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If you can't do it, the earlier you tell him the better. Just let him know why you won't be able to do it in that time and suggest an estimate of when you will be able to do it by.
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I already fucking told him it would take several days. But he doesn't fucking listen. 9am. No exceptions.
I swear to god I was about 12 seconds away from quitting. Fuck me and my sense of honor.
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Tell your boss to F off and grab some beers and escape through the emergency slide.
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Quit and start working for ICCup full time :3
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Good luck. I feel your pain as a programmer.
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Okay, addendum time.
Quick. Imagine you're you.
Quick. Imagine your boss told you that you need to know how to fly in 12 hours.
Quick. Imagine you tell your boss there's no way you can learn to fly a plane in 12 hours.
Quick. Imagine your boss says fuck the plane, learn to fly like Superman.
Quick. Imagine you say it's fucking impossible.
Quick. Imagine your boss says "I don't give a fuck, do it."*
What the fuck? I hate my job.
*My boss actually tells me this shit. "I can't make the history processing do that, because the tool you hired before me didn't know what the hell he was doing and the way the database is structured it can't be physically done, and changing the database will break everything else." Response? "I don't give a fuck, do it." FUCKING LITERALLY WORD FOR WORD.
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On November 10 2010 08:24 Sayle wrote: Quit and start working for ICCup full time :3 I don't get paid by ICCup. I have bills to pay.
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On November 10 2010 08:26 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:24 Sayle wrote: Quit and start working for ICCup full time :3 I don't get paid by ICCup. I have bills to pay.
RL companies don't accept esports dollars
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Find a better job. A boss who makes unreasonable demands just means he's technically inept, this is probably only the tip of the iceberg.
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I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change.
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Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage.
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Smile like you mean it and get to work, dude.
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On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. [edit]Okay, I lied. There is no icon which can accurately express my mood right now. But there's a picture. This TV was in the wrong spot last time I was pissed off.
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On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries.
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On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage.
Not if he has to work through the night without getting paid by the hour.
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On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries. As far as I know, you don't get free fries.
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On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries.
Don't you have some leverage as the sole developer? I mean if you stand up for yourself and they fire you, what will happen to the project?
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On November 10 2010 08:25 tofucake wrote: Okay, addendum time.
Quick. Imagine you're you.
Quick. Imagine your boss told you that you need to know how to fly in 12 hours.
Quick. Imagine you tell your boss there's no way you can learn to fly a plane in 12 hours.
Quick. Imagine your boss says fuck the plane, learn to fly like Superman.
Quick. Imagine you say it's fucking impossible.
Quick. Imagine your boss says "I don't give a fuck, do it."*
What the fuck? I hate my job.
*My boss actually tells me this shit. "I can't make the history processing do that, because the tool you hired before me didn't know what the hell he was doing and the way the database is structured it can't be physically done, and changing the database will break everything else." Response? "I don't give a fuck, do it." FUCKING LITERALLY WORD FOR WORD. ROFL wow. If he said he didn't care then just let it break.
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On November 10 2010 08:39 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries. Don't you have some leverage as the sole developer? I mean if you stand up for yourself and they fire you, what will happen to the project?
That. I seriously doubt a company will foolishly hire a SINGLE developer for a million-dollar project. I think you are overestimating the value of your time as well as the project.
If I was a boss supervising this project that can bring me this much money I'd put 10 people, each one with 5+ years of experience with PHP to do it. I think most sane bosses would do the same.
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On November 10 2010 08:39 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries. Don't you have some leverage as the sole developer? I mean if you stand up for yourself and they fire you, what will happen to the project? The same thing that will happen to my job reference.
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On November 10 2010 08:40 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:39 cz wrote:On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries. Don't you have some leverage as the sole developer? I mean if you stand up for yourself and they fire you, what will happen to the project? That. I seriously doubt a company will foolishly hire a SINGLE developer for a million-dollar project. If I was a boss supervising this project that can bring me this much money I'd put 10 people, each one with 5+ years of experience with PHP to do it. I think most sane bosses would do the same. You're wrong.
2009 net revenue: $2,950,077.08
Also, I have 12 years of experience with PHP. The day I got here I told him he needed to hire at least 4 more developers and start over. Instead he hired some friend of his to act as the Project Manager. Three weeks later he was fired because all he did was drink and sleep.
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My girlfriend loves reading Don Quixote in Spanish and i can write PHP. I dislike both.
I would hate your job too.
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Tell your boss you wont be able to do it no exceptions, if you honestly can't do it in that amount of time. I've been in your situation before and that how I handled it. I don't see the problem, you have to point out unreasonable demands if you want to have any shred of respect at your job.
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On November 10 2010 08:38 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries. As far as I know, you don't get free fries.
AFAIK you get one free meal a day while working at my local McDonalds.
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On November 10 2010 08:40 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:39 cz wrote:On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries. Don't you have some leverage as the sole developer? I mean if you stand up for yourself and they fire you, what will happen to the project? The same thing that will happen to my job reference.
What do you mean? Are you on co-op? Why would a company get a newbie with no previous knowledge in PHP to develop (solo) a project that is worth one million dollars?
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Let me give you something more constructive now.
I pull off tons of all-nighters doing my projects and assignments for pretty much nothing except a grade on my transcript. Comparably you are doing something that can be really useful to your future.
Say you did complete this project and it did make the company to earn millions of dollars; then I think that's probably the best thing you can write on your resume. I am sure you are still young; there are many years ahead of you and there will be tons of opportunities for you to make a million dollars. Right now, however, is NOT the time. Right now you should wait and build up your strength.
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thats your boss telling you in a subtle way he wants to fire you but cant due to a technicality. ive seen it with slightly disabled co-workers and usually someone that rubbed him/her the wrong way.
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On November 10 2010 08:43 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:40 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:39 cz wrote:On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries. Don't you have some leverage as the sole developer? I mean if you stand up for yourself and they fire you, what will happen to the project? The same thing that will happen to my job reference. What do you mean? Are you on co-op? Why would a company get a newbie with no previous knowledge in PHP to develop (solo) a project that is worth one million dollars? I've done plenty of contract jobs and volunteer stuff (ICCup dev), but this is the first time I've been working for a company as a full time developer. I've had to suspend my classes for personal reasons, so I'm only about 75% of the way to a degree.
All that combined with outsourcing = shit job market
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On November 10 2010 08:44 kawatan wrote: thats your boss telling you in a subtle way he wants to fire you but cant due to a technicality. ive seen it with slightly disabled co-workers and usually someone that rubbed him/her the wrong way. Maybe I'll quit on Friday then. I'd really like to get another job asap, but that's going to be hard as fuck.
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On November 10 2010 08:46 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:44 kawatan wrote: thats your boss telling you in a subtle way he wants to fire you but cant due to a technicality. ive seen it with slightly disabled co-workers and usually someone that rubbed him/her the wrong way. Maybe I'll quit on Friday then. I'd really like to get another job asap, but that's going to be hard as fuck. I wouldnt quit, id milk it for all its worth and use the time at work to find another job while still getting paid.
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that really sucks man. resume time.
and don't kill yourself over an impossible deadline. you know how hard you work, you've got a clear conscience if he fires you.
and yeah, don't quit, look while you're employed -- it's MUCH better that way, for your mental health and in getting interviews.
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On November 10 2010 08:48 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:46 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:44 kawatan wrote: thats your boss telling you in a subtle way he wants to fire you but cant due to a technicality. ive seen it with slightly disabled co-workers and usually someone that rubbed him/her the wrong way. Maybe I'll quit on Friday then. I'd really like to get another job asap, but that's going to be hard as fuck. I wouldnt quit, id milk it for all its worth and use the time at work to find another job while still getting paid. But I don't know if I can hold in the burning ire for much longer
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On November 10 2010 08:49 Happy.fairytail wrote: that really sucks man. resume time.
and don't kill yourself over an impossible deadline. you know how hard you work, you've got a clear conscience if he fires you.
and yeah, don't quit, look while you're employed -- it's MUCH better that way, for your mental health and in getting interviews. I've got a couple temp agencies calling me with a few offers every couple weeks, but none are too great a fit.
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On November 10 2010 08:50 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:48 Seide wrote:On November 10 2010 08:46 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:44 kawatan wrote: thats your boss telling you in a subtle way he wants to fire you but cant due to a technicality. ive seen it with slightly disabled co-workers and usually someone that rubbed him/her the wrong way. Maybe I'll quit on Friday then. I'd really like to get another job asap, but that's going to be hard as fuck. I wouldnt quit, id milk it for all its worth and use the time at work to find another job while still getting paid. But I don't know if I can hold in the burning ire for much longer Hold it for as long as you can.
You can look for a job while keeping it a secret from your current boss that you are looking for a job. This way you can dress your current issue with work however you want to and they won't call asking for a reference (as long as you are up front about the fact that you are currently keeping it a secret from them).
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Tip for quitters: Quit AFTER you get a paycheck. Yes, wait it out. And regarding that trashed TV, I'd recommend some anger management? That kind of expression of anger isn't healthy.
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On November 10 2010 08:50 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:48 Seide wrote:On November 10 2010 08:46 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:44 kawatan wrote: thats your boss telling you in a subtle way he wants to fire you but cant due to a technicality. ive seen it with slightly disabled co-workers and usually someone that rubbed him/her the wrong way. Maybe I'll quit on Friday then. I'd really like to get another job asap, but that's going to be hard as fuck. I wouldnt quit, id milk it for all its worth and use the time at work to find another job while still getting paid. But I don't know if I can hold in the burning ire for much longer
That's you, then.
If I was doing this I'd spend all night without sleep trying to get it in my head instead of ranting on TL.
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spend less time on TL writing about it, and go learn that code!
not to be a dick or anything... venting helps sometimes, but if I was you I would be either trying to learn that code, or actively look for a new job
everyone has dickhead bosses and it fuckin sucks, but I guess I should make my own thread about my boss making ridiculous demands of me. seriously not tryin to be a dick tho
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CS 111, classic SICP @ Northwestern University.
Freshmen come in and complain about the class being in Scheme. Professor shuts them up with "Any computer science student of your level should be able to pick up the fundamentals of a language in about a day."
But anyways, yeah it sucks to be told that on your job. What's the situation? you know PHP and you need to learn C?
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On November 10 2010 08:50 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:48 Seide wrote:On November 10 2010 08:46 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:44 kawatan wrote: thats your boss telling you in a subtle way he wants to fire you but cant due to a technicality. ive seen it with slightly disabled co-workers and usually someone that rubbed him/her the wrong way. Maybe I'll quit on Friday then. I'd really like to get another job asap, but that's going to be hard as fuck. I wouldnt quit, id milk it for all its worth and use the time at work to find another job while still getting paid. But I don't know if I can hold in the burning ire for much longer
If it's about that, then I gotta say, nothing beats work-related stress better than a couple of beers with a bro who's in a crappy job himself
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Usually when you have to make a blog about how much you hate your fucking job, it is a good sign you need to find a new one.
Get your resume out there get some interviews then quit when you have a new job lined up, or quit and go get the rest of your degree done.
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Summed up, your boss is telling you to do something that is impossible for you to do. While it may be possible for you to do given a longer timeline, the length of time available is making it impossible.
You've expressed this concern to him, and his answer is basically "I don't fucking care, do it".
TBH, he sounds like a shitty boss. If he knows you can't do it, he should try to find a way to extend the deadline to allow you to do it, or give you assistance from someone else that is working for him that could provide some help. If that is not possible, he should be looking for someone who can do this work on a contractual basis (ie, throw a few thousand dollars at him to get it done).
Or he wants to find a way to fire you or something, because he doesn't like you, and he knows someone who could get the job done so it'll show you're "incompetent"..... In which case, he's a douchebag as well as being a shitty boss.
TBH, you've got quite a good reason to hate your boss, not necessarily your job.
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Can you go to your boss's boss and reason it out with him?
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On November 10 2010 08:56 Typhon wrote: CS 111, classic SICP @ Northwestern University.
Freshmen come in and complain about the class being in Scheme. Professor shuts them up with "Any computer science student of your level should be able to pick up the fundamentals of a language in about a day."
But anyways, yeah it sucks to be told that on your job. What's the situation? you know PHP and you need to learn C? I'll make this as simple as possible.
Here's my version, written to the spec my boss laid out for the previous guy, under the constraints of the previous guy's shitty-ass database structure: http://pastebin.com/wrRWiwrj
Here's the retarded bullshit I need to be able to recite: http://pastebin.com/skDFbHRw
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On November 10 2010 09:00 silencefc wrote: Can you go to your boss's boss and reason it out with him? My boss is the CEO, so I'm gonna go with "no" on this one.
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That's a tough spot you're in there. It looks like your boss intentionally hired you because you have no degree yet and tries to get you to do the work of several qualified developers as cheaply as possible. Seeing how this probably does not make him the most enjoyable guy anyway, there is no way to be sure he'd give you a good job reference even if you were able to do what he wants you to.
I think he wants to squeeze you like a lemon and is testing how far he can go with you. You don't want to appear like a total pushover to him. He probably doesnt take backtalking and criticism well, but you should show him you have some spine and explain to him you can't turn water into wine. He will either have to accept this, or if he won't he'd have fired you soon anyway, so you don't have much left to lose right now.
So I guess my advice is to use all the leverage you have as a lone developer, and stay as calm and factual as you can while doing that. He will either accept reality or fire you, not much else you can do about it.
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I spent 2 hours in a yelling contest with him when he couldn't wrap his head around the concept of related != exactly the same
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Tell your boss you could enhance the company performance by using Python instead of PHP.
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On November 10 2010 09:08 tofucake wrote: I spent 2 hours in a yelling contest with him when he couldn't wrap his head around the concept of related != exactly the same You're still young. Don't waste your life. Do something you love.
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On November 10 2010 09:26 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 09:08 tofucake wrote: I spent 2 hours in a yelling contest with him when he couldn't wrap his head around the concept of related != exactly the same You're still young. Don't waste your life. Do something you love. Can't. I need to pay student loans, and what I love doesn't pay shit.
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If you do learn it, You will have to hold it to him for the rest of your career with him
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On November 10 2010 09:28 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 09:26 Gummy wrote:On November 10 2010 09:08 tofucake wrote: I spent 2 hours in a yelling contest with him when he couldn't wrap his head around the concept of related != exactly the same You're still young. Don't waste your life. Do something you love. Can't. I need to pay student loans, and what I love doesn't pay shit.
Just curious, how old are you tofu? you mentioned you had 12 years experience in php so....
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1) The internet is not as anonymous as people tend to think, so take care. 2) Your boss is using a management style that he thinks is designed to squeeze the most productivity out of you. He may have read "The Prince" or some shit like that. 3) The only way for you to win in this situation is to make your own work goals and accomplish them, and not get fazed by your boss' demands.
Though, if your boss truly cannot take 'no' for an answer (as in, he penalizes you for not meeting his demands even after you explain how unreasonable they are), then you probably will not ever be happy working for him.
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Your situation sucks tofucake but you've learnt your boss sucks, I'd do the ninja job hunting as suggested and move on. There are plenty of decent jobs out there with bosses who either have a clue about what they want OR who will listen to the opinions of the expert they hired.
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Quit you job, move to Greece, become a fisherman. I'll come too, and anyone from TL that needs to get away from it all. We'll create a house of Starcraft and serenity, and we'll live off of fish and whatever money we can gather.
It fucking breaks my heart whenever I hear about a boss abusing his position to this degree. Guys like that need to be left alone forever. You need to quit as soon as possible. Tell him you're going back to school or you've been offered a job elsewhere and you want to accept. Three months resignation time, be sure to call in sick a lot and you're done. Your resume might take a hit, but hopefully your new boss would have some compassion when you explain the situation.
Edit: Just read about your student loans. Maybe you even have a wife and children. That means the plan is put on hiatus indefinitely. You sound like a normal, caring person and you should leave this job as soon as possible.
Here's a book that deals with bosses that stalk their employees until they "break": http://www.amazon.com/Stalking-Soul-Emotional-Erosion-Identity/dp/1885586531/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289350561&sr=8-1
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On November 10 2010 09:49 Emon_ wrote: Quit you job, move to Greece, become a fisherman. I'll come too, and anyone from TL that needs to get away from it all. We'll create a house of Starcraft and serenity, and we'll live off of fish and whatever money we can gather.
It fucking breaks my heart whenever I hear about a boss abusing his position to this degree. Guys like that need to be left alone forever. You need to quit as soon as possible. Tell him you're going back to school or you've been offered a job elsewhere and you want to accept. Three months resignation time, be sure to call in sick a lot and you're done. Your resume might take a hit, but hopefully your new boss would have some compasion when you expain the situation. That's the life dude. I might do that.
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On November 10 2010 09:01 tofucake wrote:I'll make this as simple as possible. Here's my version, written to the spec my boss laid out for the previous guy, under the constraints of the previous guy's shitty-ass database structure: http://pastebin.com/wrRWiwrjHere's the retarded bullshit I need to be able to recite: http://pastebin.com/skDFbHRw
Oh, I see. You didn't need to learn a new programming language, you just needed to learn retardese. Doesn't actually seem that bad to me though, just a bunch of unnecessary extraneous database calls with big blobs of objects. Did you add the comments in? They look pretty helpful.
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On November 10 2010 08:56 Typhon wrote: CS 111, classic SICP @ Northwestern University.
Freshmen come in and complain about the class being in Scheme. Professor shuts them up with "Any computer science student of your level should be able to pick up the fundamentals of a language in about a day."
But anyways, yeah it sucks to be told that on your job. What's the situation? you know PHP and you need to learn C?
Wait you go to Northwestern? I'm a junior CS major there lol.
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On November 10 2010 09:44 aidnai wrote: 1) The internet is not as anonymous as people tend to think, so take care. 2) Your boss is using a management style that he thinks is designed to squeeze the most productivity out of you. He may have read "The Prince" or some shit like that. 3) The only way for you to win in this situation is to make your own work goals and accomplish them, and not get fazed by your boss' demands.
Though, if your boss truly cannot take 'no' for an answer (as in, he penalizes you for not meeting his demands even after you explain how unreasonable they are), then you probably will not ever be happy working for him. 1) I know, but for reasons below I don't care 2) My boss is a commie. Seriously. He ran a tobacco import company in Soviet Russia for 20 years. He barely speaks English. I doubt he's read much of anything in English. 3) Last time I tried that he yelled at me for 2 hours. Constantly. I swear he never even stopped to take a breath.
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The comments were not added by me. The only damn object in the entire project (3000 files full of that shit) is the database wrapper I wrote, which has made my life so much easier.
On November 10 2010 09:39 crazeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 09:28 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 09:26 Gummy wrote:On November 10 2010 09:08 tofucake wrote: I spent 2 hours in a yelling contest with him when he couldn't wrap his head around the concept of related != exactly the same You're still young. Don't waste your life. Do something you love. Can't. I need to pay student loans, and what I love doesn't pay shit. Just curious, how old are you tofu? you mentioned you had 12 years experience in php so.... I'm 23.
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Like what others have said before me, you better find a new job. Even if you manage to fulfill the current requirement, a company manned by a CEO who has unrealistic expectations will not stay afloat. It doesn't help that he refuses to listen to those trying to improve the company's performance. The ship is sinking; find a lifeboat before it goes under completely.
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PRINCIPLE 5 Talk in terms of the other person’s interests.
PRINCIPLE 6 Make the other person feel important-and do it sincerely.
You can’t win an argument. You can’t because if you lose it, you lose it; and if you win it, you lose it.
PRINCIPLE 2 Show respect for the other person’s opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."
PRINCIPLE 3 Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
PRINCIPLE 4 Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
PRINCIPLE 5 Let the other person save face.
PRINCIPLE 7 Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
PRINCIPLE 8 Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
These are some principals from "how to win friends and influence people", a good book. You said you were in a yelling match with your boss? big no-no. you have to make him feel important and then admit any faults in your own self even if its half made up. he wants to prove his authority over you. then you have to explain to him why it would be a negative thing for his wallet to keep doing things the way he is.
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Man, that really really sucks. Whatever you choose to do, good luck on getting out this shit.
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On November 10 2010 11:02 ShaperofDreams wrote: PRINCIPLE 2 Show respect for the other person’s opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."
These are some principals from "how to win friends and influence people", a good book. You said you were in a yelling match with your boss? big no-no. you have to make him feel important and then admit any faults in your own self even if its half made up. he wants to prove his authority over you. then you have to explain to him why it would be a negative thing for his wallet to keep doing things the way he is. There's a difference between an opinion like "BW > SC2" - "You're wrong" and "The sky is made out of potatoes" - "You're wrong".
I told him he was wrong because he was stating things as facts when he understands neither the system nor most of the words he's using (he calls variables "shelves").
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On November 10 2010 09:01 tofucake wrote:I'll make this as simple as possible. Here's my version, written to the spec my boss laid out for the previous guy, under the constraints of the previous guy's shitty-ass database structure: http://pastebin.com/wrRWiwrjHere's the retarded bullshit I need to be able to recite: http://pastebin.com/skDFbHRw
Wow, this is just too much to handle.. Get a SC2-EU account, move to Turkey, live your life. $25k a year can make you live so damn easily.
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On November 10 2010 11:51 Metalwing wrote:Wow, this is just too much to handle.. Get a SC2-EU account, move to Turkey, live your life. $25k a year can make you live so damn easily. I have an EU account. Not enough time to use it :<
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On November 10 2010 08:38 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 08:36 tofucake wrote:On November 10 2010 08:34 OpRaider wrote: I believe your mood icon is not correlated to your actual mood at all, time for a change. It is now. On November 10 2010 08:35 Sufficiency wrote: Quick, imagine you were working at McDonald's getting minimum wage.
Suck it up, dude. I am sure you get paid more than minimum wage. Yes, I do. But I don't get paid enough. I'm the sole developer on this project, which will (when complete) earn this company millions of dollars. I'm not going to see any of that, and the amount of stress by boss puts on me could kill a herd of elephants. At this point I actually wouldn't mind working at McDonalds. At least I'd get free fries. As far as I know, you don't get free fries. ... You dont =(
FML
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On November 10 2010 12:42 O-ops wrote: We need R1CH in here.
This is the obvious and probably would be the most effective solution. I'm sure he could whip up a program that works like the Matrix and you could learn all the shit in two seconds having it directly downloaded to your brain.
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On November 10 2010 11:51 Metalwing wrote:Wow, this is just too much to handle.. Get a SC2-EU account, move to Turkey, live your life. $25k a year can make you live so damn easily.
Seriously? It's only 1k lines long...
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I know your pain very well, but instead of codes like PHP and such, I am a network tech for a huge multinational company and they like to do the same thing with us. What they do here though is decide that it is code freeze, no changes to codes or networking until the end of the year...then they decide to move everything around in the building and make us make things work when...oh my, they are now on the wrong friggin' network segments and vlans! Normally, this is an easy change by reconfiguring the vlans on the switches, but not during freeze! During freeze in order to get changes approved you have to go through a log process of writing out every single step and why it is needed. THEN you have to explain on a concall with high-up managers everything that you just wrote down, only then under most cases to have it denied because why...it is freeze!
Then the next step is to tell managers why their stuff does not work and why we cannot make it work in plain English. Then we get chewed out and we have to remind them why all of these changes were REQUIRED before freeze started but EVERY YEAR it is the same routine and they NEVER have their stuff submitted before freeze.
I have been doing this for a few years now and it is the same...no matter how many times you tell them...oh well.
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Eh... ineffective bosses are something you always have to deal with... I suggest apathy. If you don't care about your boss, being yelled at for it is much less psychologically damaging.
Bring on the booze man
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lol damn commies! I'd suggest finding another job if the money isn't way more than you would earn elsewhere. Otherwise just suck it up while you get financially ahead for a bit.
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I am in the process of getting a new job now. Hm...
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On November 10 2010 23:35 tofucake wrote: I am in the process of getting a new job now. Hm...
good call. just keep on trucking.
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Looking voluntarily, or looking 'cuz something happened...?
On November 10 2010 15:45 meeple wrote: Eh... ineffective bosses are something you always have to deal with... I suggest apathy. If you don't care about your boss, being yelled at for it is much less psychologically damaging.
Bring on the booze man
This. Being able to laugh at my circumstances really helped me cope with how ridiculous my boss and coworkers were in my previous job.
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Talked to a guy from one of the agencies that keeps calling me (okay, I actually registered with this one). Permanent position available closer to my home at a better salary. I might have a phone screening tomorrow for it, so hurray!
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Well, this could be an ideal resolution.
Be careful about describing why you are leaving your current job. I've conducted a couple job interviews, and when the interviewee says he's quitting his job because his boss was unreasonable or the work was too demanding, it's kind of a red flag imo. Could be totally legit, could be a lazy worker, impossible to tell from hearing one side of the story.
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Sweet, good luck with the job hunting man.
On November 11 2010 04:28 aidnai wrote: Well, this could be an ideal resolution.
Be careful about describing why you are leaving your current job. I've conducted a couple job interviews, and when the interviewee says he's quitting his job because his boss was unreasonable or the work was too demanding, it's kind of a red flag imo. Could be totally legit, could be a lazy worker, impossible to tell from hearing one side of the story.
Agreed 100%. In fact, I would avoid talking about your boss as much as possible. Talking smack about someone, anyone -- especially your former employers -- is really unprofessional. (Burning bridges is also very unprofessional)
If they press the issue and specifically ask about your former boss, yeah you might say he had time management issues, BUT -- you were able to learn from that by figuring out how to manage expectations by setting appropriate deadlines, project update meetings, etc. (shows you turn negatives into positives)
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On November 10 2010 14:00 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 11:51 Metalwing wrote:On November 10 2010 09:01 tofucake wrote:I'll make this as simple as possible. Here's my version, written to the spec my boss laid out for the previous guy, under the constraints of the previous guy's shitty-ass database structure: http://pastebin.com/wrRWiwrjHere's the retarded bullshit I need to be able to recite: http://pastebin.com/skDFbHRw Wow, this is just too much to handle.. Get a SC2-EU account, move to Turkey, live your life. $25k a year can make you live so damn easily. Seriously? It's only 1k lines long...
Dunno if you're a programmer or not, but 1,000 lines of code is more than just 1,000 lines of code. See spoiler for example, this is actually a "3d" flight simulator written in C. It requires some arguments to compile, check the wikipedia entry for IOCCC if you want more info.
+ Show Spoiler + #include <math.h> #include <sys/time.h> #include <X11/Xlib.h> #include <X11/keysym.h> double L ,o ,P ,_=dt,T,Z,D=1,d, s[999],E,h= 8,I, J,K,w[999],M,m,O ,n[999],j=33e-3,i= 1E3,r,t, u,v ,W,S= 74.5,l=221,X=7.26, a,B,A=32.2,c, F,H; int N,q, C, y,p,U; Window z; char f[52] ; GC k; main(){ Display*e= XOpenDisplay( 0); z=RootWindow(e,0); for (XSetForeground(e,k=XCreateGC (e,z,0,0),BlackPixel(e,0)) ; scanf("%lf%lf%lf",y +n,w+y, y+s)+1; y ++); XSelectInput(e,z= XCreateSimpleWindow(e,z,0,0,400,400, 0,0,WhitePixel(e,0) ),KeyPressMask); for(XMapWindow(e,z); ; T=sin(O)){ struct timeval G={ 0,dt*1e6} ; K= cos(j); N=1e4; M+= H*_; Z=D*K; F+=_*P; r=E*K; W=cos( O); m=K*W; H=K*T; O+=D*_*F/ K+d/K*E*_; B= sin(j); a=B*T*D-E*W; XClearWindow(e,z); t=T*E+ D*B*W; j+=d*_*D-_*F*E; P=W*E*B-T*D; for (o+=(I=D*W+E *T*B,E*d/K *B+v+B/K*F*D)*_; p<y; ){ T=p[s]+i; E=c-p[w]; D=n[p]-L; K=D*m-B*T-H*E; if(p [n]+w[ p]+p[s ]== 0|K <fabs(W=T*r-I*E +D*P) |fabs(D=t *D+Z *T-a *E)> K)N=1e4; else{ q=W/K *4E2+2e2; C= 2E2+4e2/ K *D; N-1E4&& XDrawLine(e ,z,k,N ,U,q,C); N=q; U=C; } ++p; } L+=_* (X*t +P*M+m*l); T=X*X+ l*l+M *M; XDrawString(e,z,k ,20,380,f,17); D=v/l*15; i+=(B *l-M*r -X*Z)*_; for(; XPending(e); u *=CS!=N){ XEvent z; XNextEvent(e ,&z); ++*((N=XLookupKeysym (&z.xkey,0))-IT? N-LT? UP-N?& E:& J:& u: &h); --*( DN -N? N-DT ?N== RT?&u: & W:&h:&J ); } m=15*F/l; c+=(I=M/ l,l*H +I*M+a*X)*_; H =A*r+v*X-F*l+( E=.1+X*4.9/l,t =T*m/32-I*T/24 )/S; K=F*M+( h* 1e4/l-(T+ E*5*T*E)/3e2 )/S-X*d-B*A; a=2.63 /l*d; X+=( d*l-T/S *(.19*E +a *.64+J/1e3 )-M* v +A* Z)*_; l += K *_; W=d; sprintf(f, "%5d %3d" "%7d",p =l /1.7,(C=9E3+ O*57.3)%0550,(int)i); d+=T*(.45-14/l* X-a*130-J* .14)*_/125e2+F*_*v; P=(T*(47 *I-m* 52+E*94 *D-t*.38+u*.21*E) /1e2+W* 179*v)/2312; select(p=0,0,0,0,&G); v-=( W*F-T*(.63*m-I*.086+m*E*19-D*25-.11*u )/107e2)*_; D=cos(o); E=sin(o); } }
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I've actually tried to read a roughly translated Don Quixote(broken english), it was so awkward and I'd lose interest every 3-4 lines. 
Also I hate reading other people's code.
GL and do your best, thats all I can say really. Might be better off this way if they were really that unreasonable and uncompromising.
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On November 11 2010 03:58 tofucake wrote: Talked to a guy from one of the agencies that keeps calling me (okay, I actually registered with this one). Permanent position available closer to my home at a better salary. I might have a phone screening tomorrow for it, so hurray! sweet glgl!
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at least you have a job you sonofabitch
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You really need to quit...
Your boss is seriously an ass
Sooner or later you won't be able to stand it
What happens if you go 'tv' on your boss?
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On November 11 2010 08:24 frogmelter wrote: You really need to quit...
Your boss is seriously an ass
Sooner or later you won't be able to stand it
What happens if you go 'tv' on your boss? I won't, but I might have to go Barney Stinson on a TV.
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Okay Tofucake I have the solution for you.
I'm gonna assume you're an English speaking white dude. It's possible you're not white since your username is Tofucake but whatevs, I hope you're a white dude for your sake.
1. Get a tourist visa to China. It's pretty quick for Canadians so I assume it'd be quick for you. 2. Get a plane ticket to Shanghai. 3. Arrive in Shanghai and talk to anyone random who looks like a university student. Chances are they know English (fun fact: There are more English speakers in China than in America) 4. Ask where all the foreigners hang. 5. Meet said foreigners and get one of them to get you a job teaching English because a lot of them are probably doing just that. 6. Get said job, get a place, live the rest of your life gloriously. You now have a decent paying job, cheap rent and cost of living, and you don't even need to know Mandarin.
P.S. If you're lucky you'll get a job being a corporate white guy. What happens is that companies will hire white people to show up to corporate functions (like ribbon cuttings, business meetings, etc) and your sole purpose is to be a white guy, because white people working with a company in China implies power and reputation.
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Huh... I am an english speaking white guy who went to Shanghai with a tourist visa, changed it to a multi entry work visa, taught english for 5 months and made side trips to Tokyo and Seoul before returning to Canada for university.
For what it's worth, I found it to be a defining, memorable, and wonderful experience.
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Just try and hold on to the job until your next paycheck or something. Then leave.
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