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The one congressman who likes Wikileaks

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darmousseh
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United States3437 Posts
December 14 2010 02:05 GMT
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Almost every congressman in the US has criticized the release of the cables from US embassies. One member has stood out in support, not because of how it was accomplished, but for showing just how crazy US foreign policy really is.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/us/politics/13paul.html?pagewanted=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

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WASHINGTON — As virtually all of Washington was declaring WikiLeaks’s disclosures of secret diplomatic cables an act of treason, Representative Ron Paul was applauding the organization for exposing the United States’ “delusional foreign policy.”
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For this, the conservative blog RedState dubbed him “Al Qaeda’s favorite member of Congress.”

It was hardly the first time that Mr. Paul had marched to his own beat. During his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, he was best remembered for declaring in a debate that the 9/11 attacks were the Muslim world’s response to American military intervention around the globe. A fellow candidate, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York, interrupted and demanded that he take back the words — a request that Mr. Paul refused.

During his 20 years in Congress, Mr. Paul has staked out the lonely end of 434-to-1 votes against legislation that he considers unconstitutional, even on issues as ceremonial as granting Mother Teresa a Congressional Gold Medal. His colleagues have dubbed him “Dr. No,” but his wife will insist that they have the spelling wrong: he is really Dr. Know.

Now it appears others are beginning to credit him with some wisdom — or at least acknowledging his passionate following.

After years of blocking him from a leadership position, Mr. Paul’s fellow Republicans have named him chairman of the House subcommittee on domestic monetary policy, which oversees the Federal Reserve as well as the currency and the valuation of the dollar.

Mr. Paul has strong views on those issues. He has written a book called “End the Fed”; he embraces Austrian economic thought, which holds that the government has no role in regulating the economy; and he advocates a return to the gold standard.

Many of the new Republicans in the next Congress campaigned on precisely the issues that Mr. Paul has been talking about for 40 years: forbidding Congress from any action not explicitly authorized in the Constitution, eliminating entire federal departments as unconstitutional and checking the power of the Fed.

He has been called the “intellectual godfather of the Tea Party,” but he also is the real father of the Tea Party movement’s most high-profile winner, Senator-elect Rand Paul of Kentucky. (The two will be roommates in Ron Paul’s Virginia condominium. “I told him as long as he didn’t expect me to cook,” the elder Mr. Paul said. “I’m not going to take care of him the way his mother did.”)

Republicans had blocked Mr. Paul from leading the monetary policy panel once before, and banking executives reportedly urged them to do so again. But Republicans on Capitol Hill increasingly recognize that Mr. Paul has a following — among his supporters from 2008 and within the Tea Party, which helped the Republicans recapture the House majority by picking up Mr. Paul’s longstanding and highly vocal opposition to the federal debt.

Aides, supporters and television interviewers now use words like “vindicated” to describe him — a term Mr. Paul, a 75-year-old obstetrician with the manner of a country doctor, brushes off.

“I don’t think it’s very personal,” he said in an interview in his office on the Hill, where he has represented the 14th District of Texas on and off since 1976. “People are really worried about what’s happening, so they’re searching, and I think they see that we’ve been offering answers.”

If there is vindication here, Mr. Paul says, it is for Austrian economic theory — an anti-Keynesian model that many mainstream economists consider radical and dismiss as magical thinking.

The theory argues that markets operate properly only when they are unfettered by government regulation and intervention. It holds that the government should not have a central bank or dictate economic or monetary policy. Once the government begins any economic planning, such thinking goes, it ends up making all the economic decisions for its citizens, essentially enslaving them.

The walls of Mr. Paul’s Congressional office are devoid of the usual pictures with presidents and other dignitaries. Instead, there are portraits of Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard, titans of the Austrian school. For years, Mr. Paul would talk about their ideas and eyes would glaze over. But during his presidential campaign, he said he began to notice a glimmer of recognition among those who attended his events, particularly on college campuses.

Mr. Paul now views his exchange with Mr. Giuliani in 2008 as a crucial moment in his drive for more supporters. “A lot of them said, ‘I’d never heard of you, and I liked what you said and I went and checked your voting record and you’d actually voted that way,’ ” he said. “They’d see that the thing that everybody on the House floor considered a liability for 20 years, my single ‘no’ votes, they’d say, ‘He did that himself; he really must believe this.’ ”

His campaign that year attracted a coalition that even he recognizes does not always stand together: young people who liked his advocacy of greater civil liberties and the decriminalization of marijuana; conservatives who nodded at his antidebt message; and others who agreed with his opposition to the Iraq war.

During George W. Bush’s presidency, he was out of favor with the reigning neoconservatives who were alarmed at his anti-interventionism. He still gives many conservatives fits with comments like his praise for WikiLeaks.

And many of those who follow the Fed closely say his ideas are “very strange indeed,” in the words of Lyle E. Gramley, a former governor of the Fed who is now a senior economic adviser at the Potomac Research Group. “I don’t think he understands what central banking is all about,” Mr. Gramley said.

Putting such a critic of the Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, in such a prominent role, he added, could damage economic confidence.

“The public doesn’t understand how serious the problem was and why the Fed had to take the action it did,” Mr. Gramley said. "Having someone in Congress taking shots at the Fed makes the situation uneasy.”

Still, Mr. Paul says, his colleagues respect his following outside Washington. “I was on the House floor today,” he said, “and somebody I don’t know real well, another Republican, he was talking to two other members, and he knew I was listening. He pointed at me and said, ‘That guy has more bumper stickers in my district than I do!’ ”

Interview requests are so common that Mr. Paul has set up a camera and studio backdrop in his district office to save him the hour’s drive to television stations in Houston.

His bill demanding a full audit of the Fed, which he had unsuccessfully pushed for years, attracted 320 co-sponsors in the House this year.

And the lunches that he has held in his office every Thursday, where lawmakers can meet intellectuals and policymakers who embrace Austrian economics, have become more crowded, drawing Tea Party celebrities like Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota.

“For a long time, a lot of people in Congress on both sides of the aisle agreed with Ron a lot of the time but felt it wasn’t safe to go there,” said Jesse Benton, a longtime Ron Paul aide who ran Rand Paul’s Senate campaign.

The father is about to gain even greater visibility. He says he will use his new chairmanship to renew his push for a full audit of the Fed and to hold a series of hearings on monetary policy.

On Web sites for Ron Paul fans, there are urgent pleas for a father-son (or son-father) “Paul/Paul 2012” ticket. But in an interview, the senior Mr. Paul seemed taken by surprise by the suggestion of teaming up. While he is bursting-proud of his son, he is not necessarily ready to yield the spotlight: He is pondering another presidential run on his own.

“I’d say it’s at least 50-50 that I’ll run again,” he said, adding that he would look at where the economy is. (Aides add that it would depend a lot on what his wife, Carol, says.)

But for all the ways the Tea Party echoes Mr. Paul on fiscal issues, it is not clear such support would carry over into a presidential campaign. The last time he ran, he won less than 2 percent of the vote, though that was before the Tea Party became a force in politics.

Even many Tea Party conservatives are not on board with Mr. Paul’s beliefs about scaling back the United States military worldwide. And Paul supporters look on the Tea Party with some disdain.

Mr. Paul acknowledged the sometimes competing interests among Tea Party supporters and his fans. “What brings them together is this acceptance that there’s something really wrong, that we’ve spent too much money and government’s too big,” he said.

That, he added, was why he had to work at keeping up his influence, particularly in spreading the word about the cost of foreign interventions.

Still, he noted: “We’re further along than I would have expected in getting our message out in front. I thought I’d be long gone from Congress before anybody would pay much attention.”



Many of his ideas are very foreign to a progressive or even conservative thinker. If you haven't heard of him, go look him up on youtube.




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Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
December 14 2010 02:09 GMT
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 02:13:40
December 14 2010 02:12 GMT
#3
I was very surprised to find it on the front page of the NYtimes.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 02:13:37
December 14 2010 02:13 GMT
#4
On December 14 2010 11:09 Barrin wrote:
I will look into this more later, but on the surface this sounds very funky >.< Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Indeed it does. To begin with, I don't trust Ron Paul as far as i can throw him (read: not very far), and it just reeks of a political ploy.
Though, when I think of it, if the political ploy gives the incentive for more politicians / the government to be more transparent, i don't feel too bad about it.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
December 14 2010 02:18 GMT
#5
Ron Paul is amazing, I hope he runs for president in 2012. I'd actually have somebody to vote for.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 14 2010 02:20 GMT
#6
Id imagine its Ron Paul... Unfortunate that he gets no support.
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Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
December 14 2010 02:22 GMT
#7
If Ron Paul weren't batshit crazy he might be more successful.

Obvious statement is obvious, but it is true. He has gems here and there, overall he is a Randroid.

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zzaaxxsscd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States626 Posts
December 14 2010 02:28 GMT
#8
Ron Paul is Sarah Palin for the elites

his time is running out, all he can do is stir up controversy
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
December 14 2010 02:34 GMT
#9
On December 14 2010 11:28 zzaaxxsscd wrote:
Ron Paul is Sarah Palin for the elites

his time is running out, all he can do is stir up controversy

wat? nonsense.
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:17:34
December 14 2010 05:15 GMT
#10
On December 14 2010 11:22 Romantic wrote:
If Ron Paul weren't batshit crazy he might be more successful.

Obvious statement is obvious, but it is true. He has gems here and there, overall he is a Randroid.


So being pro Constitution and for your entire reign of service to never vote in opposition of the United States Constitution is "Batshit Crazy?"

Also, to keep the federal government accountable and not in charge of or the boss of the American people is "Batshit Crazy?"

I think you are batshit crazy.
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:17:16
December 14 2010 05:16 GMT
#11
sry double post
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 05:54:07
December 14 2010 05:52 GMT
#12
My guess was Ron Paul before I even clicked the thread. And it's not like I care at all about his politics/ever followed him. He's just that oddball who stands out and likes to make these sorts of gestures.

Personally I'm not sure we can really trust some random website [WikiLeaks] to have the wisdom about what sensitive materials should be leaked to the hordes of foolish/immature backseat politicians online.
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
December 14 2010 05:59 GMT
#13
On December 14 2010 14:52 Ryalnos wrote:
My guess was Ron Paul before I even clicked the thread. And it's not like I care at all about his politics/ever followed him. He's just that oddball who stands out and likes to make these sorts of gestures.

Personally I'm not sure we can really trust some random website [WikiLeaks] to have the wisdom about what sensitive materials should be leaked to the hordes of foolish/immature backseat politicians online.


Well Ron Paul's point is:

Why should it be acceptable for the government to lie to the American people?

Wikileaks is exposing lies more than threatening national security.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
December 14 2010 06:24 GMT
#14
On December 14 2010 11:28 zzaaxxsscd wrote:
Ron Paul is Sarah Palin for the elites

his time is running out, all he can do is stir up controversy

Right, except in place of winking and talking about what a wholesome soccer mom he is, Paul has intelligent arguments.

The two share nothing but vaguely similar economic policy.
Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 06:26:10
December 14 2010 06:25 GMT
#15
Weird to say that this is the same guy who wants government to be as minuscule as an ant in American society and refutes evolution....

His son is even worse than he is though.
Whiladan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 06:28:00
December 14 2010 06:26 GMT
#16
On December 14 2010 14:15 tryummm wrote:
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On December 14 2010 11:22 Romantic wrote:
If Ron Paul weren't batshit crazy he might be more successful.

Obvious statement is obvious, but it is true. He has gems here and there, overall he is a Randroid.


So being pro Constitution and for your entire reign of service to never vote in opposition of the United States Constitution is "Batshit Crazy?"

Also, to keep the federal government accountable and not in charge of or the boss of the American people is "Batshit Crazy?"

I think you are batshit crazy.



Ron Paul has stated that he wishes to do away with government programs such as:

Social Security, the EPA, Medicare, public education...

Batshit crazy.

(read this all in an issue of Bloomberg Businessweek around Octoberish)

EDIT: My bad, this is all Rand Paul who wants this. They're both nutjobs though.
Glaven
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 07:31:37
December 14 2010 07:30 GMT
#17
"Progressive"? He's a libertarian with a couple good foreign policy views with a bandwagon big enough for a bunch of college aged kids to jump on because they "know" about politics.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 14 2010 07:43 GMT
#18
On December 14 2010 16:30 Glaven wrote:
"Progressive"? He's a libertarian with a couple good foreign policy views with a bandwagon big enough for a bunch of college aged kids to jump on because they "know" about politics.

As Nick "Tasteless" Plott would say, bam.
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Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
December 14 2010 07:48 GMT
#19
On December 14 2010 15:26 Whiladan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 14:15 tryummm wrote:
On December 14 2010 11:22 Romantic wrote:
If Ron Paul weren't batshit crazy he might be more successful.

Obvious statement is obvious, but it is true. He has gems here and there, overall he is a Randroid.


So being pro Constitution and for your entire reign of service to never vote in opposition of the United States Constitution is "Batshit Crazy?"

Also, to keep the federal government accountable and not in charge of or the boss of the American people is "Batshit Crazy?"

I think you are batshit crazy.



Ron Paul has stated that he wishes to do away with government programs such as:

Social Security, the EPA, Medicare, public education...

Batshit crazy.

(read this all in an issue of Bloomberg Businessweek around Octoberish)

EDIT: My bad, this is all Rand Paul who wants this. They're both nutjobs though.


What are you talking about? "Everything I said was wrong, he's still a nutjob though."

If you have some sort of argument against his policies, please make it, don't just blindly insult him. His views are all well thought out, weather you agree with them or not. Try googling.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 14 2010 07:53 GMT
#20
I likewise guessed Ron Paul from the thread title. I don't at all agree with many of his positions, but I do agree that it would be nice to have more voices like his that represent views outside the mainstream two-party establishment/leadership.

To be honest, there are others who think the recent Wikileaks release is good for U.S. interests, but for varying reasons. I recently read a column by Fareed Zakaria that argued that the recent leak was net positive overall, for some of the following reasons (very paraphrased, and I may be forgetting or adding things):
  • It showed that U.S. State Dept. officials are intelligent, good at analysis and writing, and overall competent.
  • Every country has dirty secrets, but what was revealed here was pretty tame and not all that condemning.
  • It showed that neighboring countries actually hate Iran and are afraid of its nuclear program, which supports U.S. interests in hampering Iran's nuclear program. The revelations are so bad for Iran that Ahmedinejad claims that the U.S. government itself was behind Wikileaks.
  • It showed China (publicly one of North Korea's largest supporters) being frustrated with North Korea being a little bitch, which likewise supports U.S. interests with regards to that country.
Of course, there are some small security issues and embarrassments to deal with in the fallout.
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