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ShadowWolf
Profile Joined March 2010
United States197 Posts
December 16 2010 16:47 GMT
#21
On December 16 2010 22:03 shannn wrote:
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On December 16 2010 19:51 zatic wrote:
On December 16 2010 09:32 babolatt wrote:
First, there's this ongoing myth in any type of competitive environment, including Starcraft 2, that only the top pros have anything relevant to say about the game, and anyone who has a differing opinion is literally automatically wrong based purely on the fact that they aren't as good at the game. This is, at best, elitist and at worst a flat out incorrect assumption. This is the case across all competitive environments but it is even more valid in Starcraft 2 based on what it takes to be a top level player. There are many people who watch endless tournaments, analyze endless replays and spend more time spectating the sport than playing it. One could almost argue that people with that type of diverse information gathering actually have a more objective view of the Starcraft 2 landscape than a player who simply plays their race 12 hours a day and watches the odd tournament. This is obviously an oversimplification, but I believe the core argument to be sound.

Categorically disagree with this. The important part is that it doesn't even matter what is holding you back from playing at the top level. As long as you don't play there you can't have the same level of understanding about the game. Unfortunately, you also don't have the ability to realize that you don't have that understanding, because from your perspective everything about the game makes sense.

As long as you don't play at the pro level, you can't recognize the disparity from your grasp of the game vs someone's who does play at that level.

This. No matter how many games you watch. Unless you are a pro gamer or a pro in any sport or an ex-pro you cannot discuss specific details about a strategy or anything relevant without being a pro yourself in one time.

Because of details which can not be seen from a spectator view but by a players point of view.
In other words, why don't you see an unknown gamer casting/commentating at a professional tournament?


By and large, every level of pro-sports coaching is close to 70% filled with former players that at least played at a reasonably high level ( though often times a good portion of that 70% were players that had shortened careers or weren't very good ). That said, At a certain level, there are definitely people who can perform and understand the game far beyond their own skill level. Though rare, they can coach pretty well despite their own inability to execute at a level equal to their understanding. There are also a lot of very high level people who have no idea what they're doing. The things they do and why they do them are just instinctual and they are, more often than not, wrong when they discuss things outside of their specific wheelhouse. I'd rather not give examples of each type of person in our community because I think that's just inviting a flame war.

In short, there are, undeniably, individuals that can discuss and teach things at a level higher than their own execution. However, the real problem is that the there are a number of individuals who believe they are one of those types of people when they are not. I think as long as you approach your specific situation, until otherwise proven, with a "Here's what works at my level" and are open to criticism from people who probably know more than you then I don't see a real issue.

As proof of my above point:
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Bill Belichick is pretty universally considered one of the best coaches in the NFL right now in terms of what he has managed to accomplish with the talent he's been given. The highest level of football he ever played was Division III in College. John Gruden won a super bowl with Tampa Bay and never played football above Division II. Mike Shanahan won two super bowls with Denver and didn't really even play much College ball at all ( due to an extremely serious injury that nearly killed him ). Jeff Van Gundy and Stan Van Gundy both got to the NBA Finals as coaches, but neither competed at any reasonable level of basketball, though both played. There are some examples in the NHL, too, but I'm kinda tired of looking this up.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 04:37:55
February 09 2011 04:34 GMT
#22
Thing is if you make private forums for the pros, none's gonna contribute.
I think Tyler took that up actually. What are they gonna talk about?
They are all competing against eachother, so they are gonna be completely unwilling to contribute with new stuff.
There are gonna be some imbalance threads obviously, but that's about it I presume.

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On December 16 2010 10:22 hifriend wrote:
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On December 16 2010 09:40 Plexa wrote:
Rest assured TL has been working on things for a long time I know a lot of you are new to TL but we work at an incredibly slow pace since when we want to change something or improve the site in some way, we absolutely want to do it right.

Kind of like ents, in an entmoot.

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