I disagree. With the (relatively) recent addition of the banlings and the increased moderation, I think TL has improved drastically since the announcement of SC2 and the beta. I agree with Chef's premise that there never was a utopia-like TL where every post was of 'high quality.' While it's true that there are more posters (and thus more bad posters), the moderators/admins/banlings are still doing an excellent job of keeping out the crap, and we now have even more good posters.

I don't really think that there's a basis for calling the TL community of today worse than it was in the past. There's an incredible amount of fan-generated content, from all of the recent fanart to the incredible resources like liquipedia. While there probably are fewer articles (one of the best article guys, plexa, is now busier helping make this forum better as a whole and I think some of the others have gone inactive), I'd say that the TL community is still flourishing and is active, both in BW (for example, superfans such as Daniel) and SC2 (all of the active fanclubs and the acts of fandom that appear every day)

Hikko

United States1126 Posts

January 16 2011 21:45 GMT

#22

You're having nostalgic memories of a time that never existed. The quality of the forum overall has increased with the recent addition of more moderators, and the strategy forum has stayed about the same.

Read the old strategy threads from 2004, most of them are even more trashy than today's SC2 threads...

Punic

United States152 Posts

January 16 2011 21:55 GMT

#23

Look, you need to understand that I am NOT saying that long ago during the heart of BW awful posts / trolling etc did not exist. What I am saying is that some of the new generation of starcraft players have not been apart of a forum with such educated (im not sure if this is the right word i wanna use right here but it felt right when it typed it) users. There is obviously many more well thought out and cleanly written articles than other gaming forums (IMO). We need to maintain the high caliber of threads and discussions.

Maintain and promote quality.

Hikko

United States1126 Posts

January 16 2011 22:15 GMT

#24

On January 17 2011 06:55 Punic wrote:
Look, you need to understand that I am NOT saying that long ago during the heart of BW awful posts / trolling etc did not exist. What I am saying is that some of the new generation of starcraft players have not been apart of a forum with such educated (im not sure if this is the right word i wanna use right here but it felt right when it typed it) users. There is obviously many more well thought out and cleanly written articles than other gaming forums (IMO). We need to maintain the high caliber of threads and discussions.

Maintain and promote quality.

...so what is your complaint, then?

The moderation staff is doing a great job, and I believe that the quality of these forums is much better than it was in the past. If your complaint is about the quality of the forum, I would say that you are entirely wrong. The first pages of the General forum are entirely composed of 1-liner original posts with a bunch of 1-liner replies, many of which are off topic (arguing over Nexuses vs Nexii, etc.). Today, a thread like this would be closed immediately, and the OP would probably be warned.

If your complaint is that there are too many new people around who do not appreciate what it is to be a part of the forum, I'm not sure what you feel would be an adequate 'solution'. Does every user who logs on to these forums need to take a 3 credit hour course on "The History of Team Liquid' " or something? I think that, over time (by reading and posting), you gain more and more respect for your peers and understanding for what is going on.

I think that your belief that most people don't read the 10 commandments is entirely the opposite. Few people violate them, and if they do, it's usually just slightly/in a fit of passion about whatever subject they are supporting/arguing in favor of. I don't see too many memes posted; I don't see tons of "+1" posts, or posts IN ALL CAPS in every thread. I don't see spam posts in every thread, and most people respect people with bagillions of posts/moderators. I can count on my hands the number of times I've seen entire posts in languages aside from English on this forum, and most people either enjoy themselves or just stop posting.***

(***these are, of course, with the exception of LR threads, which have always been the bane of humanity since their inception. I feel like they're a grandfathered in as the exception to most of the rules of TL.)

Punic

United States152 Posts

January 16 2011 22:45 GMT

#25

Yes the mods are doing a good job. Yes there are people putting out good content.

Do people post in forums that do not warrant discussion?
Yes.
Do people "contribute" to threads with no real content?
Yes.

We should be able to police ourselves. Wishful thinking, I know, yes, but why not? We are the biggest and longest lasting gaming community out there. So why not?

This is not a complaint blog. This is trying to encourage all members of team liquid to become better, which everyone can do. Things will not get better by you or me hoping they will. They will get better through the actions of other forum users. Doing the right thing is not always having to add something to a forum. It is the act of NOT putting something in the thread. Sometimes the greatest action is no action.

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please please please do not confuse this with a complaint blog. this is trying to reinforce the great community that is TL and we can grow it and mature it into something greater as time goes on but only with the help of the community wanting it to be

DyEnasTy

United States3714 Posts

January 16 2011 23:21 GMT

#26

I think right before SC2 beta was announced and all the new people started joining, the posting quality was superb. Then it took a nosedive with so much BM especially with new posters against progamers, or higher posters, particularly in the SC2 forums. Now I think its getting better, the "GSL popularity" thread lasted alot longer than I thought it would until it eventually deteriorated (incorrect spelling im sure) and was closed. So, ya its getting better.

Ive been trolling this site forever, but was too scared to post cause I thought id get banned. So I only posted on iccup forums, and basically just visited here for everything sc and not sc related

ThatsNoMoon

Mexico344 Posts

January 16 2011 23:27 GMT

#27

This is hardly a shocking revelation to anybody that has been using message boards since 56k.
Communities start growing and create their own little niche until it overflows and it starts to dilute into something it was not.

You can't stop it, however, you CAN do your best and put your own effort into keeping the community as tight and as good as it was.

Do I see more trash posts? Yeah, but I also see more good ones and theres no denying that the admins and mods of TL do an excellent job to make the trash disappear.

Mudkars

6 Posts

January 17 2011 21:59 GMT

#28

On January 17 2011 03:08 Punic wrote:
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Only you can prevent forum fires http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=185052 (please lets keep this garbage out)

http://www.unrealbnet.com/thread.php?topicId=580

Another fire might be started, so be aware.

Those forums need to be DOS'ed let alone trolled.

Brett

Australia3820 Posts

January 17 2011 23:45 GMT

#29

Basically, I think there are just shit loads more people now.. So there's just more content in general, both good and bad. Back when I joined you just about knew every single poster... I don't remember which thread it was shown in, but there's a graph demonstrating the rise in users on this website and the exponential growth is rather obvious. It's less intimate now, sure, but it's still definitively "TL" and there's a looooooot more going. A good thing IMO.

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