback forum on TeamLiquid, and you can also PM moderators. So if the mods did do some wrong, those would be the proper venues to remedy the situation. i disagree that this was a bad venue if he wanted to be able to discuss this with other users. conversely, a private message to the mods would be just that: private/not discussed publicly. perhaps the tone was poor or something, but i don't think making a TL blog to discuss the issue is a bad venue in principle. i'm not sure on 'backseat modding' as you call it, either. if there was a principle or rule that is not applied fairly, i don't see why this can't be discussed publicly. i also think the topic of blogs is wide-ranging; indeed anything can be blogged about. many blogs discuss starcraft, for example, and they need not necessarily have to be placed in a starcraft forum. blogs can be anything from discussing, to complaining, to informing, to anything. of course, the content is subject to moderation and the content must be non-offensive, but again i find nothign wrong in principle with someone questioning authority.
You do realize that he was not seeking a public discussion with other users, right? The blog is titled "hey mods," and the content of the blog was directed to mods. This was clearly not TL blog material. This isn't livejournal, this isn't Facebook, this isn't 4chan.
Furthermore, empirical evidence (i.e. Reg is now banned) leads to the conclusion that this was a bad venue.
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**spits soda all over his monitor**
a hahahahahahahaha well done, well done.
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I'm an advocate of owning guns, but the way you did it was purely ignorant and doesn't get anywhere with anyone. It's understandable why people are afraid of guns. After all, they are USUALLY intended on killing or hurting something/someone. Obviously, their fears are misplaced. But going around going "fact is fact" and insulting other people isn't going to do anything to help the cause. To be honest, every time I see someone doing this, I feel ashamed because I have to be identified with this persona.
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