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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On December 20 2010 12:42 SCC-Faust wrote: You have no idea what you're talking about. dont i? Everyone is excited about sc2 because its new. I give it 1 year b4 people realize bw is a better game and stop caring about sc2 at all. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On December 20 2010 12:59 etheovermind wrote: dont i? Everyone is excited about sc2 because its new. I give it 1 year b4 people realize bw is a better game and stop caring about sc2 at all. Well, there will likely be a resurgence of interest even if it does start to die as each of the next two expansions come out. Not that I disagree that BW is the better game, I'm on board with that. But I think you are certainly wrong about SC2 being dead in a year | ||
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
On December 20 2010 10:38 moopie wrote: Depends on what you call making it big. You will never ever achieve the type of fame NaDa has, so if thats the goal best to give up on it early. If you have skill and a lot of time though, you can win some smaller tournaments and gain some e-fame, maybe stream and have a regular crowd. Don't go into SC/SC2 for the purpose of making a living on it (especially for a long period of time) because thats much easier said than done. For every person that puts in the hours and makes enough in a year to live off of, there are hundreds (if not more) that fail. In the long run, progaming is not really something you could keep doing till you're 40 anyway (Boxer-fame aside). Play the game for the sake of playing, enjoy it, maybe win some tourneys, get some fans. Beyond that don't go too crazy with the expectations. Do you really think BoxeR, NaDa and all the people who actually achieved what they did had this kind of mentality ? The reasons this kind of people shine above others is not only their talent, dedication, love for the game, how hard they practice etc etc, but also the huge factor that is self confidence, if you go into something telling to yourself that you'll never get there anyway, then yes you will never get there. No matter how talented and good you are, if you don't trust in your abilities and if you don't honestly think you can be the one who will shine, that will never happen, and to convince yourself that you can actually do it and that there is no reason someone else should instead is probably the hardest thing to do for lots of people. Just look at MC for example, until he fixed his nerves problem (which is directly related to a self confidence problem), he wasn't really performing as good as he really is, and now that he got this fixed he rolled over the GSL. In the same vein, look what happened to Jinro once he went into a game being everything but confident about being able to win, he just go 4-0'ed, and that's really not because MC is way too good for him, it's just that he crippled himself not really believing in his chances to win it. The kind of mentality you're displaying is exactly how one shouldn't be if he wants to compete in anything. The only thing that matters is that you have to be honest with yourself in the first place and decide whether or not it is something for you, that you really love, and that you're really good at or can really be good at. | ||
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zOula...
United States898 Posts
On December 20 2010 12:34 reG.neaZ wrote: are you trolling? o.O(if not, LOL) | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Do you like ramen? If so, then SC is the career for you. Even famed stars like Nada and Boxer were eating ramen for a long time before eSports ever got big. Maybe you should just read all Rekrul's posts. Progaming is a sacrifice because you love the game. Don't do it cause you think it's a viable career option. | ||
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
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Xaga
United States163 Posts
As for physics, my college physics professor said there's nothing LESS rewarding than becoming a physicist... Wait... I didn't help at all did I? =\ Sorry. Best of luck to you though, with whatever you decide to do. | ||
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YejinYejin
United States1053 Posts
Just sayin'. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 20 2010 13:10 cArn- wrote: Do you really think BoxeR, NaDa and all the people who actually achieved what they did had this kind of mentality ? The reasons this kind of people shine above others is not only their talent, dedication, love for the game, how hard they practice etc etc, but also the huge factor that is self confidence, if you go into something telling to yourself that you'll never get there anyway, then yes you will never get there. No matter how talented and good you are, if you don't trust in your abilities and if you don't honestly think you can be the one who will shine, that will never happen, and to convince yourself that you can actually do it and that there is no reason someone else should instead is probably the hardest thing to do for lots of people. Just look at MC for example, until he fixed his nerves problem (which is directly related to a self confidence problem), he wasn't really performing as good as he really is, and now that he got this fixed he rolled over the GSL. In the same vein, look what happened to Jinro once he went into a game being everything but confident about being able to win, he just go 4-0'ed, and that's really not because MC is way too good for him, it's just that he crippled himself not really believing in his chances to win it. The kind of mentality you're displaying is exactly how one shouldn't be if he wants to compete in anything. The only thing that matters is that you have to be honest with yourself in the first place and decide whether or not it is something for you, that you really love, and that you're really good at or can really be good at. Statistically speaking, he will be better off working a regular 9 to 5 if he cares about his financial security and future. Like I advised, playing for the sake of playing, having fun with it, maybe winning a few tournaments is all well and good, but going about it as a profession full-time is not a sound bet. For every Boxer, NaDa or Flash out there, there are thousands who didn't make it. People who trained for months and couldn't pass a courage tournament, people who were B-teamers and were never able to cut it, even a-teamers that washed out before they could make their mark. Now with SC2 its the same story, its prize hunting to try to secure a living. As for self confidence, sure its a nice thing, but realistically speaking its still not a good path to travel as far as financial security or a future. When Boxer and NaDa started they didn't aspire to be millionaires or world-class heroic progamers, that concept didn't even exist yet. In the end, people will do what they will, and trying something like this won't necessarily be a bad call, might even be able to secure enough winnings to support yourself for a time, but planning on being the next NaDa and supporting yourself off of progaming till your 40's is kind of ridiculous. | ||
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
On December 20 2010 17:35 moopie wrote: Statistically speaking, he will be better off working a regular 9 to 5 if he cares about his financial security and future. Like I advised, playing for the sake of playing, having fun with it, maybe winning a few tournaments is all well and good, but going about it as a profession full-time is not a sound bet. For every Boxer, NaDa or Flash out there, there are thousands who didn't make it. People who trained for months and couldn't pass a courage tournament, people who were B-teamers and were never able to cut it, even a-teamers that washed out before they could make their mark. Now with SC2 its the same story, its prize hunting to try to secure a living. As for self confidence, sure its a nice thing, but realistically speaking its still not a good path to travel as far as financial security or a future. When Boxer and NaDa started they didn't aspire to be millionaires or world-class heroic progamers, that concept didn't even exist yet. In the end, people will do what they will, and trying something like this won't necessarily be a bad call, might even be able to secure enough winnings to support yourself for a time, but planning on being the next NaDa and supporting yourself off of progaming till your 40's is kind of ridiculous. Planning on being the next NaDa or whatever is the exact mindset you need to succeed in this, which is why I was pointing out that of course if someone thinks like this he will never do it. Aim the stars you'll reach the moon (or something like this lol) My point was not that keeping on getting a regular job is bad, all I'm saying is thinking the way you think is exactly what makes people fail in any kind of competition. And yeah of course they didn't plan on being millionaires playing games, they were just enjoying what they were doing and it happened that it became big and they did what was needed to make it big, so as long as you enjoy what you're doing and you're somewhat good at it, the major thing that would stop you is to think it's completely irrealistic to reach your goal. Yes, I agree that "statistically speaking" it'll be better for anyone to have a regular 9 to 5 job. But if all those guys who became big like BoxeR NaDa or whoever who was successful doing whatever else than a regular job was thinking like this, and just sticking to the safe standard of today's society, they would have never been who they are and where they are now, which is my point. A lot of people wouldn't be who they are now, and I'm sure a lot of people passed right through their lives. It's just a question of whether you really want to do it, and if you can do it, and knowing that is the tough part. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
No one will push a moron who can barely form coherent sentences to become a writer, or laud an idiot with terrible grades in science who decides he wants to become a doctor. But in this community, a complete and total nobody who supposedly has an ok rating at a game that's not even a year old has an awesome chance of making it pro. Ok guys! This would be like a dude changing his oil for the first time and deciding that he wants to become a mechanic on the spot. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On December 20 2010 10:20 Pandain wrote: 1.How much should I practice a day if I really want to make it big? 2.Is it possible to support myself entirely off of SC? 3.What would I do after I'm like 40 or something, what do I do then(since if I took a "normal" job career I would still have a job then, or something?) . So, let me get this straight: You were to becoming a (quantum) physicist, so I'd say you are pretty smart. And you want to be a pro gamer now and ask THESE questions? Good lord, you can't be that smart after all can you? 1. Obviously you need to practise like 14 hours a day (the rest of the day will be sleeping & eating). Koreans practise that much, so do you 2. If you get good enough to join a pro team, definitely. 3. You won't be playing until you are 40, rofl. maybe 35, but that is it I'd say. I can't imagine Boxer playing for another 4 or 5 years competitively (he is 30). | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
In today's e-sports scene, where the best players in the world are literally duking it out for $500 prize pools, making any sort of long-term income off of gaming is pretty unrealistic. My advice to you: Only pursue that goal if its for love of the game and community. As it stands right now, there's just too many talented players fighting for too little money for the cash part to be a real, driving incentive. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
1.I'm not doing it for the money. I'm doing it because I love the game. I full hardidly realize that this will probably pay less than if I took a "normal" job, but I would accept that if I just find out just how much I can support myself off of starcraft. 2.I have the dedication. Somewhat going along with #1, I can put in the hours. I can(and have) put in +8 hours during a single day, and if I could play more I gladly would. Right now I'm only "allowed" to be on electronics an hour during a day according to my mom (-.-) but of course have been playing for longer, even considering going down during the night just to play some more(especially if I focus more on school.) Just to ask some more questions, here are a couple I've now been wondering. 1.Could I support a family off of this?(like nony and white ra, I'm unsure as to their situations) 2.If I really want to go pro, like try to support myself fully off of starcraft, would I join a team? Is that really my only choice nowadays is to get sponsered? Furthormore, should I plan moving to korea? I know this wouldn't happen for a long time, but I'm just trying to get my thoughts on paper now. 3.How many hours should I at least be putting in in starcraft now? Right now I would say I average 2-3 hours playing starcraft and like 4-5 watching streams/day9 or so forth. Some days I average more, such as weekends when I play for like 5 hours or something. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
Do not get caught up in the hours, it's not about how much time you spend a day doing starcraft it is about working intelligently. People think that if they play the game enough they'll magically become a pro gamer. You have to have a purpose, it's the difference between football practice and a football scrimmage. In a scrimmage you're playing the game in practice you're training the basic skills for the game. You can't just play the game and watch streams and be like YAR IM PRO NOW! You need a plan and a strategy so therefore there is no answer to the number of hours you need to dedicate. And as for #1 probably not. Do not count on being able to say yes to #1, that is one of the things where it happens or not but it's better to plan for the answer to #1 being "no." | ||
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MetalMarine
United States1559 Posts
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Chesner
Iceland817 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:53 DTK-m2 wrote: The title of your blog says "programer," so while it is actually progamer with an extra R, it could just as easily be programmer missing an M. Just sayin'. Yeah was wondering if I was the only one seeing that R or not :d | ||
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Cube
Canada777 Posts
2. that's not what a programmer does! | ||
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commiboi
United States74 Posts
If you're really dedicated and manage to become one of the top players, you can be a pro gamer for a few years then go back to your studies, and money you get from tournaments,etc.. can help you pay for your expenses/tuition. I think you shouldn't rely on Starcraft as a career for the rest of your life. Top players have their peaks and will become rusty/fall sooner or later (look at BW scene gamers). There are tons of talented people in sc2 who wanna become pro gamers just like you, but have the time and connections to good players that you probably don't. If I was you i would focus on school  . | ||
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