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RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
October 16 2010 16:12 GMT
#1
All my friends seem to think that Starcraft is easy. You don't need to work at it. They are wrong! You do need to work at it. My friend wanted to learn how to get better at starcraft. Of course then when he thought he was good enough to play against me, and I utterly destroyed him, he gave up. I wanted him to actually get good, but he thought it was going to be easy. It really isn't that easy. Kind of a pointless blog I know, but sort of wanted to vent about that. I don't know too many people IRL that plays Starcraft. It would have been cool to have a friend that would play Starcraft with me.

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I have an announcement to make, "Moo!" That is all.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23357 Posts
October 16 2010 16:15 GMT
#2
On October 17 2010 01:12 RyuChus wrote:
All my friends seem to think that Starcraft is easy. You don't need to work at it. They are wrong! You do need to work at it. My friend wanted to learn how to get better at starcraft. Of course then when he thought he was good enough to play against me, and I utterly destroyed him, he gave up. I wanted him to actually get good, but he thought it was going to be easy. It really isn't that easy. Kind of a pointless blog I know, but sort of wanted to vent about that. I don't know too many people IRL that plays Starcraft. It would have been cool to have a friend that would play Starcraft with me.


Well if they're not good players then they're wrong?
Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
October 16 2010 16:15 GMT
#3
I thought "than" in headline was out of pun.

But yeah, SC takes a lot of practice and consistency (just see idra). Tell your mates to watch some pro gamers replay.
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RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
October 16 2010 16:17 GMT
#4
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough... They think that it takes no effort to get good at this game. They try and play it, because they think it takes no effort, and when they get absolutely crushed they hate it. Which is really kind of stupid, I think that they should really give it a chance.
I have an announcement to make, "Moo!" That is all.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51296 Posts
October 16 2010 16:19 GMT
#5
Make him watch VODs since there are many games for people to watch on youtube.If this is EC2 then its really easy to find someone who casts games....If its BW then I suggest Korean commentary but if he insists on English commentary look for Moletrap,Klazart,NukeTheStars,RanshinDA and every single game uploaded on VioleTAK.

VODS generate interest to continue to play the game.
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
October 16 2010 16:19 GMT
#6
Have him play starcraft 2 first then play sc1
Jaedong :3
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 16 2010 16:20 GMT
#7
Are we talking BW or SC2?

BW has a larger learning curve because mechanics can only be gained over time, and it's more APM/multitasking dependent compared to SC2. SC2 is still quite hard for the average gamer/casual player, though.
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kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
October 16 2010 16:21 GMT
#8
tell him that the fun part about starcraft isnt becos of it's simplicity =D
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9813 Posts
October 16 2010 16:23 GMT
#9
i dont get how people can enjoy beating a game that's easy. =\
if you watch a movie you always get to the ending
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RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
October 16 2010 16:24 GMT
#10
It's both, I made him play both. And can a mod fix the title... I had like 12 hours of sleep so I feel kind of wonky, never having had that much sleep before. He also thinks that it's kind of stupid that there are progamers and stuff, I did make him sit through a few VODs. He was sort of interested. I guess after I played against him, just so I could see what level of play he was at, and him losing made him kind of sad.
I have an announcement to make, "Moo!" That is all.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
October 16 2010 16:31 GMT
#11
Well it's the same with many things, people look at it and think "I could do that", but it's actually way harder than it looks.

A lot of people are really bad at getting others into the game though. They say stuff like "watch these VODs, download these replays, memorise these build orders, play 1000 games."

Sure that's what they have to do to get good, but newbies should be treated more like young children, you get them interested and self-motivated by teaching them in a more casual way before slamming 20 textbooks in front of them.
No I'm never serious.
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
October 16 2010 16:33 GMT
#12
It's amazing how easy it is for people to understand how difficult starcraft is if they watch you play. Not like a replay, but have them sit behind/next to you and talk to them about the game while you're playing. As long as you are kind of fast and decent at sc then they'll understand after 1 game how hard it is.

At least that's how it is with everyone I've shown starcraft to.
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omgCRAZY
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 16:35:22
October 16 2010 16:34 GMT
#13
It took awhile to get my friends into the whole starcraft scene as well but my general excitement and enthusiasm to watch live streams, tournaments, and VOD's forced them to pay attention. Then when SC2 came out, I just had to get them interested in laddering. They all don't play a lot, some more than others, but they all now watch live streams, VOD's, and are really into the whole e-sports scene with the GSL, IEM, HDH, and MLG tournaments.

EDIT: Like the poster said above me, getting them to watch you play will help a lot. I have a lot of LAN's at my house and them seeing me play, or watch sc / sc2 all the time helped a lot.
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RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
October 16 2010 16:35 GMT
#14
I didn't actually go like, "WATCH THESE GAMES AND YOU WILL LEARN!!!".

He had a lot of troubles with macro, or even A-moving. I kept trying to get him to A-move but he just wouldn't. He would right click separate units and some of his units would just stand there while the front 2 shot the zerglings or something.
I have an announcement to make, "Moo!" That is all.
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
October 16 2010 16:37 GMT
#15
why do you play against him
play some 2v2s and such
it'll be much funner
try not to turn everything into a competition between you guys
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
October 16 2010 16:50 GMT
#16
On October 17 2010 01:31 Nytefish wrote:
Well it's the same with many things, people look at it and think "I could do that", but it's actually way harder than it looks.

A lot of people are really bad at getting others into the game though. They say stuff like "watch these VODs, download these replays, memorise these build orders, play 1000 games."

Sure that's what they have to do to get good, but newbies should be treated more like young children, you get them interested and self-motivated by teaching them in a more casual way before slamming 20 textbooks in front of them.

I'll be your kid any time.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
October 16 2010 17:10 GMT
#17
All my friends think SC is too hard, they think it's work rather than fun and never play :/
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
October 16 2010 18:18 GMT
#18
Haha there is a certain amount of knowledge required to realize that your absolutely terrible at a game.
My friends and I all used to think we were great until I discovered TL and PGT and starting to learn how to actually play the game.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
October 16 2010 18:18 GMT
#19
They are casuals ?!
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NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
October 16 2010 18:25 GMT
#20
DO NOT bother with friends who cant play SC its waste of time... xD jk
Give it time man, if they dont want to play with you and you want it so what ? next week he will play with you another game, let him win than own him and than play 2v2 : )
URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
October 16 2010 18:51 GMT
#21
Alot of my friends that played halo got sc2. They thought the game was easy to pick up, and then they found out that they were really terrible at it. They were all pulling about 10 or 15 apm with no understanding of build orders or strategy in general. I offered my help but none accepted except for one of my friends w a PS3(possible trend). I was able to get him up to gold but he's still playing at only about 15-25 apm. Fast forward by a month, and none of them have even touch bnet.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
October 16 2010 19:22 GMT
#22
Well it's easy to LEARN the basics of the game. I, like most people, started off in single player learning all the units, abilities and names. THAT is easy. But survival and multiplayer skills, micro and macro are a never ending journey.

All the REAL skills I learned for SC I got from playing online and watching VODs.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
October 16 2010 21:01 GMT
#23
Heh, you know, a lot of people probably will not be able to hit diamond at this game no matter how hard they try, and the applies to people around mid level diamond who will never be as good as Idra.

I'm willing to bet most high level players right now have had an extensive RTS history. So how do you propose to teach a guy who thinks Halo is the greatest game of all time to play SC2? The reverse is also true for myself: there is no way in hell I'll ever be at a decent level in a game that uses a controller to aim after having played SC and CS on the PC since 1999-2000.

Anyways, it's no big deal that your buddies don't take the game seriously. Just play some team games with them and have some fun doing goofy shit.
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TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
October 16 2010 21:35 GMT
#24
lol... SC is the complete opposite of what they think it is.

If anything, SC is one of THE hardest if not THE hardest game to play/get good at
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aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
October 16 2010 22:08 GMT
#25
I persuaded my friends to play and I learned that you can't push them to get better because everytime I play them, I just destroy them. As a result, they didn't want to play 1v1 with me anymore. However, if you let your friends play with your other sucky friends, they'll improve together and they'll be more motivated.
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
October 16 2010 22:20 GMT
#26
On October 17 2010 01:23 seRapH wrote:
i dont get how people can enjoy beating a game that's easy. =\
if you watch a movie you always get to the ending


Because it's not the ending that matters; it's the journey.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
Mortis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States217 Posts
October 16 2010 23:38 GMT
#27
I know man, it just seems I can't get any of my friends to play SC2. I don't want to lay into them because maybe it's just not their kinda game. We all have those games/game types we don't care for. The problem is, when I see them all playing the exact same thing that's trending like COD, Halo, etc., it just makes me think they don't like starcraft because it's not instant action / gratification the way shooting someone is in an FPS. Just my two cents.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
October 17 2010 00:55 GMT
#28
On October 17 2010 08:38 Mortis wrote:
I know man, it just seems I can't get any of my friends to play SC2. I don't want to lay into them because maybe it's just not their kinda game. We all have those games/game types we don't care for. The problem is, when I see them all playing the exact same thing that's trending like COD, Halo, etc., it just makes me think they don't like starcraft because it's not instant action / gratification the way shooting someone is in an FPS. Just my two cents.

I don't think it's really fair to say something like 'instant gratification' in this case. There's nothing wrong with not playing a game because you think it's too hard to get into.
Besides, for most people gaming is just a way to relax. They don't really care about getting better, just about having some fun before going to work/school or whatever.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 17 2010 01:00 GMT
#29
i laughed at the topic title far too much
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Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
October 17 2010 01:40 GMT
#30
Casuals......
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
October 17 2010 02:09 GMT
#31
forget about this friend of yours and just stick to playing with your online friends.. I separated both my IRL friends who only seem to pick up dota or other FPS games while I keep my SC BW SC 2 friends in line with me.

To tell you honestly your friend doesn't seem competitive enough for this game, you really should have that certain "rage within attitude" to play this game properly. Since he already gave up just let him be
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 17 2010 03:47 GMT
#32
i have a dream where i meet a random person on teh street and hes like yo man u paly sc and im like yea man i play scbw like all fuckng day long mang then he thniks that his fastest map ever strategies are gonna work then i use vultures like nada and rape all his workers until hes crying on his knees and MASTER PLZ TEACH ME THE WAY the im like yea no prob bro then he actually dedicates his time to learning instead of going like

man this games too hard ur too good man yea im gonna go back to playing wow
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