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m1LkmaN
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia82 Posts
November 23 2010 07:17 GMT
#21
The games themselves aren't the issue here, your friends are. They aren't competitive players. DotA isn't easier, its just that they can continue playing -apem public games, while in the ladder they're going to be facing harder opponents as their account level increases.

You can't possibly judge DotA by public games, its certainly up there with SC:BW and CS 1.6 as one of the best competitive games ever made, all for their respective genres. WC3 and HoN are great games, but quite clearly inferior to their counterparts (SC and DotA).

Oh, and don't be acting like HoN/DotA are in any way similar to RTS games. If you're going to argue that APM is the most important aspect of a competitive game then you'd be better off slandering FPS.
lakritzc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden164 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 07:36:54
November 23 2010 07:27 GMT
#22
On November 23 2010 16:17 m1LkmaN wrote:
Oh, and don't be acting like HoN/DotA are in any way similar to RTS games. If you're going to argue that APM is the most important aspect of a competitive game then you'd be better off slandering FPS.


HoN is a RTS game, and I never said APM was the most important aspect.

As I said, never made any solid statements about the game, just pure shallow impressions I had gotten from my friends side.
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 23 2010 07:45 GMT
#23
dota can be very hard imo. And it is hard to succeed competitively because you need teammates that you like and can work with and it is easier said than done. I mean if you are some talented RTS prodigy, you can pick up SC BW / SC2 and start owning up. But in Dota, you need equally skilled teammates with good attitude and mindsets who you can bear with. And since it is very teamwork dependent, this isn't easy.

And some people do like team games more than individual games
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