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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
January 09 2011 03:26 GMT
#61
agree with Chef that he was trying to be a cool dude, but on the other hand I don't like what he did with the coach..
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 09 2011 03:54 GMT
#62
On January 09 2011 08:40 PH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 05:38 etheovermind wrote:
On January 09 2011 05:35 PanN wrote:
I was hoping he was in a jail somewhere =(

do you really hate him that much for what he has done?

I do.

Yeah, considering that his defense was that he didn't actually participate in match fixing himself (and only introduced other players to the concept) it makes it look as if he knew it was wrong but got his fellow players involved anyways.

No sympathy at all, especially when he was already a star and making good money.

@Chef, when his claim that others asked him to do it is taken in isolation, perhaps one might believe it, but when combined with how he approached and reacted to the situation, I'm far more inclined to believe others' claims that he was the one who introduced the idea to players, rather than the other way around.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
January 09 2011 03:59 GMT
#63
Let's just bump this thread after five years? :p
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gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
January 09 2011 05:04 GMT
#64
etheovermind United States. January 09 2011 05:38
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 05:35 PanN wrote:
I was hoping he was in a jail somewhere =(


do you really hate him that much for what he has done?


actually, this might surprise some, but not everyone in korea knows saviour. starcraft is big but among a certain age group. still, being shamed in korea is a huge matter. im not sure if hes started community time, but if he does, im sure he'll be in some disguise, perhaps a beard and orange hair! LOL. im sure we wont hear from him for a long time
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 09 2011 05:26 GMT
#65
On January 09 2011 12:26 Licmyobelisk wrote:
agree with Chef that he was trying to be a cool dude, but on the other hand I don't like what he did with the coach..

Yeah, that's definitely very sad and painful to read. I think everyone has low points in their life where they do completely shameful things... the difference is Ma Jae-yoons was publicized. It's the type of thing that would make a story interesting, but in reality is so hurtful. Savior is definitely a complicated person. You can't get that good at a game without real dedication, so it's not like he didn't know the meaning of work ethic... It's just that he wasn't the god capable of resisting all sin. Like I said, it's a story I'm interested in and wish there was more information on.
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blankspace
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States292 Posts
January 09 2011 05:45 GMT
#66
*sigh* I think after bisu he just lost his love of the game...as much of a savior fan I am I don't think he threw those games.

it's too bad savior couldn't try sc2, I'd liked to have seen him play it. Always had pretty godly game sense, just let his mechanics slip in later years.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 09 2011 06:13 GMT
#67
On January 09 2011 14:45 blankspace wrote:
...as much of a savior fan I am I don't think he threw those games.

Er, that just proves how much of a fan of him you are.
It's nearly undeniable he threw games. All evidence points to it. He's pretty damned guilty.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 15:12:29
January 09 2011 15:08 GMT
#68
On January 09 2011 15:13 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 14:45 blankspace wrote:
...as much of a savior fan I am I don't think he threw those games.

Er, that just proves how much of a fan of him you are.
It's nearly undeniable he threw games. All evidence points to it. He's pretty damned guilty.


There's actually not enough evidence that he threw games. He organized it so that other players threw their games, but there's little, if any, evidence he threw his own games.

Also with respect to what Savior is up to -- from what I've heard around on the internet he's studying english to study abroad or something
blankspace
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States292 Posts
January 09 2011 15:21 GMT
#69
I didn't mean he didn't throw any games, just the ones vs Bisu. Cuz if he did actually purposely go 0-3 that means he would've had a chance at winning if he had tried.
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JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
January 09 2011 16:25 GMT
#70
On January 09 2011 14:26 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 12:26 Licmyobelisk wrote:
agree with Chef that he was trying to be a cool dude, but on the other hand I don't like what he did with the coach..

Yeah, that's definitely very sad and painful to read. I think everyone has low points in their life where they do completely shameful things... the difference is Ma Jae-yoons was publicized. It's the type of thing that would make a story interesting, but in reality is so hurtful. Savior is definitely a complicated person. You can't get that good at a game without real dedication, so it's not like he didn't know the meaning of work ethic... It's just that he wasn't the god capable of resisting all sin. Like I said, it's a story I'm interested in and wish there was more information on.

That was something made up by a netizen. Not really a true account of what happened.

On January 10 2011 00:08 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 15:13 Comeh wrote:
On January 09 2011 14:45 blankspace wrote:
...as much of a savior fan I am I don't think he threw those games.

Er, that just proves how much of a fan of him you are.
It's nearly undeniable he threw games. All evidence points to it. He's pretty damned guilty.


There's actually not enough evidence that he threw games. He organized it so that other players threw their games, but there's little, if any, evidence he threw his own games.

Also with respect to what Savior is up to -- from what I've heard around on the internet he's studying english to study abroad or something

Come to Canada so we can study togetherrrrrrrrrrrr!
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BreatheDeep
Profile Joined February 2011
United States55 Posts
May 27 2011 03:50 GMT
#71
On January 10 2011 00:21 blankspace wrote:
I didn't mean he didn't throw any games, just the ones vs Bisu. Cuz if he did actually purposely go 0-3 that means he would've had a chance at winning if he had tried.


Rereading this thread and feeling really depressed, I come across someone who clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

Just made me feel even more depressed x_x
._.
blankspace
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States292 Posts
May 27 2011 04:16 GMT
#72
Uh what, I said that Savior definitely didn't throw the msl finals against bisu. Do you think that he did?
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Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
May 27 2011 04:32 GMT
#73
On May 27 2011 13:16 blankspace wrote:
Uh what, I said that Savior definitely didn't throw the msl finals against bisu. Do you think that he did?


To be fair, it was worded very confusingly.
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BreatheDeep
Profile Joined February 2011
United States55 Posts
May 27 2011 04:59 GMT
#74
Oh ok nvm, the grammar made me think that you thought that he threw those matches x_x

The awesome tl article made me remember how sad i was all over again and ive been watching his replays and stuff all over again .__.
._.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 27 2011 05:03 GMT
#75
how did you come to realize that someone quoted something you said 4 months ago??
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blankspace
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States292 Posts
May 27 2011 12:29 GMT
#76
Because after reading the savior fe article, I was browsing the blogs and saw that a mjy thread had come up. Curious, I went to the last page and saw the bump which explicitly quoted me.
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DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
October 26 2021 11:09 GMT
#77
It has been more than 10 years since saviour match fixing. Anyone knows about him nowadays?
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