EPT"I believed. I still believe. I will always believe."
It would probably be a spoiler since it would have been right after he won.........hypothetically....sigh.
He made me the SC fanatic that I am today. MJY T_T
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
"I believed. I still believe. I will always believe." It would probably be a spoiler since it would have been right after he won.........hypothetically....sigh. He made me the SC fanatic that I am today. MJY T_T | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:38 etheovermind wrote: do you really hate him that much for what he has done? I do. | ||
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
 sAviOr was the greatest zerg of all time.and the greates m****f**** of all players =P | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Man, it feels like it happened such a long time ago but the event was felt uniformly by community as perfect betrayal at the time. Very emotional. | ||
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
After his fall from grace here as a well-established bookie, nowadays he could probably only find employment under the new don Action as a mid-level enforcer. | ||
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yoonyoon
Korea (South)1065 Posts
I'd feel more sympathy for some of the other progamers, but not Savior. Like... how about Yellow? YellOw[ArnC] didn't throw a single match. He had denied the offer initially. It was found out that he had even told  Justin not to get him involved in something like this again. He put a sincere apology up. He still lost his license.Savior, on the other hand... He's the one who 'recommended' match-fixing to several other progamers. He denied everything at first, claiming that he had not directly approached any of the progamers but just casually suggested it and passed on information. He emphasized that he was not directly involved in the betting, which is why he got an extremely lenient punishment. Unlike the other progamers who had made one terrible mistake, he didn't put up an apology until two months later. He backstabbed his coach - the guy who trusted him until the end and ended up voluntarily resigning and quitting esports. This is the guy who used his own personal money to buy uniforms for his team, btw.+ Show Spoiler + Coach Cho Kyuu Nam: Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games. He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy? I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating. When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said. "Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me" Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this... So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest. ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal. Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures. Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors. When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting. Where is there any possibility of redemption here? | ||
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DeseaseR
46 Posts
I would be happy to know what is doing the Maestro right now, I will always support him <3! | ||
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DeseaseR
46 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:30 JIJIyO wrote: I'm not gonna lie. I was waiting for the day for him to win an OSL/MSL and bump this thread. "I believed. I still believe. I will always believe." It would probably be a spoiler since it would have been right after he won.........hypothetically....sigh. He made me the SC fanatic that I am today. MJY T_T I joined Teamliquid just last year but I visit it since 2007 I just used to lurk a lot but I knew the broodwar scene thanks to savior and naturally knew teamliquid by him. He was my inspiration for play broodwar and love it, just like the way I do it now. The most baller player of all time!! I wont never forget sAviOr, always in my heart MJY!! | ||
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semantics
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Redunzl
862 Posts
On January 09 2011 06:11 CanucksJC wrote: Probably being a baller somewhere... dealing drugs etc. don't forget the whoring | ||
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sharky246
1197 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:14 yoonyoon wrote: I'd feel more sympathy for some of the other progamers, but not Savior. Like... how about Yellow? YellOw[ArnC] didn't throw a single match. He had denied the offer initially. It was found out that he had even told Justin not to get him involved in something like this again. He put a sincere apology up. He still lost his license.Savior, on the other hand... He's the one who 'recommended' match-fixing to several other progamers. He denied everything at first, claiming that he had not directly approached any of the progamers but just casually suggested it and passed on information. He emphasized that he was not directly involved in the betting, which is why he got an extremely lenient punishment. Unlike the other progamers who had made one terrible mistake, he didn't put up an apology until two months later. He backstabbed his coach - the guy who trusted him until the end and ended up voluntarily resigning and quitting esports. This is the guy who used his own personal money to buy uniforms for his team, btw.+ Show Spoiler + Coach Cho Kyuu Nam: Savior plays well in practice, but he never performed when playing in actual games. He buys a lot of brand items nowadays, maybe his mental state isn't very healthy? I was thinking this when Investigators started investigating. When this happened, Savior went on his knees and said. "Coach, It's really not me. Please believe me" Savior who was already suffering from his lack of performance was also being swept by this... So I took him out of the roster, put him on a sick leave and told him to go home and rest. ON the internet, there are terrible people who are spreading rumors that Savior is the criminal. Those Fomos bastards even used Savior's silhouette on their pictures. Things died down when I told everyone that It is 100% not savior and that I will sue anyone who spreads rumors. When all of this is over, Savior will finally resurrect. Fighting. Where is there any possibility of redemption here? Koreans get butthurt for the slightest of things, i never ever really saw koreans forgiving people for breaking laws no matter how small. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:28 Balfazar wrote: Indeed, rich and famous but still wanted more, so tried to drag the sport that got him where he was down into the mud to get it. Truly deserving of sympathy. I think that's way over-simplification. Wasn't it found out that he was just a go between, not actually involved in rigging matches? Much more, players that were involved were begging him? After reading his interviews, I got the impression he had some kind of inferiority complex. He was always talking about how he wanted to be cool and especially in his interview with boxer, they both related to the nerd to famous impact on their lives. For a kid that age, hanging out in the wrong crowds might have seemed pretty cool. I mean how many people think it's cool that Rekrul plays poker with shady characters (though of course he does so for fun, not to take their money)? It seems to me Savior was a person desperate for approval, which fueled his desire to win, but also caused him to do things he really shouldn't. Of course he shouldn't have done it. Of course players shouldn't have asked him to do it. But dangerous people can be very influencing on one's behaviour... You get involved with that kind of stuff, it's hard to get out, just like Jackie Chan in Shinjuku Incident ^^ I 100% agree with his ban from playing in the leagues. I'm one of his biggest fans and I really liked him and was affected emotionally by his games. Seeing him slump was really depressing. Seeing him win one game or show good play in a game he lost really got me excited. He was a good player, and nobody can deny that. I think he wasn't a bad person, which could be debated. I think punishing him as a deterrent to future players who might think about it is also important. I'm not a Crim major so I don't know how effective deterrents are in a situation like this (I guess they're probably useless, given the deterrent of being shunned was already obvious), but to do nothing would have at very least been even worse for the image of eSports. However, I think only a few months later, we've forgiven the scene and people know this is just something all sports go thru at some point on their way to becoming something monstrously popular. edit: not to mention if anything caused his slump, don't you think it might have been guilt for what he'd done? Maybe, maybe not, but it's something that'd be really interesting to read about if it were the case  A sort of moral tale about how doing bad things destroys one from the inside before you're even caught. So yeah, don't be so simple minded. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:30 Invictus wrote: apparently hwasin managed to use his looks to get a modelling job. but he probably ain't as in deep shit as savior is in Wtf, how did hwasin of all people get a modeling job? I mean, i guess he might have a little resemblence to Lee jun ki, but hwasing looked more like a rat. I mean, I know he's in the military now, but how did he get a modeling job type thing before it? | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:59 Tazza wrote: Wtf, how did hwasin of all people get a modeling job? I mean, i guess he might have a little resemblence to Lee jun ki, but hwasing looked more like a rat. I mean, I know he's in the military now, but how did he get a modeling job type thing before it? Are you kidding? Hwasin is widely considered in Korea one of the most attractive progamers. Girls used to go CRAZY for him. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Haha, I feel sorry for the guy that he gets this much shit over entertainment. I can understand why he big wigs would be really pissed but the regular fans? Chill. It is just entertainment. But gawd...this thread made me watch all of his highlight videos and get chills all over seeing him organize the barbaric zerg in such a well coordinated manner and hearing all the cheers and seeing the large crowds. That was the Golden Age of Brood War for me :D | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:46 semantics wrote: There was nothing like being up at like 2 am watching a crappy quality p2p stream with classic intermissions playing american rock music where a guy has a scream. Quoted for truth. Streaming is taken for granted these days :p sAviOr forever. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:46 tomatriedes wrote: He should get plastic surgery, change his name, come back and dominate the GSL. He will DESTROY SC2  | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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