Hey, i found an older post earlier about people trying to tab out the SC2 terran tracks. That got me thinking that there have got to be a few players out here in the TL jungle, that could learn alot from each other.
Me myself, i am a medioker player. I can play some advanced stuff and some newbie stuff. Played for alot of years, But not they way where i practice for 5 hours at home. At best, 2 hours a day.
I am very good at playing power chords and some picking. I know alternate picking, and i tend to use it alot.
What i DO really want with this post is that i would like to get in touch with someone here on TL that could over skype help me and give me some "Elessons" on tapping and such stuff that i havent mastered yet. Someone that is truly awesome with metalshredding and quick licks.
Of course this thread can be used to ask your own questions to people. i was hoping to make this a thread that will stay alive so that everyone can get their questions answered and the help they need
[EDIT] I got a Epiphone Les Paul Special II, with a Peavey 15W Amp. A bunch of pedals aswell.
The way i learned techniques like tapping and shredding was through hours of practice. It's not something you can catch on to quickly just by having someone tell you how to do it.
Yes, you're gonna sound like crap at the beginning but you'll improve, trust me.
I was a classsical guitar major in college before i changed majors. technique is so important in classical guitar its insaneeeee. the way you hold the guitar, the way you pluck the strings, how long your nails are, how polished your nails are, which fingers pluck which string, when to use vibrato, when not to, it's absolutely insane.
On October 24 2010 05:06 prototype. wrote: The way i learned techniques like tapping and shredding was through hours of practice. It's not something you can catch on to quickly just by having someone tell you how to do it.
Yes, you're gonna sound like crap at the beginning but you'll improve, trust me.
I`ve been looking up tuts and videos all over the internet, but none of them really tells me "What to do".. They play something fast and then they are like, "And that`s how you do it"..
I`d like someone who told me what frets/strings and plays it slowly along a few times etc. (I know skype has a delay, so alongplay wont be possible).
If you can get the tabs/picking for the lick that you're trying to learn, it usually becomes a matter of grinding it out extremely slowly and working your way up from there. For some things, I can see why you'd need a teacher (too fast to play by ear + no musical transcriptions), but for the most part I think you should be able to learn how to play 'shreddy' licks so long as you have the music for them.
One piece of advice though, do NOT settle for imperfection when you're practicing it slowly. As you move your way up, the things that you don't bother to fix will only become worse and you'll end up with a jarbled mess when trying to play at full speed.
tapping is really simple, after you hammer your finger on the fret you kind of pull it downwards and off the string, it took me about 2 weeks from never doing it to being to do it fast and when I want, if I had a webcam or something id help you. Personally Id really like to be able to do pinch harmonics fast and precise, now its just a hit and miss kind of thing.
Im using a cheap ass bc rich warlock with guitar rig since it does a better job than my 20w marshall amp, I really should get a new guitar
As for just practice, when I used to play 4 hours a day before I had a plan where I did 40 minutes of scales, 40 minutes of chords, finger strength exercises and just plain old going 1 2 3 4 up and down the fretboard, and in the end id just improvise and play something I like so it does not become boring and feel like a chore. Id say for finger strenght what helped me the most were exercises like 1 2 3 4 up and down the fretboard, then switch to 1 2 up and down, then 1 3, 1 4 and such, it takes some time but it helps build finger strength and picking coordination, and it gets your little finger in line with the rest of them which was a problem for me at first, just take it slow at first and move the speed up when you feel you can, also a metronome is a ton of help.
On October 24 2010 05:12 CaucasianAsian wrote: buy some books, that's seriously the best advice i can give.
lol thats the worst advice i would say;
i tried learning for months on books and just couldnt get it to sound good.
youtube is a blessing for beginner guitar players. so many tutorials. learn how to play basic chords. learn songs, play along, get a feeling for the guitar.
so what if you only play the same 4 chords for a month? at least those will be 4 chords you'll get into your system so naturally.
from there, you can learn more chords; learn how to do arpeggios with them. move on to scales and start learning theory when you want to.
its not a bad thing to learn other peoples songs at the start. it keeps you interested, it makes it fun. after months or maybe years, you'll start to develop your own tastes and you can start making your own music from there.
i'm serious.
youtube chords arpeggios (picking the chords) scales (even make up your own, they dont have to be "real" scales. slash does this and thats how he came up with the sweet child o mine intro riff) then if you want to.. IF YOU WANT to. THEN learn music theory.
the order is entirely up to you.
but from my experience and from all the people i know; they can't stand looking at a book and learning how to play
On October 24 2010 05:08 CaucasianAsian wrote: I was a classsical guitar major in college before i changed majors. technique is so important in classical guitar its insaneeeee. the way you hold the guitar, the way you pluck the strings, how long your nails are, how polished your nails are, which fingers pluck which string, when to use vibrato, when not to, it's absolutely insane.
sounds like elitist guitarists.
just keep practicing. techniques are learned much more easily when you're not focusing on them too much.
i'd take a look into music theory also, this'll open up your understanding on music and give you some incentive on music.
On October 24 2010 05:12 CaucasianAsian wrote: buy some books, that's seriously the best advice i can give.
lol thats the worst advice i would say;
i tried learning for months on books and just couldnt get it to sound good.
youtube is a blessing for beginner guitar players. so many tutorials. learn how to play basic chords. learn songs, play along, get a feeling for the guitar.
so what if you only play the same 4 chords for a month? at least those will be 4 chords you'll get into your system so naturally.
from there, you can learn more chords; learn how to do arpeggios with them. move on to scales and start learning theory when you want to.
its not a bad thing to learn other peoples songs at the start. it keeps you interested, it makes it fun. after months or maybe years, you'll start to develop your own tastes and you can start making your own music from there.
i'm serious.
youtube chords arpeggios (picking the chords) scales (even make up your own, they dont have to be "real" scales. slash does this and thats how he came up with the sweet child o mine intro riff) then if you want to.. IF YOU WANT to. THEN learn music theory.
the order is entirely up to you.
but from my experience and from all the people i know; they can't stand looking at a book and learning how to play
horrible advice, just horrible. youtube uploaders know shit about music. i laugh so hard at them when they try to explain something simple and make it into something super-fucking-complex. when i first started out in guitar i tried youtube videos, i learned a bit. not really. most of my learning came from books.
really, buy theory books. jimmy hendrix wasn't even that great on technique; he played from passion. if you listened to his stuff you could tell he was a bit sloppy.
when it comes down to being a musician techniques aren't that important, it's the composition.
also, jjun212, i'm betting you bought some "Guitar Book for Idiots" or something.books help a lot.
On October 24 2010 05:12 CaucasianAsian wrote: buy some books, that's seriously the best advice i can give.
horrible advice, just horrible. youtube uploaders know shit about music. i laugh so hard at them when they try to explain something simple and make it into something super-fucking-complex. when i first started out in guitar i tried youtube videos, i learned a bit. not really. most of my learning came from books.
really, buy theory books. jimmy hendrix wasn't even that great on technique; he played from passion. if you listened to his stuff you could tell he was a bit sloppy.
when it comes down to being a musician techniques aren't that important, it's the composition.
also, jjun212, i'm betting you bought some "Guitar Book for Idiots" or something.books help a lot.
listen
im just trying to save the guy money and time. to the OP; if you aren't trying to be a "real" musician, whatever that means and just want to learn how to jump in the saddle asap and express whatever is in your tiny heart, then just jump into it.
im just worried you'll get disheartened by reading these "books".
ever heard of nike?
just do it.
once you get the basics down. THEN you can do whatever the hell you want but at least you'll be able to play something when you get into music theory.
you'll be familiar with the guitar, with your skills and understanding the theory might be way easier.
you might pick up bad habits but lol, 80% of all the rock stars out there have horrible form anyway. whitesheep must be some kinda music teacher.
well screw that. its 50/50 brother.
slash didnt use a teacher but dream theatre are music theory pros. and they both have a strong following of fans.
do what you want but at least my way, you wont have to read books and you wont have to spend money on them.
On October 24 2010 05:12 CaucasianAsian wrote: buy some books, that's seriously the best advice i can give.
horrible advice, just horrible. youtube uploaders know shit about music. i laugh so hard at them when they try to explain something simple and make it into something super-fucking-complex. when i first started out in guitar i tried youtube videos, i learned a bit. not really. most of my learning came from books.
really, buy theory books. jimmy hendrix wasn't even that great on technique; he played from passion. if you listened to his stuff you could tell he was a bit sloppy.
when it comes down to being a musician techniques aren't that important, it's the composition.
also, jjun212, i'm betting you bought some "Guitar Book for Idiots" or something.books help a lot.
listen
im just trying to save the guy money and time. to the OP; if you aren't trying to be a "real" musician, whatever that means and just want to learn how to jump in the saddle asap and express whatever is in your tiny heart, then just jump into it.
im just worried you'll get disheartened by reading these "books".
ever heard of nike?
just do it.
once you get the basics down. THEN you can do whatever the hell you want but at least you'll be able to play something when you get into music theory.
you'll be familiar with the guitar, with your skills and understanding the theory might be way easier.
you might pick up bad habits but lol, 80% of all the rock stars out there have horrible form anyway. whitesheep must be some kinda music teacher.
well screw that. its 50/50 brother.
slash didnt use a teacher but dream theatre are music theory pros. and they both have a strong following of fans.
do what you want but at least my way, you wont have to read books and you wont have to spend money on them.
Like, i am not a complete idiot when it comes to guitar. I can play really good, i can play beelzeboss 100% perfect aswell as are you dead yet, but i simply asked for some advices here on techiniques i dont master.
And guys, keep the post at a non-aggresive state. I see a hard-hearted discussion boiling up here.
As much as I hope someone helps you out online, I'd highly suggest trying to find someone near you that plays guitar well enough to show you. You can only do so much with a webcam that might easily be shown right before you where you can see what's going on and have the person slow it down for you to see and so on. Half of playing flashy and fast guitar riffs is really just basic picking technique and solid execution. Paul Gilbert often gives the anecdote of himself starting off playing guitar and he thought/assumed that all picking had to be up strokes. Once he figured out that he didn't have to do that, that he could alternate pick in a highly efficient way, he became a much faster and better player overall.
practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice more. I played 8 hours a day for 5 years. everyday. Also absorb anything and everything guitar related you can get your hands on books/videos/lessons etc.
On October 24 2010 05:12 CaucasianAsian wrote: buy some books, that's seriously the best advice i can give.
horrible advice, just horrible. youtube uploaders know shit about music. i laugh so hard at them when they try to explain something simple and make it into something super-fucking-complex. when i first started out in guitar i tried youtube videos, i learned a bit. not really. most of my learning came from books.
really, buy theory books. jimmy hendrix wasn't even that great on technique; he played from passion. if you listened to his stuff you could tell he was a bit sloppy.
when it comes down to being a musician techniques aren't that important, it's the composition.
also, jjun212, i'm betting you bought some "Guitar Book for Idiots" or something.books help a lot.
listen
im just trying to save the guy money and time. to the OP; if you aren't trying to be a "real" musician, whatever that means and just want to learn how to jump in the saddle asap and express whatever is in your tiny heart, then just jump into it.
im just worried you'll get disheartened by reading these "books".
ever heard of nike?
just do it.
once you get the basics down. THEN you can do whatever the hell you want but at least you'll be able to play something when you get into music theory.
you'll be familiar with the guitar, with your skills and understanding the theory might be way easier.
you might pick up bad habits but lol, 80% of all the rock stars out there have horrible form anyway. whitesheep must be some kinda music teacher.
well screw that. its 50/50 brother.
slash didnt use a teacher but dream theatre are music theory pros. and they both have a strong following of fans.
do what you want but at least my way, you wont have to read books and you wont have to spend money on them.
Like, i am not a complete idiot when it comes to guitar. I can play really good, i can play beelzeboss 100% perfect aswell as are you dead yet, but i simply asked for some advices here on techiniques i dont master.
And guys, keep the post at a non-aggresive state. I see a hard-hearted discussion boiling up here.
I'm telling you, not to sound mean or hasty but books truly do teach you so much more than anything you could find online.
specifically, Scott Tennants books are wonderful. There is no instant greatness. There is not a secret that all good guitar players have that everyone else is just not in the know of. It is seriously about paying attention to every tiny detail you have.
Also, mastering chords is not even coming close to becoming a good player. Anyone who has played for a few months would be able to play just about any chord if they memorize them.
didn't just be able to play well just because they know how to play chords. They practiced techniques over and over and over again. Then they practiced it some more.
The only way to become a good player is to practice, and study. It's the same with starcraft, or poker, school, or any job or hobby you wish to excel in. You have to put in the work, you can't just pick up a guitar, look at youtube for a few minutes, read a few tabs, and think your good. You can't just buy starcraft, watch a few Flash vods and think you can play the game well. You have to practice until your hand falls off, then sew it back on and practice more.
Just saw this thread so I'll bump it with some helpful advice. If you can shell out a little doe I recommend buying guitar pro its a really useful program that reads a whole wack of tab files that you can play along with. Really helps me alot when I'm learning new fingerstyle songs. Theres tons of tabs that you can find through google as well. That's my advice. Bumping this thread for more guitar advice. If you don't want to buy guitar pro, you can also use Tabledit which is a free program that reads .tef tabs. You can find a whole bunch of tef tabs, at allmusic.com . That's usually where I go for classical and fingerstyle stuff though, if your interested in that, and if your not I recommend learning some fingerstyle as it can be very challenging and will improve your dexterity and playing immensely.
really the only advice I can give is to simply play scales, (with all four fingers, this is important). Make sure to have variety (major, minor, diminished etc. patterns). Use those as simple warmup excersizes, and constantly get faster and faster at it. Then once you become good at these patterns, look up solos and whatnot and you will realize, "Ah, D major arpegios (sweeps) into diminished patterns with chromatic runs then resolving with D major sweeps again". You just broke down the entire solo right there and best of all you know the finger patterns for them.
Make sure you only play with alternate picking from the get-go. I taught myself through pure music passion and mad practice but I am still shaking bad habits. Shit i used to down pick only for the first year of playing it was terrible..
go to guitar-scales.com and choose your tuning and learn some scales. Open up your practice regimen with 1234 on the low end of the guitar on each string slowly and deliberately whilst alternate picking to warm your hands up. Then do 1 2 3 4 but this time go from the low E to the G string and back up 5 6 7 8 from the G string to the low E. Do this all up and down the fretboard and use a sweeping technique (where you slide the pick down the strings instead of individual notes). This gets you used to moving every which way on the guitar and builds your dexterity.
You will suck and you will get frustrated for the first year or so but if you can't be good at something if you don't struggle with it. I recommend learning all your shit on acoustic first (even metal techniques) because if you can play it on an acoustic you can sure as hell play it on electric.. Work on deliberately slow form before anything because you will build bad habits like i did if you don't.
hey why is nobody posting in here? Its time to revive this thread! i recorded something today and wanted to share it. any john petrucci fans in here? ^^
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