Basically, Zenio beat Idra, and for his ceremony he did a swipe with his hand, gesturing "Stop Acting up/Stop being a punk"
There was a few comments that criticized Zenio for being a bit extreme, but they were pretty soon overrun with comments either 1) cheering Zenio, 2) mocking the people who criticized Zenio.
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까불지맛 grack Stop acting up grack
개멋지다 ㅅ.ㅂ 그레기 개매너새.끼 진짜 나도 한번 당했는데 면상 앞에 있었음 이미 날렸다 Zenio is super stylish. That fucking Greggy with manner suited for dogs, that bastard. I've been victimized once and if he was next to me I would have already thrown a punch.
최정민멋있다1! Zenio so cool1!
잘했어요 앞으로도 그레기 혼내줘요 ㅋ_ㅋ You did well! Please punish Greggy in the future too lol
저번에 스샷보니 욕좀 처먹어야 할놈은 맞음 ㅋㅋㅋ 흥행을 위해 이런것도 나쁘지 않지 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ I saw a screenshot before, and Idra is definitely a punk who needs to be drowned in some negative comments lol This isn't so bad for promotion though lololololol
잘했음 ㅋㅋㅋ 과하지도 않고 적당히 그렉 열받게 한듯 He did well lol. It wasn't extreme and I think he made Greg angry just appropriately
제니오 잘했어 ㅋㅋ 조금더 수위를 조절했었으면 좋았겠지만.. 이드라는 욕한번 먹어야해... Good job Zenio lol... it would have been nice if he controlled it a bit more... Idra is someone who definitely who needs to cursed out once...
굳 !! Good!!
퍽킹 김치맨 입에 달고사는놈 꺽어서 진짜 통쾌했다. 퍽킹 치즈맨이라고 햇으면 더 좋았을텐데.. 아주 잘했음 I was really satisfied because he beat this bastard who continually spews out "fucking Kimchi man" ... if he said "Fucking Cheeseman" it would have been even better... He did really well though
잘했다~ 그렉이 배넷에서 하는거 생각하면 과한것도 아니지 Good job~ If you think about the things Greg does in Battle.net it's not extreme at all
플레이도 아주 독창적이었고. 진짜 그렉필즈 비매너로 소문났는데 속이 다 시원하드라 His play was really innovative. And seriously, Greg Fields is known for being BM, so I was really satisfied with this
신난다 그렉 망할놈 This is exciting! Greg, you're going to fail
북미싸이트선 제니오 응원하네요 이드라 더때려패라고 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ북미서도 안좋아함 이드라 허세는 제니오 응원해야할판에 ㅉㅉㅉㅉ North American Sites are cheering for Zenio, saying to hit and beat up Idra more lololol no one likes him in NA too [T/N: Couldn't really translate the rest since it flows weirdly]
내가 북미사는데, 이 리그 애들도 아이드라 하면 존나 입더러운 새끼라고 그렇게 안좋아한다. 전에 누가 아이드라가 영웅이니 뭐니하는거 보고 지나가던 개가 다 웃겠다싶었음. 까여도 싼놈임. 계속 까라 I live in the NA, and people in the NA Leagues don't like Idra either saying that he's a bastard with a dirty mouth. When people were going around like Idra was some sort of hero, even all the dogs in the neighborhoods read it and laughed at him. He deserves everything he gets. I hope people keep BMing him
아이드라는 스1시절부터 비호감이었지 윤용태보고 발전투한다고 하던 놈인데 Idra was seriously worthless even since the SC1 days, he's some retard who claimed that Free couldn't fight with his units
그렉필즈는 당해도 쌈 Because it's Greg Fields, he deserves it.
ㅋㅋ 평소에 어떤식으로 했길래 방송에서 대놓고 복수까지 당함? ㅋㅋ rofl how the hell is he normally for someone to get revenge on him during broadcast? lol
아.. 제니오 호감이야.. 아이드라 이놈 진짜 제대로된 외국인 아니다.. 외국인도 좋은놈 나쁜놈 있다는거 확실히 깨달았다. Ah... Zenio... I love you. Idra this bastard is seriously a foreigner that has something wrong with him. I fully realized that there were bad and good foreigners because of him.
그랙 찌끄레기새끼 욕먹어도싸다솔직히 지가한짓을생각하면 Greg this piece of trash bastard, he deserves everything he gets honestly if you think about the shit he's done
인성을 갖춰야 할 인간은 그렉 필즈임~~~~넘의 나라에 와서 활동하면서 머하는 짓인지,,,,,,,ㅉㅉ The person who needs to start growing is Greg Fields~~~ What the hell is he doing, acting like that in someone else's country tsk tsk tsk
그랙새키 욕먹을 짓만 하고다니다 털리는꼴 보니 시원하네 ㅋㅋ 저놈은 좀털려야됨 개매너새키 ㅋ I'm quite satisfied after watching that bastard Greg after going around doing shit that would get him called out on finally get what he deserves lol that bastard needs to get roughed up a bit, that dog manner bastard lol
빌어먹을 양키 개/새끼 통쾌하다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 이드라 씹/매너 새/끼한텐 이런 세레머니가 제맛 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ That fucking Yankee son of a bitch I'm so happy he got what he deserves lololol This ceremony is best for bastards like Idra with shit manner
grack go home grack go home (yeah the person wrote in english)
This is actually pretty awesome. Im sure he has korean fans though. This is stirring up events it esports...we need events rather than just nerds in a booth
I think he deserves it, might put him in his place. I mean, look at the reputation he has got in Korea, obviously hes no low key character and needs to calm the fuck down.
On October 30 2010 11:35 ThePurist wrote: Grack juss doing his job. Haters gon hate' Korean people and their pride ~_~;
Idra does actually have a reputation for bm in Korea in the past during games while actually outside of game play he seems to be a very nice and courteous person.
On October 30 2010 11:38 zerious wrote: "Idra was seriously worthless even since the SC1 days, he's some retard who claimed that Free couldn't fight with his units"
What is this referring to?
I think I vaguely remember this for exactly what it reads. Not sure what particular game this was though...
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
On October 30 2010 11:38 zerious wrote: "Idra was seriously worthless even since the SC1 days, he's some retard who claimed that Free couldn't fight with his units"
On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote: wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing
not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro
he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant
nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible.
On October 30 2010 11:41 OreoBoi wrote: Well Jason Lee, you wanted a villain, you certainly got one now.
First of all, thanks for translating.
And Jason Lee's comment was fairly recent, Idra has had this reputation for ages. And about them being BM...
...when someone keeps being an asshole and gets put in his place (at least that's their view) you can expect those who hated him for his antics to be overjoyed. Someone starts talking shit about you and insults you for no reason while you did nothing to the said person, you just kept going about your business.
Finally you are fed up and tell them to shut up and fuck off.
Who is the bad mannered person in this situation and who was just reacting to the verbal abuse?
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
You've been an anti-fan since you got here. We don't let people disparage top caliber players no matter who they are.
Honestly, I don't see how you can possibly complain about moderation in comparison to IdrA's behavior since he's been banned most of this week. If you really don't like it that much, you should leave.
On October 30 2010 11:38 zerious wrote: "Idra was seriously worthless even since the SC1 days, he's some retard who claimed that Free couldn't fight with his units"
On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote: wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing
not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro
he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant
nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible.
This is what happens when you have a bad reputation and lose. Thanks for the translations, interesting to hear how random korean netizens think of idra. were there any defending idra, or did you just pick the negative ones?
On October 30 2010 11:48 FrostShadow wrote: This is what happens when you have a bad reputation and lose. Thanks for the translations, interesting to hear how random korean netizens think of idra. were there any defending idra, or did you just pick the negative ones?
There weren't any that defended idra, but there were some criticizing Zenio since they thought the ceremony was unnecessary regardless.
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
You've been an anti-fan since you got here. We don't let people disparage top caliber players no matter who they are.
Oh, is that against the rules? And tell me something slanderous I've said that wasn't true and echoed by even some of the other mods? You're the one who bmed me and several others because of your hurt fanboyish feelings. I've made no secret of my distaste for IdrA. Was that such a revelation? In fact, I didn't like him in BW either.
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
You've been an anti-fan since you got here. We don't let people disparage top caliber players no matter who they are.
Honestly, I don't see how you can possibly complain about moderation in comparison to IdrA's behavior since he's been banned most of this week. If you really don't like it that much, you should leave.
Lol. You're telling me to leave because I don't care for IdrA or his play? How are you a mod for this site? I wouldn't talk shit about other boards. IdrA said a bunch of shit way before that WeRRa incident that wasn't touched. He trolls people all the time. He has to cross a severe line that other people don't even sniff before they're banned.
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
You've been an anti-fan since you got here. We don't let people disparage top caliber players no matter who they are.
Oh, is that against the rules? And tell me something slanderous I've said that wasn't true and echoed by even some of the other mods? You're the one who bmed me and several others because of your hurt fanboyish feelings. I've made no secret of my distaste for IdrA. Was that such a revelation? In fact, I didn't like him in BW either.
1. I said the thread was full of idiots. Looking back I stand by the statement 100% 2. You haven't been punished for anything you said in that thread, so why are you complaining about it? You and I had a reasonable discussion about the number of matchups needed to be considered top level currently in SC2, but no one said shit like "Zenio is trash" or "Show those gooks how to play!"
omg hahaha that's so awesome. Even in Korea Grack's renowned for his shit manners. Totally deserving imho, kid needs to grow up and learn some respect.
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
You've been an anti-fan since you got here. We don't let people disparage top caliber players no matter who they are.
Oh, is that against the rules? And tell me something slanderous I've said that wasn't true and echoed by even some of the other mods? You're the one who bmed me and several others because of your hurt fanboyish feelings. I've made no secret of my distaste for IdrA. Was that such a revelation? In fact, I didn't like him in BW either.
1. I said the thread was full of idiots. Looking back I stand by the statement 100% 2. You haven't been punished for anything you said in that thread, so why are you complaining about it? You and I had a reasonable discussion about the number of matchups needed to be considered top level currently in SC2, but no one said shit like "Zenio is trash" or "Show those gooks how to play!"
You're being hyper aggressive for no reason.
Look. I'm willing to step back on this. I don't really get why we're at where we are but I'm not just going to sit back and take it from you. If you perceive me as being aggressive, it's because I took offense and said something about it. And this didn't help:
"I'm calling you idiots because you people don't understand SC2, This is blind anti-fanboyism that should be reserved for a site like Gosugamers, not TL. IdrA is one of the best players in the world, period" - Jibba
This is a direct reply to me. If you're standing by calling me an idiot, then I don't see how you're so much better than GosuGamers or any of the other boards I go to.
I haven't been punished yet, true. But then I don't think I've done anything wrong? Should I expect to be?
If I'm pushing some of your buttons on IdrA, I'm not sorry for that, but I'm not going to say anything personally offensive to you or even come close to it. How is throwing out the word "gook" going to help our discussion in any way no matter the connotation. Are you trying to get a rise out of me? Because I'm not going to respond to that and rise to the bait. You're going to have to live with that one.
he hasn't bmed in an actual game for the longest amount of time.
if you want everyone to act nice and modest like loner is you won't have any casual viewers. imagine fucking wwe except all the wrestlers say shit like "my opponent outperformed me and i'm lucky that i have won the fight).
and if you read his interviews he's actually a really passionate and cool guy
but saying if he deserved or didn't deserve netizen comments/the ceremony idk it's up you
On October 30 2010 11:35 ReketSomething wrote: This is actually pretty awesome. Im sure he has korean fans though. This is stirring up events it esports...we need events rather than just nerds in a booth
I agree, we need more people who bring personality to the game.
On October 30 2010 11:35 ReketSomething wrote: This is actually pretty awesome. Im sure he has korean fans though. This is stirring up events it esports...we need events rather than just nerds in a booth
I agree, we need more people who bring personality to the game.
I like Idra, people who are saying that he's BM should get a life. Every sport has a heel, and personality is actually a good thing especially compared to most the the 'names' with no personalities.
I hate watching no personality drone 1 vs no personality drone 2.
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
You've been an anti-fan since you got here. We don't let people disparage top caliber players no matter who they are.
Oh, is that against the rules? And tell me something slanderous I've said that wasn't true and echoed by even some of the other mods? You're the one who bmed me and several others because of your hurt fanboyish feelings. I've made no secret of my distaste for IdrA. Was that such a revelation? In fact, I didn't like him in BW either.
1. I said the thread was full of idiots. Looking back I stand by the statement 100% 2. You haven't been punished for anything you said in that thread, so why are you complaining about it? You and I had a reasonable discussion about the number of matchups needed to be considered top level currently in SC2, but no one said shit like "Zenio is trash" or "Show those gooks how to play!"
You're being hyper aggressive for no reason.
Look. I'm willing to step back on this. I don't really get why we're at where we are but I'm not just going to sit back and take it from you. If you perceive me as being aggressive, it's because I took offense and said something about it. And this didn't help:
"I'm calling you idiots because you people don't understand SC2, This is blind anti-fanboyism that should be reserved for a site like Gosugamers, not TL. IdrA is one of the best players in the world, period" - Jibba
This is a direct reply to me. If you're standing by calling me an idiot, then I don't see how you're so much better than GosuGamers or any of the other boards I go to
The accusation from you and the idiots in that thread is that IdrA is not a top level player. I pointed out that he lost a ZvZ and that his other matchups are still top tier, and you went off about that. I still stand by that, and had nothing negative to say about Zenio's ceremony nor did I try to disparage him in any way.. He's another top tier player and a better ZvZer through and through. I never even said IdrA didn't deserve it.
I haven't been punished yet, true. But then I don't think I've done anything wrong? Should I expect to be?
If I'm pushing some of your buttons on IdrA, I'm not sorry for that, but I'm not going to say anything personally offensive to you or even come close to it. How is throwing out the word "gook" going to help our discussion in any way no matter the connotation. Are you trying to get a rise out of me? Because I'm not going to respond to that and rise to the bait. You're going to have to live with that one.
Again, you're being incredibly defensive over very little. I said "gook" because it's analogous to the things the netizens say about IdrA.
On October 30 2010 11:35 ReketSomething wrote: This is actually pretty awesome. Im sure he has korean fans though. This is stirring up events it esports...we need events rather than just nerds in a booth
I agree, we need more people who bring personality to the game.
BM does not equate to personality
Do you want more of this?
"My teammates helped me practice for this match, I would like to thank them." "I'm going to give the winnings to my parents and buy my teammates dinner." "I will continue to practice as hard as I can for my fans."
I approve of both IdrA and Zenio. It brings some excitement to the sport. If they ever play again, there is going to be much more tension and excitement.
Clearly idra is really BM. If you guys think this is some sort of Korean pride thing you are wrong. Read what they are saying, "this guy bm me on ladder, etc etc"
Idra needs to clean up his shit talk, he clearly has no respect for people who are his level or better than him. (despite what GM comments "he says", the truth is seen through him)
Reading the Korean trash-talk about Idra is funny because in a weird way, it's still sort of well mannered. I can't quite put my finger on it, and maybe it's due to the translation, but at the least, I would conclude that Koreans have what I consider to be a very laughable way of trash talking. It's kind of what I would expect a twelve or thirteen year old to say, where they mix in curse words with tame insults to create something bizarre.
On October 30 2010 12:19 TadH wrote: On another note, is there a video of this ceremony, I cannot seem to find it.
On the front page in the spotlighted section, theres a spoilered picture in the interview between the winner of Idra and Zenio.
On another note I really don't think this is fair for all koreans to unanimously hate grack. Does he really deserve that? I mean.. surely he can't be the only bm person in korea. Wasn't FBH known for bm and rude ceremonies? Yet people seemed to ride his nutsack until he started sucking.. I don't understand all the hate.
On October 30 2010 11:35 ReketSomething wrote: This is actually pretty awesome. Im sure he has korean fans though. This is stirring up events it esports...we need events rather than just nerds in a booth
I agree, we need more people who bring personality to the game.
BM does not equate to personality
Do you want more of this?
"My teammates helped me practice for this match, I would like to thank them." "I'm going to give the winnings to my parents and buy my teammates dinner." "I will continue to practice as hard as I can for my fans."
I approve of both IdrA and Zenio. It brings some excitement to the sport. If they ever play again, there is going to be much more tension and excitement.
but he isn't doing anything cool when it counts. if idra did or said some awesome shit on tv, you'd have a point. but all he does is whine on bnet and apparently throw around racial slurs when he loses.
throw a keyboard or flip someone off, do something cool IRL plz. even when he wins, he's just like -_-. yeah, a real badass.
On October 30 2010 11:38 zerious wrote: "Idra was seriously worthless even since the SC1 days, he's some retard who claimed that Free couldn't fight with his units"
On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote: wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing
not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro
he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant
nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible.
Holy crap, I missed that before. Its one thing to be a "heel", and its another to be utterly disrespectful.
I still love IdrA and what they say won't change anything. IMO, we need more people like Greg that share their true feelings. It gets boring listening to the same pre-planned sound bites come out of every player's mouth.
On October 30 2010 12:23 Salv wrote: Reading the Korean trash-talk about Idra is funny because in a weird way, it's still sort of well mannered. I can't quite put my finger on it, and maybe it's due to the translation, but at the least, I would conclude that Koreans have what I consider to be a very laughable way of trash talking. It's kind of what I would expect a twelve or thirteen year old to say, where they mix in curse words with tame insults to create something bizarre.
it's 100% due to translation, lol. Try translating international trash talk, and it wont' end well unless the translator is really good at trash talking in both languages. I'm bad at trash talking in either languages ;P
i guess idra deserved it though.. non-asians are usually more accepting to trolls and BM, but i doubt countries like S.Korea will ever even tolerate that..
with a reputation like this, it's not gonna be good for him.. even if one day he did get a GSL champion (if), the koreans will not even look up to him at all
People trash talking trash talk with trash talk. I think this all means that people love trash talk, albeit on a subconscious level. Therefore, Idra fighting! I hope this rivalry continues and he makes zenio a spore crawler heart in a future game.
퍽킹 김치맨 입에 달고사는놈 꺽어서 진짜 통쾌했다. 퍽킹 치즈맨이라고 햇으면 더 좋았을텐데.. 아주 잘했음 I was really satisfied because he beat this bastard who continually spews out "fucking Kimchi man" ... if he said "Fucking Cheeseman" it would have been even better... He did really well though
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
You've been an anti-fan since you got here. We don't let people disparage top caliber players no matter who they are.
Oh, is that against the rules? And tell me something slanderous I've said that wasn't true and echoed by even some of the other mods? You're the one who bmed me and several others because of your hurt fanboyish feelings. I've made no secret of my distaste for IdrA. Was that such a revelation? In fact, I didn't like him in BW either.
1. I said the thread was full of idiots. Looking back I stand by the statement 100% 2. You haven't been punished for anything you said in that thread, so why are you complaining about it? You and I had a reasonable discussion about the number of matchups needed to be considered top level currently in SC2, but no one said shit like "Zenio is trash" or "Show those gooks how to play!"
You're being hyper aggressive for no reason.
Look. I'm willing to step back on this. I don't really get why we're at where we are but I'm not just going to sit back and take it from you. If you perceive me as being aggressive, it's because I took offense and said something about it. And this didn't help:
"I'm calling you idiots because you people don't understand SC2, This is blind anti-fanboyism that should be reserved for a site like Gosugamers, not TL. IdrA is one of the best players in the world, period" - Jibba
This is a direct reply to me. If you're standing by calling me an idiot, then I don't see how you're so much better than GosuGamers or any of the other boards I go to
The accusation from you and the idiots in that thread is that IdrA is not a top level player. I pointed out that he lost a ZvZ and that his other matchups are still top tier, and you went off about that. I still stand by that, and had nothing negative to say about Zenio's ceremony nor did I try to disparage him in any way.. He's another top tier player and a better ZvZer through and through. I never even said IdrA didn't deserve it.
I haven't been punished yet, true. But then I don't think I've done anything wrong? Should I expect to be?
If I'm pushing some of your buttons on IdrA, I'm not sorry for that, but I'm not going to say anything personally offensive to you or even come close to it. How is throwing out the word "gook" going to help our discussion in any way no matter the connotation. Are you trying to get a rise out of me? Because I'm not going to respond to that and rise to the bait. You're going to have to live with that one.
Again, you're being incredibly defensive over very little. I said "gook" because it's analogous to the things the netizens say about IdrA.
If you want to keep going on it, PM me.
A mod is throwing around the word "gook"? No wonder you back Idra's racist rants
On October 30 2010 11:35 ReketSomething wrote: This is actually pretty awesome. Im sure he has korean fans though. This is stirring up events it esports...we need events rather than just nerds in a booth
I agree, we need more people who bring personality to the game.
BM does not equate to personality
So you're saying Idra being a dick has nothing to do with his personality?
On October 30 2010 11:35 Hya___ wrote: U done well on the translations.
Idra's ego tend to talk a lot of shit, i still ask myself if he even enjoy playing this game anymore.
He takes the game seriously, so he gets mad when he loses. If you listen to state of the game, he's really enthusiastic about the game.
what if u do karate and get mad every time u lose? I think u'd be out of gyms to go to soon enough.
What do you mean? You get mad at the other guy and say he cheated or something, then everyone goes: "no he didn't" and you move on. I was just answering the question of does he enjoy sc2 or not. I think Idra still enjoys sc2, he just gets mad after losing.
On October 30 2010 11:34 Jibba wrote: If the netizens wrote like that in English, they'd be on GosuGamers.
And if they rode IdrA's nutsack, they'd be on TeamLiquid. This place is not much cleaner and it's not like the mods are consistent about bm. If you use IdrA as the standard, a lot of stuff should be allowed. It's hypocritical and a lot of IdrA fans probably use his behavior to justify their own.
You've been an anti-fan since you got here. We don't let people disparage top caliber players no matter who they are.
Oh, is that against the rules? And tell me something slanderous I've said that wasn't true and echoed by even some of the other mods? You're the one who bmed me and several others because of your hurt fanboyish feelings. I've made no secret of my distaste for IdrA. Was that such a revelation? In fact, I didn't like him in BW either.
1. I said the thread was full of idiots. Looking back I stand by the statement 100% 2. You haven't been punished for anything you said in that thread, so why are you complaining about it? You and I had a reasonable discussion about the number of matchups needed to be considered top level currently in SC2, but no one said shit like "Zenio is trash" or "Show those gooks how to play!"
You're being hyper aggressive for no reason.
Look. I'm willing to step back on this. I don't really get why we're at where we are but I'm not just going to sit back and take it from you. If you perceive me as being aggressive, it's because I took offense and said something about it. And this didn't help:
"I'm calling you idiots because you people don't understand SC2, This is blind anti-fanboyism that should be reserved for a site like Gosugamers, not TL. IdrA is one of the best players in the world, period" - Jibba
This is a direct reply to me. If you're standing by calling me an idiot, then I don't see how you're so much better than GosuGamers or any of the other boards I go to
The accusation from you and the idiots in that thread is that IdrA is not a top level player. I pointed out that he lost a ZvZ and that his other matchups are still top tier, and you went off about that. I still stand by that, and had nothing negative to say about Zenio's ceremony nor did I try to disparage him in any way.. He's another top tier player and a better ZvZer through and through. I never even said IdrA didn't deserve it.
I haven't been punished yet, true. But then I don't think I've done anything wrong? Should I expect to be?
If I'm pushing some of your buttons on IdrA, I'm not sorry for that, but I'm not going to say anything personally offensive to you or even come close to it. How is throwing out the word "gook" going to help our discussion in any way no matter the connotation. Are you trying to get a rise out of me? Because I'm not going to respond to that and rise to the bait. You're going to have to live with that one.
Again, you're being incredibly defensive over very little. I said "gook" because it's analogous to the things the netizens say about IdrA.
If you want to keep going on it, PM me.
A mod is throwing around the word "gook"? No wonder you back Idra's racist rants
I have no idea how actual trash talk started in this thread, but take it to PMs. Seriously.
On another note, the last netizen comment is definitely the most well written
On October 30 2010 11:35 ReketSomething wrote: This is actually pretty awesome. Im sure he has korean fans though. This is stirring up events it esports...we need events rather than just nerds in a booth
I agree, we need more people who bring personality to the game.
BM does not equate to personality
So you're saying Idra being a dick has nothing to do with his personality?
Right...
it's true, you have to meet him in person. he's pretty awesome IRL, his bm is mostly just for entertainment purposes in my eyes (definitely not for the receiving end though)
how can he be hated by so many when he doesn't even speak Korean AHAHAH wtf lol. Those forums sound like battle.net forums btw rofl. I don't think IdrA has done anything even close to backhanding on TV but this is much more entertaining that watching starcraft thats for sure.
People will hop on any bandwagon... especially on the internet. If the hate train leaves the station then it's all aboard. Once the hate starts, people will pile on and on fueling their own new found hatred. Most internet-based hatred is rather absurd, and while I understand how seriously some people can take things that occur online, at some point people have to learn to put things in perspective.
why do people take this bm so seriously? idra actually makes stuff interesting instead of hearing the same old canned junk like "blah blah my opponent prepared very well"
On October 30 2010 13:14 orgolove wrote: "greggy" in korean is a combination of greg and su-re-gi, or greg-trash. not "greggy" in the english sense.
Really? I genuinely thought they were teasing his name in a patronizing manner. =\
Yep, greggy = greg-trash in korean.
Same as how they called Savior Ma-reggy, or Ma-trash (after his last name) after his match fixing was revealed.
But honestly, Idra's a real boon to the scene. What other foreigner evokes this much response from Koreans? Before him, none in Korea even gave a single thought to Koreans. now they're at least discussing him - even if it's negative, I see it as miles of improvement.
its cool to act like assholes toward assholes. glad that Idra got what he deserved. the guy clearly has no natural talent at starcraft, he just should retire
On October 30 2010 13:31 iamho wrote: its cool to act like assholes toward assholes. glad that Idra got what he deserved. the guy clearly has no natural talent at starcraft, he just should retire
On October 30 2010 13:31 iamho wrote: its cool to act like assholes toward assholes. glad that Idra got what he deserved. the guy clearly has no natural talent at starcraft, he just should retire
I want somebody 1 day to describe to me a player who has "natural talent" at fucking starcraft and have any sort of evidence to back it up. I read these retarded comments about idra back in BW too. "Oh, he doesn't have any talent, he just works hard." Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
Your ability at SC relates to the time you put in and the understanding you gain from that time.
아이드라는 스1시절부터 비호감이었지 윤용태보고 발전투한다고 하던 놈인데 Idra was seriously worthless even since the SC1 days, he's some retard who claimed that Free couldn't fight with his units
비호감 actually means like a bad impression you have of someone and 호감 as a good impression. So when the guy said 아이드라는 스1시절부터 비호감이었지 He meant it as I had a bad impression of Idra from sc1.
Also to sort of clarify which actually makes it funnier the word the guy used to describe what Idra called Free's battle micro 발전투 is actually literally translated feet combat. Its a trendy term used online where they add the 발 which is feet to describe it like Free fights with his feet (he micros with his feet).
Just tiny things to add. Thanks for translating Milkis
On October 30 2010 13:31 iamho wrote: its cool to act like assholes toward assholes. glad that Idra got what he deserved. the guy clearly has no natural talent at starcraft, he just should retire
I want somebody 1 day to describe to me a player who has "natural talent" at fucking starcraft and have any sort of evidence to back it up. I read these retarded comments about idra back in BW too. "Oh, he doesn't have any talent, he just works hard." Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
Your ability at SC relates to the time you put in and the understanding you gain from that time.
Idra has put in as much time as the top players and failed pretty badly at both BW and SC2
On October 30 2010 13:31 iamho wrote: its cool to act like assholes toward assholes. glad that Idra got what he deserved. the guy clearly has no natural talent at starcraft, he just should retire
I want somebody 1 day to describe to me a player who has "natural talent" at fucking starcraft and have any sort of evidence to back it up. I read these retarded comments about idra back in BW too. "Oh, he doesn't have any talent, he just works hard." Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
Your ability at SC relates to the time you put in and the understanding you gain from that time.
Idra has put in as much time as the top players and failed pretty badly at both BW and SC2
Being the top foreigner in SC2 is failing pretty badly? What kind of fucking godly expectations do you have, for someone to be considered non-fail in SC2?
개멋지다 ㅅ.ㅂ 그레기 개매너새.끼 진짜 나도 한번 당했는데 면상 앞에 있었음 이미 날렸다 Zenio is super stylish. That fucking Greggy with manner suited for dogs, that bastard. I've been victimized once and if he was next to me I would have already thrown a punch.
...What the hell has Idra been doing on the ladder? I can almost feel the rage from this one and it's just a translation, I can't even imagine what these guys say to each other in person.
On October 30 2010 13:31 iamho wrote: its cool to act like assholes toward assholes. glad that Idra got what he deserved. the guy clearly has no natural talent at starcraft, he just should retire
I want somebody 1 day to describe to me a player who has "natural talent" at fucking starcraft and have any sort of evidence to back it up. I read these retarded comments about idra back in BW too. "Oh, he doesn't have any talent, he just works hard." Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
Your ability at SC relates to the time you put in and the understanding you gain from that time.
Idra has put in as much time as the top players and failed pretty badly at both BW and SC2
You mean being on a b-team and being in like the top 1% of BW players is failing? Believe it or not, Flash and Jaedong are not your average Starcraft pro. Also, IdrA might have been legitimately good enough to be on an A-team, but not CJ's as their roster was ridiculously, ridiculously deep with solid players (although limited greats). Look at some of the weaker players who had seen air time in BW on other teams and you'll see what I mean. (note: I'm clearly not suggesting IdrA was a god at BW and CJ was foolish for not having him on their A-team, but pretending he was bad at BW is simply ridiculous)
If you think he "failed pretty badly" at both then it only goes to prove the lengths you'll go in making yourself look like a fool while trying to discredit a good player. Stick with, "I don't like IdrA's attitude because he's a jackass.", the minute you get into an argument about skill is where the wheels will come off the bus.
The small amount of Koreans hating on IdrA are simply racist and angry that a non-Korean is succeeding in Korea. I'd like to see IdrA carry out some good ol' American justice and take a metaphorical dump on this scrub Zenio's progaming career.
On October 30 2010 13:36 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
I love when people say this as if intelligence and ability to multitask had no genetic component.
so you are saying that idra is too stupid to understand the game? I thought his analysis was great but im probably stupid to you too. It would be hard to prove that muscle memory (cerebellum) is lacking in IdrA esp seeing how he has easily one of the best mechanics around.
Dammit Idra. Us Americans can be assholes cuz we are dominant winners who will destroy anyone who oppose us. You can't show weakness by losing or else you will be torn apart like this. To recap: asshole who wins = good job representing us Americans. Asshole who loses = uhhhh don't use Idra to generalize about us Yankees plz.
On October 30 2010 13:36 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
I love when people say this as if intelligence and ability to multitask had no genetic component.
so you are saying that idra is too stupid to understand the game? I thought his analysis was great but im probably stupid to you too. It would be hard to prove that muscle memory (cerebellum) is lacking in IdrA esp seeing how he has easily one of the best mechanics around.
Idra's "naturally talented" but isn't at a Korean level, and he also practices less than Koreans and seems to have few practice partners (the "how to play zvz" tweet). It's a combination of all 3.
it would be so great if they had a rematch with idra winning and doing a counter ceremony. could you imagine the uproar if he gave a finger wag or something to zenio? ahhh gsl3 come faster
All of this just makes me support IdrA even more lol. I think some of this hatred is coming from Koreans that are mad a foreigner is succeeding. If IdrA plays Zenio again and wins, I really hope we see some FBH parading.
Anyone else feel sad that one of the main representatives of SC2 in the west is strongly disliked by Korea? IdrA is a really cool guy in his interveiws, but the Koreans don't get to experience that. An apology from IdrA would be nice, even if it would seem a bit fake. I don't know, it just seems that if he only has a few people he knows in Korea, he shouldn't want to further disconnect himself from the rest of them.
On October 30 2010 13:36 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
I love when people say this as if intelligence and ability to multitask had no genetic component.
so you are saying that idra is too stupid to understand the game? I thought his analysis was great but im probably stupid to you too. It would be hard to prove that muscle memory (cerebellum) is lacking in IdrA esp seeing how he has easily one of the best mechanics around.
Idra's "naturally talented" but isn't at a Korean level, and he also practices less than Koreans and seems to have few practice partners (the "how to play zvz" tweet). It's a combination of all 3.
What in IdrA's play makes you say that he doesn't practice enough? Sure, he likes that he doesn't have to grind 12 hours a day since he left CJ but it's not as if he's slacking off. If being "naturally talented" doesn't qualify as "Korean level," then please define what is "Korean level" and who satisfies this in SC2. Also, IdrA was obviously being sarcastic when he tweeted that message. I didn't think anyone would take it seriously.
On October 30 2010 13:36 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
I love when people say this as if intelligence and ability to multitask had no genetic component.
so you are saying that idra is too stupid to understand the game? I thought his analysis was great but im probably stupid to you too. It would be hard to prove that muscle memory (cerebellum) is lacking in IdrA esp seeing how he has easily one of the best mechanics around.
Idra's "naturally talented" but isn't at a Korean level, and he also practices less than Koreans and seems to have few practice partners (the "how to play zvz" tweet). It's a combination of all 3.
Wtf is a korean level? He is more accomplished than the average korean pro gamer. I guess your implying that koreans are naturally better than foreigners at starcraft (which is blasphemy around these parts). He lost because the zvz matchup is all about all in builds and oGs team comes up with the best builds around (artosis lol).
about the hardworking and talent part, i think this interview that artosis did will explain to many of you clearly what the koreans ( and some TL-ers) means.
This is an interview with SangHo who was in Estro at the same time with Idra. He also knew NoNy and here he compared the difference between the 2 of them.
To summarize : SangHo basically said Idra was very hardworking but NoNy was the one who he thought will become an A-teamer at Estro. Why? Partly talent but mostly because NoNy trained correctly. Meaning that he dared to ask for advice and share ideas while trying to bridge the communication gap. This probably meant also that IdrA largely kept to himself and did not do what NoNy did.
This is in my opinion why Korean progamers are so good. Not only because of the training regime, but also because they improve together while staying in a house and develop strategies together.
We can see how this put Idra at a disadvantage during GSL because he even had to train on single player while Zenio obviously has his whole team to train and formulate strategies with.
I like IdrA as a player and hope he can bounce back stronger. Maybe he can try to make friends with Sen and practice together.. I doubt he can practice much with Huk and Ret cos they are going to TL-oGs and it seems that oGs-Idra relationship is beyond repair.
Well first of all, Korean netizens are world-renowned for being terrible. People commit suicide because of their comments and they just keep on doing it. They almost killed SangHo. So I'd take anything they have to say with a grain of salt.
That being said, I would be surprised if Korean players BMing each other on live TV generates any comments along the lines of "he is a rude and unwelcome piece of dog trash". Maybe one of you can find some but I have a feeling they don't exist.
I knew that interview would surface when the conversation shifted... it always does. Nony was well liked by his teamates, so of course they'd talk highly of his abilities. Also, IdrA's success (read: large improvement) came from his time in CJ and not Estro.
"Natural Ability" is code word for being a good player because nobody wants to admit that simply dedicating yourself to insane hours is how you become good. You wont find anybody at a high level in any serious competition who takes a casual mindset to it and has large success (note: I'm sure there are a few rare examples, so don't bother).
eh. i feel like OP is a bit one-sided. plenty of IdrA fans (surprisingly) in Korea as well. I, for one, know for sure i wasn't the only one shouting "IdrA hwaiting" at the studio last thursday.
but yeah, i'm not surprised to see the response from other koreans. koreans root for koreans; ironically enough, though, we never seem to be able to cooperate when shit actually matters </gripe>.
IdrA is such a nice guy in real life, though. people would love him so much if it wasn't for the.. bm...
On October 30 2010 13:36 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Are people suggesting there is an SC gene?
I love when people say this as if intelligence and ability to multitask had no genetic component.
so you are saying that idra is too stupid to understand the game? I thought his analysis was great but im probably stupid to you too. It would be hard to prove that muscle memory (cerebellum) is lacking in IdrA esp seeing how he has easily one of the best mechanics around.
Idra's "naturally talented" but isn't at a Korean level, and he also practices less than Koreans and seems to have few practice partners (the "how to play zvz" tweet). It's a combination of all 3.
lol. This post is so fucking stupid. No idea what else to say about it.
Indeed. Note that i did not emphasize about the talent part at all but at the "well-liked" part that you mention as well.
If you are well-liked, chances are people will want to practice with you and share their strategies with you. No? The loss against Zenio came not because he has lesser skill but as Artosis pointed out, because he did not get sufficient practice / lack of strategies.
It's ok to be a character ( or a villain as Jason lee put it), but as the comments has shown as well as Zenio's reaction, there comes a point when it becomes counter-productive. Imagine if IdrA has been more courteous towards the werra clan in the past. He might get to train with CellaWerra for example ( just an example, can be anyone) and get some cool strats, especfially since Cella is interested in foreigner sc2 scene as well.
Some of you will say, but Cella is not nearly at IdrA skill level so he won't be of much help. Well, Rainbow said his TvZ is about 10 percent on Scrap and that his build against CheckPrime was taught/developed together with Cella.
Grack definitely deserved this. I was rooting for him as a non Korean but after learning the background, I'm glad he lost this way. Calling a Korean "fucking kimchi man" in Korea... I think these responses are mild and rather civilized. Can you guys picture what would happen if he was living in Mexico and called them "beaners"? Yah...
Anyway, he's managed to earn a bad reputation in two whole different cultures. Way to go. The main problem is that, while he is an excellent player, he's not up there with the very best. Hard to root for him when there's better, more interesting players out there that aren't morons.
On October 30 2010 15:52 kmkg wrote: Grack definitely deserved this. I was rooting for him as a non Korean but after learning the background, I'm glad he lost this way. Calling a Korean "fucking kimchi man" in Korea... I think these responses are mild and rather civilized. Can you guys picture what would happen if he was living in Mexico and called them "beaners"? Yah...
Anyway, he's managed to earn a bad reputation in two whole different cultures. Way to go. The main problem is that, while he is an excellent player, he's not up there with the very best. Hard to root for him when there's better, more interesting players out there that aren't morons.
TSL was the very best last GSL. They were eliminated handily. I don't know what you're basing "goodness" on, but it certainly couldn't be GSL 1 results.
It's OK to not like Idra, but to claim ANYONE (not just Idra) "isn't up there with the very best," you better at least have a list of said best and get people to agree. You won't find one at this stage in SC2. Goodness isn't going to be written in stone, BW style, any time soon.
On October 30 2010 15:52 kmkg wrote: Calling a Korean "fucking kimchi man" in Korea... I think these responses are mild and rather civilized. Can you guys picture what would happen if he was living in Mexico and called them "beaners"? Yah...
Do we even have a source on this? Or is it just a netizen comment?
On October 30 2010 15:52 kmkg wrote: Grack definitely deserved this. I was rooting for him as a non Korean but after learning the background, I'm glad he lost this way. Calling a Korean "fucking kimchi man" in Korea... I think these responses are mild and rather civilized. Can you guys picture what would happen if he was living in Mexico and called them "beaners"? Yah...
Anyway, he's managed to earn a bad reputation in two whole different cultures. Way to go. The main problem is that, while he is an excellent player, he's not up there with the very best. Hard to root for him when there's better, more interesting players out there that aren't morons.
TSL was the very best last GSL. They were eliminated handily. I don't know what you're basing "goodness" on, but it certainly couldn't be GSL 1 results.
It's OK to not like Idra, but to claim ANYONE (not just Idra) "isn't up there with the very best," you better at least have a list of said best and get people to agree. You won't find one at this stage in SC2. Goodness isn't going to be written in stone, BW style, any time soon.
GSL 1 and GSL 2 results. You can have the best mechanics or be the most hyped player but if you don't perform in the tourney with the largest pool of high level players then you have no claim. Because, you know, the best are the winners? As for TLO being the very best last season, I know what his reply would be.
On October 30 2010 15:52 kmkg wrote: Grack definitely deserved this. I was rooting for him as a non Korean but after learning the background, I'm glad he lost this way. Calling a Korean "fucking kimchi man" in Korea... I think these responses are mild and rather civilized. Can you guys picture what would happen if he was living in Mexico and called them "beaners"? Yah...
Anyway, he's managed to earn a bad reputation in two whole different cultures. Way to go. The main problem is that, while he is an excellent player, he's not up there with the very best. Hard to root for him when there's better, more interesting players out there that aren't morons.
TSL was the very best last GSL. They were eliminated handily. I don't know what you're basing "goodness" on, but it certainly couldn't be GSL 1 results.
It's OK to not like Idra, but to claim ANYONE (not just Idra) "isn't up there with the very best," you better at least have a list of said best and get people to agree. You won't find one at this stage in SC2. Goodness isn't going to be written in stone, BW style, any time soon.
GSL 1 and GSL 2 results. You can have the best mechanics or be the most hyped player but if you don't perform in the tourney with the largest pool of high level players then you have no claim. Because, you know, the best are the winners? As for TLO being the very best last season, I know what his reply would be.
TSL is a clan with members Cool, Clide, Sangho and Tester. You really don't know anything. I was not talking about TLO at all.
GSL S2 Ro8 FakeBoxeR (T) vs KyrixZenith (Z) NEXGenius (P) vs HopeTorture (T) NesTea (Z) vs oGsZenio (Z) SlayerSBoxeR (T) vs NaDa (T)
GSL S1 Ro8 LiveForever (T) vs Maka (T) Cool (Z) vs InCa (P) Tester (P) vs Rainbow (T) Ensnare (T) vs HongUn (P)
You're right, now we def have a list of the best players. Oh wait. They are completely different - ITR
Let's all live in your world where opinions are facts.
On October 30 2010 15:52 kmkg wrote: Grack definitely deserved this. I was rooting for him as a non Korean but after learning the background, I'm glad he lost this way. Calling a Korean "fucking kimchi man" in Korea... I think these responses are mild and rather civilized. Can you guys picture what would happen if he was living in Mexico and called them "beaners"? Yah...
Anyway, he's managed to earn a bad reputation in two whole different cultures. Way to go. The main problem is that, while he is an excellent player, he's not up there with the very best. Hard to root for him when there's better, more interesting players out there that aren't morons.
TSL was the very best last GSL. They were eliminated handily. I don't know what you're basing "goodness" on, but it certainly couldn't be GSL 1 results.
It's OK to not like Idra, but to claim ANYONE (not just Idra) "isn't up there with the very best," you better at least have a list of said best and get people to agree. You won't find one at this stage in SC2. Goodness isn't going to be written in stone, BW style, any time soon.
GSL 1 and GSL 2 results. You can have the best mechanics or be the most hyped player but if you don't perform in the tourney with the largest pool of high level players then you have no claim. Because, you know, the best are the winners? As for TLO being the very best last season, I know what his reply would be.
TSL is a clan with members Cool, Clide, Sangho and Tester. You really don't know anything. I was not talking about TLO at all.
GSL S2 Ro8 FakeBoxeR (T) vs KyrixZenith (Z) NEXGenius (P) vs HopeTorture (T) NesTea (Z) vs oGsZenio (Z) SlayerSBoxeR (T) vs NaDa (T)
GSL S1 Ro8 LiveForever (T) vs Maka (T) Cool (Z) vs InCa (P) Tester (P) vs Rainbow (T) Ensnare (T) vs HongUn (P)
You're right, now we def have a list of the best players. Oh wait. They are completely different - ITR
Let's all live in your world where opinions are facts.
I'm pretty surprised that HopeTorture is the only person from the last Round of 8 to make it to this round of 8... (HopeTorture = Rainbow) I would have expected Cool more, and Tester, and Inca.
On October 30 2010 15:52 kmkg wrote: Grack definitely deserved this. I was rooting for him as a non Korean but after learning the background, I'm glad he lost this way. Calling a Korean "fucking kimchi man" in Korea... I think these responses are mild and rather civilized. Can you guys picture what would happen if he was living in Mexico and called them "beaners"? Yah...
Anyway, he's managed to earn a bad reputation in two whole different cultures. Way to go. The main problem is that, while he is an excellent player, he's not up there with the very best. Hard to root for him when there's better, more interesting players out there that aren't morons.
TSL was the very best last GSL. They were eliminated handily. I don't know what you're basing "goodness" on, but it certainly couldn't be GSL 1 results.
It's OK to not like Idra, but to claim ANYONE (not just Idra) "isn't up there with the very best," you better at least have a list of said best and get people to agree. You won't find one at this stage in SC2. Goodness isn't going to be written in stone, BW style, any time soon.
GSL 1 and GSL 2 results. You can have the best mechanics or be the most hyped player but if you don't perform in the tourney with the largest pool of high level players then you have no claim. Because, you know, the best are the winners? As for TLO being the very best last season, I know what his reply would be.
TSL is a clan with members Cool, Clide, Sangho and Tester. You really don't know anything. I was not talking about TLO at all.
GSL S2 Ro8 FakeBoxeR (T) vs KyrixZenith (Z) NEXGenius (P) vs HopeTorture (T) NesTea (Z) vs oGsZenio (Z) SlayerSBoxeR (T) vs NaDa (T)
GSL S1 Ro8 LiveForever (T) vs Maka (T) Cool (Z) vs InCa (P) Tester (P) vs Rainbow (T) Ensnare (T) vs HongUn (P)
You're right, now we def have a list of the best players. Oh wait. They are completely different - ITR
Let's all live in your world where opinions are facts.
I'm pretty surprised that HopeTorture is the only person from the last Round of 8 to make it to this round of 8... (HopeTorture = Rainbow) I would have expected Cool more, and Tester, and Inca.
I'm not surprised at all, the game is brand new and we had a critical patch mid tournament. To hand out "best of the best" certificates at this stage of the game is just blatantly retarded. The only "measurement of goodness" that we have so far is two top 8 placements.
How can anyone go off and say that any GSL contender is genuinely better than any else? It's still open season until we at least have all of the Code S and Code A players.
how is he trashtalking them? i can see him calling people noobs on the ladder since he prolly knows the korean word for that or they know enough english. i don't get how he'd give out full verbal lashings w/ the language barrier being there
The only funny thing about this is that people legitimately believe anyone would be even slightly offended by someone flailing an arm in their general direction that they probably didn't even see until it was plastered all over the forums in an animated GIF.
If this is actual representative for the mainstream of comments there... wow he must have quite made a (negative) impact. Then I guess you reap what you saw.
On October 30 2010 16:36 Raisauce wrote: Greg you're awesome. Just remember... Haters gonna hate. I don't care what anyone says, that gesture by Zenio was uncalled for.
Yea. I mean...it's not like Idra insulted both him, his team leader and his clan. And he most definitely didn't BM random Koreans on the ladder and god knows Idra is a quiet, humble guy who never trashtalked or insulted anyone out of the blue or put good players down because of his overinflated ego.
How dares Zenio do this to poor little Idra!? THE BASTARD! *shakes fist*
There are two things you can't deny about Idra, regardless if you like him or not:
a) He is a great player
b) He has no manners, is an internet warrior and has an ego the size of a celestial object.
So please, don't pull the victim card with him. Love him or hate him he is what he is, at least acknowledge that. People who deny his skills are blind but so are the people who keep defending his every action. Little objectivity never harmed anyone.
On October 30 2010 22:04 Grettin wrote: ^ idra has enough manners where he needs them. none cares if hes acting like a fucking child in a forum or internet
I see. So he decides when he needs to be a bad mannered spoiled child and when he is going to be a nice guy?
Unfortunately life doesn't work that way, people don't shift trough different modes of behavior and then expect others to treat them according to the mode.
And apparently Koreans do care. So do TL-ers who dislike him. And he was banned last week anyway. The ones who really don't care are his fanboys.
What typical internet warriors don't understand that is Internet is just another way for people to communicate. There isn't much difference between being an asshole online and being an asshole in person. You are just that same asshole, except you have the benefit of not being seen while you are acting like one. It's not a separate planet or a separate reality.
On October 30 2010 22:04 Grettin wrote: ^ idra has enough manners where he needs them. none cares if hes acting like a fucking child in a forum or internet
What typical internet warriors don't understand that is Internet is just another way for people to communicate. There isn't much difference between being an asshole online and being an asshole in person. You are just that same asshole, except you have the benefit of not being seen while you are acting like one. It's not a separate planet or a separate reality.
Seems like Idra is covering that up pretty well then.
On October 30 2010 22:04 Grettin wrote: ^ idra has enough manners where he needs them. none cares if hes acting like a fucking child in a forum or internet
What typical internet warriors don't understand that is Internet is just another way for people to communicate. There isn't much difference between being an asshole online and being an asshole in person. You are just that same asshole, except you have the benefit of not being seen while you are acting like one. It's not a separate planet or a separate reality.
Seems like Idra is covering that up pretty well then.
No, he is not. If he was, he wouldn't be so disliked all over the place by so many people. He would be well loved and respected. Guess what? Actions have consequences.
He has great skills and is one of the few foreigners that can compete with Koreans. The only reason he is disliked is his behavior. Simple as that. So no, he isn't fooling anyone or covering up anything.
On October 30 2010 22:04 Grettin wrote: ^ idra has enough manners where he needs them. none cares if hes acting like a fucking child in a forum or internet
What typical internet warriors don't understand that is Internet is just another way for people to communicate. There isn't much difference between being an asshole online and being an asshole in person. You are just that same asshole, except you have the benefit of not being seen while you are acting like one. It's not a separate planet or a separate reality.
Seems like Idra is covering that up pretty well then.
No, he is not. If he was, he wouldn't be so disliked all over the place by so many people. He would be well loved and respected. Guess what? Actions have consequences.
He has great skills and is one of the few foreigners that can compete with Koreans. The only reason he is disliked is his behavior. Simple as that. So no, he isn't fooling anyone or covering up anything.
Really, because what ive seen in a past tournaments or podcasts, hes been well mannered?(still the same idra in forums though, but really doesn't mean anything Imo.)
Most of the people still dislikes him because of the behavior in Beta and broodwar times. But now he has showed pretty much the opposite. OR hes covering that up well, as i said earlier.
You said that there isn't much difference being an asshole online and being an asshole in person. Somehow this doesn't fit here right know. I know many people whos acting like a fucking douche in Internet etc, but they are not the same in person. To friends nor strangers. And i seriously doubt Idra is anyway near anyway.
But you are right with the reason why he is disliked and that is true.
E: and to your incoming fanboy card. I just like Idras playstyle, thats why i watch his games. I dont really care about else. Just sick of the constant 'idra has no manners' shit in every thread.
On October 30 2010 22:04 Grettin wrote: ^ idra has enough manners where he needs them. none cares if hes acting like a fucking child in a forum or internet
What typical internet warriors don't understand that is Internet is just another way for people to communicate. There isn't much difference between being an asshole online and being an asshole in person. You are just that same asshole, except you have the benefit of not being seen while you are acting like one. It's not a separate planet or a separate reality.
Seems like Idra is covering that up pretty well then.
No, he is not. If he was, he wouldn't be so disliked all over the place by so many people. He would be well loved and respected. Guess what? Actions have consequences.
He has great skills and is one of the few foreigners that can compete with Koreans. The only reason he is disliked is his behavior. Simple as that. So no, he isn't fooling anyone or covering up anything.
Really, because what ive seen in a past tournaments or podcasts, hes been well mannered?(still the same idra in forums though, but really doesn't mean anything Imo.)
Most of the people still dislikes him because of the behavior in Beta and broodwar times. But now he has showed pretty much the opposite. OR hes covering that up well, as i said earlier.
You said that there isn't much difference being an asshole online and being an asshole in person. Somehow this doesn't fit here right know. I know many people whos acting like a fucking douche in Internet etc, but they are not the same in person. To friends nor strangers. And i seriously doubt Idra is anyway near anyway.
But you are right with the reason why he is disliked and that is true.
E: and to your incoming fanboy card. I just like Idras playstyle, thats why i watch his games. I dont really care about else. Just sick of the constant 'idra has no manners' shit in every thread.
Didn't plan on calling you a fanboy. A fanboy is somebody who blindly defends his favorite, completely ignoring everything else. You don't seem to fit the description.
He has been well mannered in tournaments and podcasts but apparently that didn't spill over onto the internet. Look at the Korean comments and to what most of it applies. His Internet behavior. Not to mention that comment he made in a WeRRa disband topic about a subject that people really shouldn't treat as a joke. Those things are funny/cool when you are young or immature.
There isn't a difference in a sense that a lot of people think that Internet is a separate entity and somehow not connected to the real world. It's quite the opposite, if you were an asshole online you remain that same asshole offline, it's just that you are too afraid to behave that way because consequences can range from being kicked out of somewhere to getting your ass kicked to a bloody pulp if you piss of the wrong person.
Internet provides safety and anonymity for people who are too cowardly to show their assholish side in person. At least people who are assholes anywhere aren't hypocrites.
People also really, really shouldn't use the excuse "oh he loses games on the internet, he gets angry, it's normal for him to rage etc etc". He loses games on stage as well and to people he considers to be beneath him. Does he go into a tantrum yelling at them, throwing his keyboard around or showing any hints of his Internet persona? He quietly GG's with the same expression he has when winning.
I agree on the Werra disband 'joke' and the excuse part. And i'm sorry, i didn't pay that much attention to the comments (about internet behavior etc).
But i think all comes to this, what seems to be very true:
He has been well mannered in tournaments and podcasts but apparently that didn't spill over onto the internet.
So lets hope his mannerism is moving towards what it should be. Maybe that changes Idra's image in the future.
Bunch of dicksuckers talking shit on the internet, only thing that's different is these dicksuckers have slanted eyes. Don't see why anybody would really want to translate this horse-shit.
On October 30 2010 23:54 Goatlust wrote: Bunch of dicksuckers talking shit on the internet, only thing that's different is these dicksuckers have slanted eyes. Don't see why anybody would really want to translate this horse-shit.
yeah, instead the OP could have translated one of the GSL interviews with NaDa or Boxer instead!!!!
Wow. The gamers appear so good mannered in public and on stage, but behind the scenes they are som vile people. The hero in this is Greg Fields. Fighting Greg don't give up!
i hope idra wins the next gsl and then stands up and yells KIMCHI EZ GAME or some shit, just to offend everyone. then the whole crowd starts booing and idra starts dancing yelling "AMERICA WIN, AMERICA WIN"
Woah thats quite the bit of crazy comments there. I dont think Idra deserves all this crazy bashing. Seems to me they are even more BM than him. I mean come on, Idra did improve his public image from what I saw from him. ugh :/
On October 31 2010 02:08 travis wrote: i hope idra wins the next gsl and then stands up and yells KIMCHI EZ GAME or some shit, just to offend everyone. then the whole crowd starts booing and idra starts dancing yelling "AMERICA WIN, AMERICA WIN"
rofl.
I swear I was thinking the same thing. These people think they have justice. Just wait for idra's next ceremony lol.
Lol, those haters never cross on idra, probably never will. IdrA is still better than all those stupid netizens combined (I rooted for Zenio on that one, because I like his playstyle and funky moves).
Milkis you did a pretty good job in translating for someone who claims to be bad at trash talking lol.
My opinion is that all of this BM going back and forth is good for development of e-sports (SC2-wise). As many of you have mentioned here and in interview translation threads, we don't want any more of "I will try my best, thanks to my practice partners, I practiced really hard, thank you coach, I got lucky since I had better strategy" cliche. Instead we want drama, we want strong and unique characters, we want it to get personal.
That's where IdrA comes in. He is bringing hate and initiating a whole chain of love-and-hate drama around SC2 e-sports in Korea. Isn't it awesome? Instead of relying on the fanbase to create artificial rivalries, we can get them naturally from players being fueled by each other's BM.
Screw arguing about skills and talent and stuff, just sit back and lol @ the drama.
[QUOTE]On October 30 2010 11:45 GTR wrote: [QUOTE]On October 30 2010 11:38 zerious wrote: "Idra was seriously worthless even since the SC1 days, he's some retard who claimed that Free couldn't fight with his units"
What is this referring to?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote: [QUOTE]On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote: [QUOTE]On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote: [QUOTE]On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote: wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing[/QUOTE] not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro [/QUOTE]
he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant [/QUOTE] nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. [/QUOTE]
if free is terrible what the hell is he ?? :S and lol at poll results xD
If you like throwing shit around dont get suprised if someone flings it back at you. Had he done that ceremony to TLO i would be upset but at Idra it is okay, and i really like Idra's play, if not his character.
you guys think its funny or entertaining, however the insults in korean are obviously more serious to the koreans and they take it to heart, especially since they already think Grack is disrespectful. Being a complete childish racist is not funny, and no1 has the right to criticize people's play who are infinitely better than you. He should just grow up already, he's nothing amazing get over yourself.
On October 31 2010 02:08 travis wrote: i hope idra wins the next gsl and then stands up and yells KIMCHI EZ GAME or some shit, just to offend everyone. then the whole crowd starts booing and idra starts dancing yelling "AMERICA WIN, AMERICA WIN"
I imagined that... and mixed it with FBH's pelvic thrusts.
On October 31 2010 02:08 travis wrote: i hope idra wins the next gsl and then stands up and yells KIMCHI EZ GAME or some shit, just to offend everyone. then the whole crowd starts booing and idra starts dancing yelling "AMERICA WIN, AMERICA WIN"
rofl.
I swear I was thinking the same thing. These people think they have justice. Just wait for idra's next ceremony lol.
can i get a link of idra doing any ceremony? or you mean ceremony as in -_- packing up my keyboard and mouse so i can go home and bm on my computer.
On October 31 2010 02:53 OpticalShot wrote: Milkis you did a pretty good job in translating for someone who claims to be bad at trash talking lol.
My opinion is that all of this BM going back and forth is good for development of e-sports (SC2-wise). As many of you have mentioned here and in interview translation threads, we don't want any more of "I will try my best, thanks to my practice partners, I practiced really hard, thank you coach, I got lucky since I had better strategy" cliche. Instead we want drama, we want strong and unique characters, we want it to get personal.
That's where IdrA comes in. He is bringing hate and initiating a whole chain of love-and-hate drama around SC2 e-sports in Korea. Isn't it awesome? Instead of relying on the fanbase to create artificial rivalries, we can get them naturally from players being fueled by each other's BM.
Screw arguing about skills and talent and stuff, just sit back and lol @ the drama.
In Korea though, that is expected. Different cultures have different opinions of what they expect. In Korea they would expect the bolded text, in America, there is a greater tendency to love the trash-talkers, controversy-stirrers (a la Chad Johnson, T.O, etc.)
On October 30 2010 12:40 kaleidoscope wrote: i guess idra deserved it though.. non-asians are usually more accepting to trolls and BM, but i doubt countries like S.Korea will ever even tolerate that..
with a reputation like this, it's not gonna be good for him.. even if one day he did get a GSL champion (if), the koreans will not even look up to him at all
lol, you are so wrong. Korean netizens are trolls themselves. If you follow Kpop then you know what I mean. Korean netizens often bitch and complain about the smallest shit even if they don't agree since they follow the majority of the other trolls.
I an IdrA fan and I personally think it's funny how Zenio acted at the end of the game. IdrA deserved it obviously, but this will just drive IdrA to practice more, so he can take the title at MLG Dallas.
If you guys honestly think that IdrA acts like a total dick IRL then you're wrong. Some people act differently online to psyche out their opponents. It is nerd rage most of the time, but it's more of a gamer persona than their actual attitude.
While i like players that do ceremonies and trolling, i'm not sure Greg is worthy of all the koreans' spite. He's been fairly respectable to other koreans (comparatively, maybe exempting a few posts), and they flame him rather needlessly. However, they are korean netizens, and with their reputation for trolling, i'm not sure i'm very surprised.
On October 30 2010 12:40 kaleidoscope wrote: i guess idra deserved it though.. non-asians are usually more accepting to trolls and BM, but i doubt countries like S.Korea will ever even tolerate that..
with a reputation like this, it's not gonna be good for him.. even if one day he did get a GSL champion (if), the koreans will not even look up to him at all
lol, you are so wrong. Korean netizens are trolls themselves. If you follow Kpop then you know what I mean. Korean netizens often bitch and complain about the smallest shit even if they don't agree since they follow the majority of the other trolls.
I an IdrA fan and I personally think it's funny how Zenio acted at the end of the game. IdrA deserved it obviously, but this will just drive IdrA to practice more, so he can take the title at MLG Dallas.
If you guys honestly think that IdrA acts like a total dick IRL then you're wrong. Some people act differently online to psyche out their opponents. It is nerd rage most of the time, but it's more of a gamer persona than their actual attitude.
i've seen Idra IRL before though.. he's fine as a person, but well, having made nasty comments still wont render u any form of respect though..
On October 31 2010 02:08 travis wrote: i hope idra wins the next gsl and then stands up and yells KIMCHI EZ GAME or some shit, just to offend everyone. then the whole crowd starts booing and idra starts dancing yelling "AMERICA WIN, AMERICA WIN"
That was the greatest image in my head ever. Thank you.
EDIT: Although the people saying they hope Idra wins GSL, not gonna happen as long as he has to play any ZvZ. And to be honest, at GSL he has yet to beat anyone noteworthy, and in season 1 lost to a no-namer. His road to Ro16 in both seasons has been astonishingly easy.
Anyway this is really bad for Idra. He is becoming increasing isolated from the korean community and his fellow progamers.
oGs as a team has done very well in the GSL. This is because they have the support of the team where high-level players help each other out to win matches. Idra meanwhile has only Artosis or other weaker US players. No matter how much talent Idra has, he still needs a team and maybe coaches to help develop his skill.
I really wish Idra had joined oGs or TL instead of team EG.
On November 01 2010 00:05 vnlegend wrote: Kimchi is spicy cabbage.
Anyway this is really bad for Idra. He is becoming increasing isolated from the korean community and his fellow progamers.
oGs as a team has done very well in the GSL. This is because they have the support of the team where high-level players help each other out to win matches. Idra meanwhile has only Artosis or other weaker US players. No matter how much talent Idra has, he still needs a team and maybe coaches to help develop his skill.
I really wish Idra had joined oGs or TL instead of team EG.
He BM'd some of the oGs players so I doubt either team would have him
On November 01 2010 00:05 vnlegend wrote: Kimchi is spicy cabbage.
Anyway this is really bad for Idra. He is becoming increasing isolated from the korean community and his fellow progamers.
oGs as a team has done very well in the GSL. This is because they have the support of the team where high-level players help each other out to win matches. Idra meanwhile has only Artosis or other weaker US players. No matter how much talent Idra has, he still needs a team and maybe coaches to help develop his skill.
I really wish Idra had joined oGs or TL instead of team EG.
He BM'd some of the oGs players so I doubt either team would have him
He could see if the new werra clan would have him? ^_^
On November 01 2010 00:05 vnlegend wrote: Kimchi is spicy cabbage.
Anyway this is really bad for Idra. He is becoming increasing isolated from the korean community and his fellow progamers.
oGs as a team has done very well in the GSL. This is because they have the support of the team where high-level players help each other out to win matches. Idra meanwhile has only Artosis or other weaker US players. No matter how much talent Idra has, he still needs a team and maybe coaches to help develop his skill.
I really wish Idra had joined oGs or TL instead of team EG.
He BM'd some of the oGs players so I doubt either team would have him
He could see if the new werra clan would have him? ^_^
Idra really sucks against cheese and all-ins, so him joining werra would be pretty bad. He'd just get raped all the time
On November 01 2010 00:05 vnlegend wrote: Kimchi is spicy cabbage.
Anyway this is really bad for Idra. He is becoming increasing isolated from the korean community and his fellow progamers.
oGs as a team has done very well in the GSL. This is because they have the support of the team where high-level players help each other out to win matches. Idra meanwhile has only Artosis or other weaker US players. No matter how much talent Idra has, he still needs a team and maybe coaches to help develop his skill.
I really wish Idra had joined oGs or TL instead of team EG.
He BM'd some of the oGs players so I doubt either team would have him
He could see if the new werra clan would have him? ^_^
Idra really sucks against cheese and all-ins, so him joining werra would be pretty bad. He'd just get raped all the time
here we have one person who really doesn't watch Idras matches at all.
idra is pretty solid with cheeses and all ins nowadays fyi.
On November 01 2010 00:05 vnlegend wrote: Kimchi is spicy cabbage.
Anyway this is really bad for Idra. He is becoming increasing isolated from the korean community and his fellow progamers.
oGs as a team has done very well in the GSL. This is because they have the support of the team where high-level players help each other out to win matches. Idra meanwhile has only Artosis or other weaker US players. No matter how much talent Idra has, he still needs a team and maybe coaches to help develop his skill.
I really wish Idra had joined oGs or TL instead of team EG.
He BM'd some of the oGs players so I doubt either team would have him
He could see if the new werra clan would have him? ^_^
Idra really sucks against cheese and all-ins, so him joining werra would be pretty bad. He'd just get raped all the time
here we have one person who really doesn't watch Idras matches at all.
idra is pretty solid with cheeses and all ins nowadays fyi.
oh right sorry i forgot he got knocked out of both GSL's with standard macro play
On November 01 2010 02:55 Grettin wrote: hahaha, those games sure were such a all-ins and cheeses. get a grip.
zenio himself called em allins. whatshisface that protoss dude also said one of his builds was an allin, and the other depended on not being scouted yeeaah sure sounds like straight up macro skillbased games to me bro
On November 01 2010 02:55 Grettin wrote: hahaha, those games sure were such a all-ins and cheeses. get a grip.
zenio himself called em allins. whatshisface that protoss dude also said one of his builds was an allin, and the other depended on not being scouted yeeaah sure sounds like straight up macro skillbased games to me bro
ZvZ is always one basing shit.
The only play in the season 1 games what you can somewhat call ALL IN was that proxy stargate, and even that was just a counter to idra's build.
yeaah, sure sounds like you know something about this game bro.
On November 01 2010 02:55 Grettin wrote: hahaha, those games sure were such a all-ins and cheeses. get a grip.
zenio himself called em allins. whatshisface that protoss dude also said one of his builds was an allin, and the other depended on not being scouted yeeaah sure sounds like straight up macro skillbased games to me bro
ZvZ is always one basing shit.
The only play in the season 1 games what you can somewhat call ALL IN was that proxy stargate, and even that was just a counter to idra's build.
yeaah, sure sounds like you know something about this game bro.
zenio called his builds all-in HIMSELF. so are you saying hes wrong?
Q: How do you feel about beating IdrA? A: I think it’s very hard to win ZvZ with standard strategies. So I choose all-in and it works. So glad I won.
I never said he lost all his games because of it. I said he sucks against it. Which is pretty much true, even if he is better then a lot of other players at defending it, it is the weak point of his game, you cant deny that. And yeah i think its pretty cheesy to rely on your opponent not scouting to win. Its not like 'oh well he woulda been fine if the expansion was scouted it just woulda been harder to win' you must agree that if idra had scouted that expansion he woulda won 100%. Thats a coin flip to me and not really solid play.
So ling+banelings with one base ain't "all-in" then?
I dont know what is or isnt allin in zvz since I dont play it often, I was simply basing it off the fact that everyone in the LR thread said he all-ined and zenio himself said he all-ined
On November 01 2010 08:02 Entropic wrote: IdrA BM still getting everyone's panties up in a bunch, all is right with the world. I was worried he was starting to manner up (seriously).
Something people should bring up more as well As the Free comment: That he actually thought Battle Royale would be heavily T favoured and no Z's would ever get sent out there.
Oh and it still makes me laugh that people claim players don't show any emotion so it's good IdrA talks a lot of shit and BMs. Have you even seen the guy play a game? He's an awkward nerd with zero charisma who just shit talks behind a keyboard. Calling people fags and saying how bad they are is not showing personality or anything cool at all, it's being a dick. It's not like hes even funny, he literally is just an angry dickhead who can't stand losing even when it's his own fault.
And yet more IdrA supporters who signed up in 2010 whining about how its good theres people like him. No. People like Mondragon who are nice guys, will have reasonable discussions about the game and have some actual social skill are good representatives for us (and he's known in Korea). Even Nony who's known to be BM is a far far better representative. You must be seriously immature if you think it's good we have our main foreign player as a whiny baby who cries after every loss and is rude to even the biggest most successful players. He once called 3 time OSL winner July a fag after losing to him on ICCUP. And you think this is a good thing? There's plenty of korean gamers with good personalities, watch an OSL/MSL selection ceremony sometime. Some are shy nerds because they are just kids.
On October 30 2010 13:57 I_Love_Bacon wrote: You mean being on a b-team and being in like the top 1% of BW players is failing? Believe it or not, Flash and Jaedong are not your average Starcraft pro. Also, IdrA might have been legitimately good enough to be on an A-team, but not CJ's as their roster was ridiculously, ridiculously deep with solid players (although limited greats). Look at some of the weaker players who had seen air time in BW on other teams and you'll see what I mean. (note: I'm clearly not suggesting IdrA was a god at BW and CJ was foolish for not having him on their A-team, but pretending he was bad at BW is simply ridiculous) .
He wasn't good enough to be on any A-Team, that's why he lost in both Dream league matches he played and lost every OSL/MSL qualification match except in the last one. CJ isn't deep enough that he couldn't even make a Dream League spot consistently. Nothing indicates he was legitimately good enough at all and i think you could make a pretty strong argument that he is infact lacking in natural talent at SC compared to someone like Nony, who won TSL2 fairly easily after a long break. IdrA was still only winning about 60% of games against Ret, despite playing 12 hours a day in a T favoured matchup. I can't say i ever saw a genuinely impressive BW IdrA game. All i saw was almost 100% standard macro builds against inferior foreign players who played less and therefore had less mechanically ability. It's just unfortunate we didn't have time to get some kids out in Korea with real natural talent like Kolll or Morrow, or intelligent players like F91.
Now he's got a headstart in SC2 everyone seems to assume he's now actually a good player, yet he still suffers from the exact same faults. I wouldn't be surprised about a RO64 exit next tournament depending on the brackets then eventually a non-qualification as players with skill other than mechanics take over.
On November 01 2010 08:51 infinity2k9 wrote: Oh and it still makes me laugh that people claim players don't show any emotion so it's good IdrA talks a lot of shit and BMs. Have you even seen the guy play a game? He's an awkward nerd with zero charisma who just shit talks behind a keyboard. Calling people fags and saying how bad they are is not showing personality or anything cool at all, it's being a dick. It's not like hes even funny, he literally is just an angry dickhead who can't stand losing even when it's his own fault.
And yet more IdrA supporters who signed up in 2010 whining about how its good theres people like him. No. People like Mondragon who are nice guys, will have reasonable discussions about the game and have some actual social skill are good representatives for us (and he's known in Korea). Even Nony who's known to be BM is a far far better representative. You must be seriously immature if you think it's good we have our main foreign player as a whiny baby who cries after every loss and is rude to even the biggest most successful players. He once called 3 time OSL winner July a fag after losing to him on ICCUP. And you think this is a good thing? There's plenty of korean gamers with good personalities, watch an OSL/MSL selection ceremony sometime. Some are shy nerds because they are just kids.
United kingdom speaking. (Clueless, know-it-all thinking, having no actual idea whats happening in the world, trying to sound clever and thinking of arguments that are out dated and incorrect, etc. )
Now I do not want to get warned again, so let me elaborate.
Where is he an awkward nerd with zero charisma? Have you ever actually heard him anywhere? Some of artosis's interviews, his casting on GSL, state of the game podcast, anything will prove that opinion to be very wrong.
Also, he does not just shit talk behind a keyboard. Yes, he shit talks, but why the hell do you think it's just behind a keyboard? You are just trying to make him sound more wrong than he actually is to strenghten your argument that you yourself know is incorrect.
I agree that saying bad people that are bad isn't cool, and I highly doubt he thinks so as well. He just does it, because he feels like the player is just driving on some imbalance and knowing that he will disappear soon, he actually acts honest and tells him his truth in his face. Now is that wrong? No. Well maybe in UK it is, but definetly not in the world, let alone the internet.
Besides, we need a bad guy, like every society. TLO, incontrol, nony all can act as the figures to look up to when we're trying to make the scene bigger etc., and idra is the villain that all people can hate and bash on to look cool. He's needed for that.
To your argument of him not being funny, that's pure personal preference, even though you are spitting it out of your fingers(lulz) like it was a fact that everyone has to follow. Let people have their own opinions', rather than riding on a hate bandwagon.
Same thing again, even though mondragon disappeared, there will be people to look up to and people to hate. He's the guy to hate, but he's a lot more deep than that. First meet him in person, then try to ground your arguments with something.
Now. Where the fuck is idra acting like a whiny baby. Where the FUCK is he acting like a whiny baby. Need I repeat again? WHERE the FUCK is idra acting like a WHINY BABY. You don't seem to even have an idea about what he has been through, he endured 2 years in korea in a team where everyone treats him as an outsider, where he doesn't have anyone (expect the occasional artosis or tasteless) to talk to, where he has to work like a monster every day with almost no holidays with no major successes. (im talking bw) You don't ever seem to think about anything from his perspective, you just think of something new and cool to say that would bash him and say it. Idra may be bad mannered, and may be a dick(honest dick), but he is definetly not a shy nerd who think's he's cool.
That is you, sir infinity2k9, you are the one hiding behind a keyboard, spouting nonsense on the internet because hell, you can, and it's cool to ride on a bandwagon, right? Also, that osl/msl/pl comparison is ridiculous.
Another guy who signed up in 2010 making a huge ranting post defending IdrA. Ofcourse i've heard him somewhere, and hes the textbook awkward nerd with no charisma, compare him to someone like Tasteless. There's nothing wrong with being an awkward nerd, but when you're an awkward nerd with no charisma you shouldn't be making people hate you but acting like a dick. This is a fucking strategy game, we don't need a 'villian' and he isn't even trying to be a 'villian', he's just a angry little nerd when he loses games. Go read the Rekrul thread. He acts like a whiny baby against people on the ladder every time he loses incase you hadn't noticed. You can tell the truth and be honest without being a dick. Stork is an honest player, He speaks his mind, and he's well liked. Many players are. Being honest doesn't mean you have to act like a childish idiot who is making the entire foreign scene look bad with his antics.
I don't give a shit if he 'endured' 2 years in Korea. Maybe he should have realized like everyone else did long before that he wouldn't actually achieve anything in BW and left ages ago. We don't need people acting like its fucking USEast if this is to be considered a professional sport. I don;t even understand why people think we actually NEED bad mannered players. Least FBH was actually funny, and his BM was in a way in which is completely different. He danced his around his opponent when he won, probably the worst incident. IdrA doesn't do anything like that, he doesn't do anything funny at all. He pisses Koreans off, and he pisses the foreign community off. I look forward to when he inevitability fades into obscurity in the Korean SC2 scene.
Edit: It really is funny to go through this thread and read the regdates of the IdrA supporters. You were all not even fucking around for before so you should not even comment.
Another argument backed up by misleading information that you fall for because you want to. I have been lurking and following the scene since 2006-2007 ish. The fact alone that you checked my profile for any additional argument to get alone shows how desperate you are to not let your imaginary boat sink
You've followed the scene but apparently forgot the incidents of IdrA shit-talking and being made to look a fool as well. You criticize me for not having any additional argument when you just typed 3 sentences irrelevant to the topic? Hrm...
You still have not explained why we need a villain or a terrible uncharismatic BM player as the main representative of the world in Korea. Imagine if IdrA was actually respectful to opponents and gained practice partners, analyzed his own play more instead of criticism, showed some personality when he wins or loses. Maybe he'd have an actual fanbase over there. 10 years later ElkY is actually well known and liked, you think in 10 years anyone is going to remember Grack as anything but a bm foreigner who never won anything?
On November 01 2010 09:50 infinity2k9 wrote: You've followed the scene but apparently forgot the incidents of IdrA shit-talking and being made to look a fool as well. You criticize me for not having any additional argument when you just typed 3 sentences irrelevant to the topic? Hrm...
You still have not explained why we need a villain or a terrible uncharismatic BM player as the main representative of the world in Korea. Imagine if IdrA was actually respectful to opponents and gained practice partners, analyzed his own play more instead of criticism, showed some personality when he wins or loses. Maybe he'd have an actual fanbase over there. 10 years later ElkY is actually well known and liked, you think in 10 years anyone is going to remember Grack as anything but a bm foreigner who never won anything?
Totatlly agree, idra is not only making himself look bad, but the foreigner scene as well with his shitty attitude... I'm surprised ppl actually believed he had a huge fanbase in Korea The only ppl who worship his bm persona are the morons in this forum who think it's "unique" or awesome to act rebellious and be known as the hated one. Sure, it shows that he's got "personality" and love for the game (I guess?) but if you're gonna act cocky, at least back it up with skill. He's almost like naniwa, both immature and disrespectful to their opponents, yet both lack skill to back up their bm.
And why are ppl saying Koreans have their heads up their asses due to their "pride"? Would you shrug it off if someone bashed on your cultural ethics just because of a game? The Koreans have every right to trash talk idra as I'm sure he's said worse things than "fucking kimchi man" on ladder. Going as far as attacking their culture over a loss idra? Do us a favour and stop acting like you're in high school, otherwise keep yourself away from the pro-scene.
Now. Where the fuck is idra acting like a whiny baby. Where the FUCK is he acting like a whiny baby. Need I repeat again? WHERE the FUCK is idra acting like a WHINY BABY. You don't seem to even have an idea about what he has been through, he endured 2 years in korea in a team where everyone treats him as an outsider, where he doesn't have anyone (expect the occasional artosis or tasteless) to talk to, where he has to work like a monster every day with almost no holidays with no major successes. (im talking bw) You don't ever seem to think about anything from his perspective, you just think of something new and cool to say that would bash him and say it. Idra may be bad mannered, and may be a dick(honest dick), but he is definetly not a shy nerd who think's he's cool.
On October 30 2010 13:57 I_Love_Bacon wrote: You mean being on a b-team and being in like the top 1% of BW players is failing? Believe it or not, Flash and Jaedong are not your average Starcraft pro. Also, IdrA might have been legitimately good enough to be on an A-team, but not CJ's as their roster was ridiculously, ridiculously deep with solid players (although limited greats). Look at some of the weaker players who had seen air time in BW on other teams and you'll see what I mean. (note: I'm clearly not suggesting IdrA was a god at BW and CJ was foolish for not having him on their A-team, but pretending he was bad at BW is simply ridiculous) .
He wasn't good enough to be on any A-Team, that's why he lost in both Dream league matches he played and lost every OSL/MSL qualification match except in the last one. CJ isn't deep enough that he couldn't even make a Dream League spot consistently. Nothing indicates he was legitimately good enough at all and i think you could make a pretty strong argument that he is infact lacking in natural talent at SC compared to someone like Nony, who won TSL2 fairly easily after a long break. IdrA was still only winning about 60% of games against Ret, despite playing 12 hours a day in a T favoured matchup. I can't say i ever saw a genuinely impressive BW IdrA game. All i saw was almost 100% standard macro builds against inferior foreign players who played less and therefore had less mechanically ability. It's just unfortunate we didn't have time to get some kids out in Korea with real natural talent like Kolll or Morrow, or intelligent players like F91.
Now he's got a headstart in SC2 everyone seems to assume he's now actually a good player, yet he still suffers from the exact same faults. I wouldn't be surprised about a RO64 exit next tournament depending on the brackets then eventually a non-qualification as players with skill other than mechanics take over.
I wont claim that you haven't watched a lot of PL (since I don't know you)... but there are some seriously weak players that got matches from time to time. I'm not saying IdrA would have done well on the A-Team, far from it, but he indeed was better than some players who got time in the PL. His games against foreigners were heavily macro oriented... I (along with most people) think he probably should have added a little cheese from time to time but we also all understand why he chose to go macro oriented safe, standard builds so often. Also, Ret was very good at BW himself as was evidence by several of his victories over B-Teamers and taking a game off Nada at Blizzcon in a pure macro game.
However, I will take some more time to address your last point as it's something that people who underestimate IdrA point to over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. People cooonstantly talk about him being "robotic", lacking in game sense, or susceptible to cheese. I've seen no reason to believe IdrA is more susceptable to cheese than any other player.... What I have seen is IdrA is more susceptable to BEING cheesed than any other player, however. I don't expect everybody to think IdrA is the best player in the world and some favorite to win any tournament he enters... but sooner or later people will have to open their eyes to how good he is and can be. Everybody loses, but around here only IdrA's losses come with so much overblown analysis.
I personally found some of FBH's ceremonies just as BM as the stuff Idra typed plus I heard gogo used to bm a lot too. I wonder if the Netizens went after them as much or this is getting multiplied because of Gracky's nationality.
On November 01 2010 09:50 infinity2k9 wrote: You've followed the scene but apparently forgot the incidents of IdrA shit-talking and being made to look a fool as well. You criticize me for not having any additional argument when you just typed 3 sentences irrelevant to the topic? Hrm...
You still have not explained why we need a villain or a terrible uncharismatic BM player as the main representative of the world in Korea. Imagine if IdrA was actually respectful to opponents and gained practice partners, analyzed his own play more instead of criticism, showed some personality when he wins or loses. Maybe he'd have an actual fanbase over there. 10 years later ElkY is actually well known and liked, you think in 10 years anyone is going to remember Grack as anything but a bm foreigner who never won anything?
You're talking a lot of trash about him and what have you achieved? I'm not defending his BM- he's made his mistakes but I respect the fact he made it as far as he has in the GSL plus his determination to stay on a proleague team when many other foreigners couldn't hack it. There are plenty of other foreigners who carry the mantle of being Mr Nice Guy (TLO, etc.) In the end who cares if he has a fanbase in Korea or not?
Edit: It really is funny to go through this thread and read the regdates of the IdrA supporters. You were all not even fucking around for before so you should not even comment.
And bashing people because of their 'regdates' is pretty lame. Not everyone who supports Idra is new to TL.
Free is a much more accomplished BW player than Idra and Idra is in no way in a position to criticize him in the way he did. Idra is just a trash-talker (4-1 against F91, 3-0 against Nony) who cannot back up his foul mouth with results. He had it coming and he deserves it.
On November 02 2010 20:21 polarwolf wrote: Free is a much more accomplished BW player than Idra and Idra is in no way in a position to criticize him in the way he did. Idra is just a trash-talker (4-1 against F91, 3-0 against Nony) who cannot back up his foul mouth with results. He had it coming and he deserves it.
lol
You do realize you don't have to be better than someone to know if they play bad?
And that IdrA has some of the best tournament results of all nonkorean BW/SC2 players?
Idra is a great player (he did beat tester in on launch day after all...). And some of what he says about controversy in the game are probably true. That said he must be happy that Zenio is helping draw interest with his ceremony? Nah, nm.
I understand he has a clan, and I understand he has talent, and I even understand how he may have had a shitty time in Korea and holds a (justified?) grudge, but do people really believe he can thrive if the best potential practice partners hate him?
On November 01 2010 11:53 hkfosho wrote: I'm surprised ppl actually believed he had a huge fanbase in Korea The only ppl who worship his bm persona are the morons in this forum
Without a shadow of a doubt IdrA is a great player but BM is BM. It's what he's known for as much if not more so than his tournament play.
Being isolated from your teammates and the country that has the biggest starcraft following in the world cannot possibly be a good thing.
Personally I like the fact that he is emotional about his wins and losses but it all comes across as negative and he does constantly bad mouth other players which is hardly going to win him any friends. If he ends up switching clans again he's going to have to be careful which clans and members he's insulted.
I look forward to seeing his games but I just hope that he tones the BM down.
On November 02 2010 17:35 tomatriedes wrote: I personally found some of FBH's ceremonies just as BM as the stuff Idra typed plus I heard gogo used to bm a lot too. I wonder if the Netizens went after them as much or this is getting multiplied because of Gracky's nationality.
That is the kind of personality I like progamers to have.
Even though I respect Idra as one of the best foreign players he just ends up embarassing himself with his bad manners way too often which opens him up for getting owned like he did on live TV. Really it was bound to happen sooner or later. If you can't back up your trash talk or be funny about it then don't bother.
Watching ceremonies by Zenio/Firebathero makes me laugh and in turn I have a good time, sure they are slightly BM but it's all good fun - I don't think anyone takes what they do seriously. Idra's BM just makes me cringe the same way I do when I see 12 year olds duking it out in WoW general chat. It's just embarassing to watch.
I don't think nationality has anything to do with it. It doesn't matter where you are from, Idra has said some retardedly stupid things.
The netizen responses are comedy gold. If Idra came out with creative trash talk like that rather than the rubbish he's been spewing for years I'd be a much bigger fan.
Hey guys. I think some of you have forgotten or maybe never learned. IdrA isn't BM, he is just sticking true to his promise he made to Tossgirl after a lonely practice session.
On October 30 2010 13:57 I_Love_Bacon wrote: You mean being on a b-team and being in like the top 1% of BW players is failing? Believe it or not, Flash and Jaedong are not your average Starcraft pro. Also, IdrA might have been legitimately good enough to be on an A-team, but not CJ's as their roster was ridiculously, ridiculously deep with solid players (although limited greats). Look at some of the weaker players who had seen air time in BW on other teams and you'll see what I mean. (note: I'm clearly not suggesting IdrA was a god at BW and CJ was foolish for not having him on their A-team, but pretending he was bad at BW is simply ridiculous) .
He wasn't good enough to be on any A-Team, that's why he lost in both Dream league matches he played and lost every OSL/MSL qualification match except in the last one. CJ isn't deep enough that he couldn't even make a Dream League spot consistently. Nothing indicates he was legitimately good enough at all and i think you could make a pretty strong argument that he is infact lacking in natural talent at SC compared to someone like Nony, who won TSL2 fairly easily after a long break. IdrA was still only winning about 60% of games against Ret, despite playing 12 hours a day in a T favoured matchup. I can't say i ever saw a genuinely impressive BW IdrA game. All i saw was almost 100% standard macro builds against inferior foreign players who played less and therefore had less mechanically ability. It's just unfortunate we didn't have time to get some kids out in Korea with real natural talent like Kolll or Morrow, or intelligent players like F91.
Now he's got a headstart in SC2 everyone seems to assume he's now actually a good player, yet he still suffers from the exact same faults. I wouldn't be surprised about a RO64 exit next tournament depending on the brackets then eventually a non-qualification as players with skill other than mechanics take over.
I wont claim that you haven't watched a lot of PL (since I don't know you)... but there are some seriously weak players that got matches from time to time. I'm not saying IdrA would have done well on the A-Team, far from it, but he indeed was better than some players who got time in the PL. His games against foreigners were heavily macro oriented... I (along with most people) think he probably should have added a little cheese from time to time but we also all understand why he chose to go macro oriented safe, standard builds so often. Also, Ret was very good at BW himself as was evidence by several of his victories over B-Teamers and taking a game off Nada at Blizzcon in a pure macro game.
However, I will take some more time to address your last point as it's something that people who underestimate IdrA point to over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. People cooonstantly talk about him being "robotic", lacking in game sense, or susceptible to cheese. I've seen no reason to believe IdrA is more susceptable to cheese than any other player.... What I have seen is IdrA is more susceptable to BEING cheesed than any other player, however. I don't expect everybody to think IdrA is the best player in the world and some favorite to win any tournament he enters... but sooner or later people will have to open their eyes to how good he is and can be. Everybody loses, but around here only IdrA's losses come with so much overblown analysis.
Idk about that, i've seen some really sad games in proleague but Idra vs F91 man.. The issue I have with Idra is that he keeps going "safe standard" builds but loses anyway in the early game. Thus the only conclusion I can come up with is that his standard play just isn't up to par. Like no one dares cheese Flash because they know it won't work. Aggressive play is usually the best way to beat a less skilled opponent and I think that's why Idra gets cheesed a lot. Sooner or later, people will have to open their eyes to how he's not delivering any results. Ever. We waited years for something to happen in Broodwar and still nothing. Even in foreign tournaments, Idra was not really delivering. And the sc2 scene will only attract more and more good players which will just raise the skill ceiling even higher.
EDIT: he had it coming anyway, I was getting so sick of his BM and poor results. Even FBH manages to put up good games vs A-team players. Idra never even got televised
On October 30 2010 11:34 infinitestory wrote: it seems that the name "grack" will be sticking around for a while
Where did the name come from? o.o
Slayers Boxer called him Grack in a ladder game
rofl
Typo or deliberate?
Typo I think... I doubt "Greg" is a very common name to spell out in Korean... and it sounds a little like Grack. Plus I'd like to think that Boxer is too gm to intentionally mispell a name
I'm sorry, Idra is a good player, no doubt about it, but please stop with the "best foreigner". Even in the end of BW he was not the best foreigner (one of the best, that we agree, but he was not clearly dominating the foreign scene at all). As for SC2, everybody know the skill required is much less than in SC1... And (again) I don't think Idra is the best foreigner : one of the best, that's for sure, but in a big 1v1 tournament with the greatest, nobody can say if he is going to win or not.
If there is one thing that we can be sure about Idra is that he is the most overrated foreigner (everybody say he is so awesome, yet he don't achieve so much, in my eyes what Jinro achieved after a few weeks in korea is way more impressive).
Jinro has been in Korea since before GSL season 1, he didn't show up a few weeks ago.
My bad, why was it that i feel like his level just increased real fast this last weeks ?
As for talent in SC, for me talent is the ability to make decision, sudden strat change or original unit combo that will lead to a change in the meta game: that's why I respect so much people like Moon or MadFrog despite their grey result in SC2: they shaped their own race in wc3 with inventive play and decision making. That's talent! But that's really something a few people have. Micro/Macro/Safe Build is just something you get with practice.
Grow some balls people, seriously. I'm a angry gamer when I game because I get into the game, I identify alot with IdrA; He cares and he gets angry when he feels he hasn't lost because it was his skills but some other factor: I understand him completely.
He has badmouthed alot of people, he gets it returned, who cares. No one can seriously pretend he does not add flavour and spice to e-gaming... without people like him it would be godamn boring. I'm Swedish and I've met morrow, he's a boring guy in many ways and I'd never care for esports if it was all serene tossers with no passion. IdrA atleast seems to have some personallity.
On December 02 2010 20:39 WhiteDog wrote: I'm sorry, Idra is a good player, no doubt about it, but please stop with the "best foreigner". Even in the end of BW he was not the best foreigner (one of the best, that we agree, but he was not clearly dominating the foreign scene at all).
Wait, what? Aside from TSL2, IdrA was definitely dominating the foreign scene at the end. He had a really good stretch where he was winning everything.
On October 30 2010 13:57 I_Love_Bacon wrote: You mean being on a b-team and being in like the top 1% of BW players is failing? Believe it or not, Flash and Jaedong are not your average Starcraft pro. Also, IdrA might have been legitimately good enough to be on an A-team, but not CJ's as their roster was ridiculously, ridiculously deep with solid players (although limited greats). Look at some of the weaker players who had seen air time in BW on other teams and you'll see what I mean. (note: I'm clearly not suggesting IdrA was a god at BW and CJ was foolish for not having him on their A-team, but pretending he was bad at BW is simply ridiculous) .
He wasn't good enough to be on any A-Team, that's why he lost in both Dream league matches he played and lost every OSL/MSL qualification match except in the last one. CJ isn't deep enough that he couldn't even make a Dream League spot consistently. Nothing indicates he was legitimately good enough at all and i think you could make a pretty strong argument that he is infact lacking in natural talent at SC compared to someone like Nony, who won TSL2 fairly easily after a long break. IdrA was still only winning about 60% of games against Ret, despite playing 12 hours a day in a T favoured matchup. I can't say i ever saw a genuinely impressive BW IdrA game. All i saw was almost 100% standard macro builds against inferior foreign players who played less and therefore had less mechanically ability. It's just unfortunate we didn't have time to get some kids out in Korea with real natural talent like Kolll or Morrow, or intelligent players like F91.
Now he's got a headstart in SC2 everyone seems to assume he's now actually a good player, yet he still suffers from the exact same faults. I wouldn't be surprised about a RO64 exit next tournament depending on the brackets then eventually a non-qualification as players with skill other than mechanics take over.
I wont claim that you haven't watched a lot of PL (since I don't know you)... but there are some seriously weak players that got matches from time to time. I'm not saying IdrA would have done well on the A-Team, far from it, but he indeed was better than some players who got time in the PL. His games against foreigners were heavily macro oriented... I (along with most people) think he probably should have added a little cheese from time to time but we also all understand why he chose to go macro oriented safe, standard builds so often. Also, Ret was very good at BW himself as was evidence by several of his victories over B-Teamers and taking a game off Nada at Blizzcon in a pure macro game.
However, I will take some more time to address your last point as it's something that people who underestimate IdrA point to over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. People cooonstantly talk about him being "robotic", lacking in game sense, or susceptible to cheese. I've seen no reason to believe IdrA is more susceptable to cheese than any other player.... What I have seen is IdrA is more susceptable to BEING cheesed than any other player, however. I don't expect everybody to think IdrA is the best player in the world and some favorite to win any tournament he enters... but sooner or later people will have to open their eyes to how good he is and can be. Everybody loses, but around here only IdrA's losses come with so much overblown analysis.
Idk about that, i've seen some really sad games in proleague but Idra vs F91 man.. The issue I have with Idra is that he keeps going "safe standard" builds but loses anyway in the early game. Thus the only conclusion I can come up with is that his standard play just isn't up to par. Like no one dares cheese Flash because they know it won't work. Aggressive play is usually the best way to beat a less skilled opponent and I think that's why Idra gets cheesed a lot. Sooner or later, people will have to open their eyes to how he's not delivering any results. Ever. We waited years for something to happen in Broodwar and still nothing. Even in foreign tournaments, Idra was not really delivering. And the sc2 scene will only attract more and more good players which will just raise the skill ceiling even higher.
EDIT: he had it coming anyway, I was getting so sick of his BM and poor results. Even FBH manages to put up good games vs A-team players. Idra never even got televised
A huge number of games flash loses are due to hyperaggression, including OSL/MSL finals games and the semifinal he lost to ForGG. Often that's from being overly greedy, but the same can be said about some of IdrA games.
In BW his results were consistently high in the non-korean scene, and while his korean results weren't stellar (1-2 loss to A-teamer Trap in GOM, 1-2 to Jaehoon in ro4 of indiv qualifiers), it's definitely not 'nothing'. You can say that he performed below your expectations if you were hoping for something more, but definitely not that he hasn't delivered anything.
Remember that game where Idra cancelled his command center and quit? Who was the show match against I forget now. Guy has provided a lot of entertainment, gotta admit.
On December 03 2010 12:56 Mothra wrote: Remember that game where Idra cancelled his command center and quit? Who was the show match against I forget now. Guy has provided a lot of entertainment, gotta admit.
Nony, and it was in the quarter-finals of TSL2. What could have been if not for that error, who knows.
On December 02 2010 20:39 WhiteDog wrote: I'm sorry, Idra is a good player, no doubt about it, but please stop with the "best foreigner". Even in the end of BW he was not the best foreigner (one of the best, that we agree, but he was not clearly dominating the foreign scene at all).
Wait, what? Aside from TSL2, IdrA was definitely dominating the foreign scene at the end. He had a really good stretch where he was winning everything.
The problem with Idra's BM is he calls people bad when he loses. It's not like he even whines that they cheese or are gimmicky. Idra calls you straight out bad when you beat him. That's nerd rage. There are somany times where he talks shit on somebody for making a decision when he's not even correct. He doesnt understand that being the least creative player in the entire GSL is a weak point, and he doesn't put very much thought into other people's strategies. He just assumes they are worse than him because they're not Idra.
he's no idiot, but he certainly has tunnel vision about pretty much everything.
i think zenio's ceremony is fine. korea is big on respect and zenio was disrespected by idra. that gesture is kinda used in korea to say like "stop playing around". if idra was BMing him a lot during the beta, then i don't see what's wrong with zenio's actions.
On December 04 2010 13:01 Eknoid4 wrote: The problem with Idra's BM is he calls people bad when he loses. It's not like he even whines that they cheese or are gimmicky. Idra calls you straight out bad when you beat him. That's nerd rage. There are somany times where he talks shit on somebody for making a decision when he's not even correct. He doesnt understand that being the least creative player in the entire GSL is a weak point, and he doesn't put very much thought into other people's strategies. He just assumes they are worse than him because they're not Idra.
he's no idiot, but he certainly has tunnel vision about pretty much everything.
My favorite part of this is that a lot of them used Romanized characters to call him grack, and a lot of the ones who didn't, called him Greggy (I'm assuming that's some modified version of his name, and hoping it sounds at least as demeaning in Korean as it does in English).
On December 13 2010 20:22 solistus wrote: My favorite part of this is that a lot of them used Romanized characters to call him grack, and a lot of the ones who didn't, called him Greggy (I'm assuming that's some modified version of his name, and hoping it sounds at least as demeaning in Korean as it does in English).
crap = 쓰레기[threggy]
Korean usually call a noob in lower leagues 실레기[silreggy] (means silver crap) , 브레기[breggy] (means bronze crap).
WE WILL STAND BY YOU, GREG!! Bloody BM netizens... really no social conscience!! No wonder hes become like that staying there. Bloody hypocrites. Complaining about his BM like this.What happened to treating guests like God? I thought that was part of the Korean ethos. Glad to see that not all Koreans are like this... just remebered Jon! FTW!
On October 31 2010 02:08 travis wrote: i hope idra wins the next gsl and then stands up and yells KIMCHI EZ GAME or some shit, just to offend everyone. then the whole crowd starts booing and idra starts dancing yelling "AMERICA WIN, AMERICA WIN"
hahahaha! Got rice! PwnedUezpznubs! Oh if only wishes were horses...
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It's the Idra effect. Idra fighting!
