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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 08:45:57
November 14 2010 08:41 GMT
#41
On November 13 2010 14:44 Karliath wrote:
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On November 13 2010 14:40 Ixas wrote:
On November 13 2010 14:38 DarkwindHK wrote:
Seriously though, I think you will need a teacher, Since Chinese is not alphabetical, the only way to learn is to memorize a few hundred basic words and start from there.

Yea. Those people claiming not to be able to "read" but can speak are missing the point. You learned the language with the words, u simply forgot afterwards. It's not the same as completely ignoring the words and trying to learn spoken chinese.


Yup. Born in Taiwan, I learned Chinese as a main language in school until fourth grade, when I transferred to an American school. Because my family and extended family spoke Chinese, the newspapers, magazines, and books around the house were Chinese, news on the tv was in Chinese, and the country I lived in was Chinese, I never lost the ability to speak or read. However, now in my senior year of high school, I can only write the most basic of Chinese sentences.


Huh. Most everybody I know that made it through around fourth grade in China all have really good reading/writing/speaking (at least compared to us raised-in-the-west kids D: ). Never knew one that couldn't write but could do the other two.

On November 13 2010 14:19 xMiragex wrote:
So like i said before, im not afraid to SOUND bad phonetically. It's more of saying the wrong word and/or using the wrong tone. Which isn't drastically different from learning another language.


Really, if you don't want to become super-fluent with really correct pronunciation and everything I wouldn't worry about using the wrong tone. When we listen to people who don't have Chinese as their first language (ie. some cantonese, some foreign-born kids), we mostly ignore their tone because they never get it right anyway, and figure everything out from context . It doesn't matter if you mispronounce "dumpling" as "sleep"
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 09:31:09
November 14 2010 09:30 GMT
#42
On November 14 2010 17:41 Kyuukyuu wrote:
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On November 13 2010 14:19 xMiragex wrote:
So like i said before, im not afraid to SOUND bad phonetically. It's more of saying the wrong word and/or using the wrong tone. Which isn't drastically different from learning another language.


Really, if you don't want to become super-fluent with really correct pronunciation and everything I wouldn't worry about using the wrong tone. When we listen to people who don't have Chinese as their first language (ie. some cantonese, some foreign-born kids), we mostly ignore their tone because they never get it right anyway, and figure everything out from context . It doesn't matter if you mispronounce "dumpling" as "sleep"

but it sounds terrible. ever hear foreigners try to speak japanese and sound like a fool? ever hear people try speaking spanish and they pronounce the R's like they would in english? it's like that for chinese, except even worse. i've heard students at my university who are in advanced chinese (3rd year learners) and they sound like dumbasses.

if you wanna learn how to speak chinese, you need to learn tones. not just tones, but enunciation, pronunciation, and natural flow. you can't just build vocab and grammar.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
November 14 2010 09:55 GMT
#43
On November 14 2010 17:31 pepsidrinker wrote:
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On November 13 2010 14:29 Karliath wrote:
If you don't mind reading in pinying, and sounding wrong, then you should be just fine. Listening might be challenging though. Also, make sure you learn chinese from someone who speaks 'proper' mandarin. To be honest, there is no 'proper' mandarin, but you don't want to learn chinese from someone with a strong regional accent or dialect. Btw, this is still bad chinese, but it's pretty darn good for a non-native speaker.



Nice video. I heard this guy speaks really good Mandarin and Cantonese.



Haha dude speaks Mandarin with a Canton accent.
Rillanon.au
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Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 10:11:31
November 14 2010 10:03 GMT
#44
Sounds like Hong Kong Cantonese.

edit: Majority of my family speaks fluent Mandarin and they emphasize the accent at the end of words a lot stronger. Except the younger generations such as me since we're all from suburban Guangdong.
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