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All my friends seem to think that Starcraft is easy. You don't need to work at it. They are wrong! You do need to work at it. My friend wanted to learn how to get better at starcraft. Of course then when he thought he was good enough to play against me, and I utterly destroyed him, he gave up. I wanted him to actually get good, but he thought it was going to be easy. It really isn't that easy. Kind of a pointless blog I know, but sort of wanted to vent about that. I don't know too many people IRL that plays Starcraft. It would have been cool to have a friend that would play Starcraft with me.
   
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On October 17 2010 01:12 RyuChus wrote:All my friends seem to think that Starcraft is easy. You don't need to work at it. They are wrong! You do need to work at it. My friend wanted to learn how to get better at starcraft. Of course then when he thought he was good enough to play against me, and I utterly destroyed him, he gave up.  I wanted him to actually get good, but he thought it was going to be easy. It really isn't that easy. Kind of a pointless blog I know, but sort of wanted to vent about that. I don't know too many people IRL that plays Starcraft. It would have been cool to have a friend that would play Starcraft with me.
Well if they're not good players then they're wrong?
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I thought "than" in headline was out of pun.
But yeah, SC takes a lot of practice and consistency (just see idra). Tell your mates to watch some pro gamers replay.
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough... They think that it takes no effort to get good at this game. They try and play it, because they think it takes no effort, and when they get absolutely crushed they hate it. Which is really kind of stupid, I think that they should really give it a chance.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
Make him watch VODs since there are many games for people to watch on youtube.If this is EC2 then its really easy to find someone who casts games....If its BW then I suggest Korean commentary but if he insists on English commentary look for Moletrap,Klazart,NukeTheStars,RanshinDA and every single game uploaded on VioleTAK.
VODS generate interest to continue to play the game.
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Have him play starcraft 2 first then play sc1
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Are we talking BW or SC2?
BW has a larger learning curve because mechanics can only be gained over time, and it's more APM/multitasking dependent compared to SC2. SC2 is still quite hard for the average gamer/casual player, though.
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tell him that the fun part about starcraft isnt becos of it's simplicity =D
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i dont get how people can enjoy beating a game that's easy. =\ if you watch a movie you always get to the ending
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It's both, I made him play both. And can a mod fix the title... I had like 12 hours of sleep so I feel kind of wonky, never having had that much sleep before. He also thinks that it's kind of stupid that there are progamers and stuff, I did make him sit through a few VODs. He was sort of interested. I guess after I played against him, just so I could see what level of play he was at, and him losing made him kind of sad.
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Well it's the same with many things, people look at it and think "I could do that", but it's actually way harder than it looks.
A lot of people are really bad at getting others into the game though. They say stuff like "watch these VODs, download these replays, memorise these build orders, play 1000 games."
Sure that's what they have to do to get good, but newbies should be treated more like young children, you get them interested and self-motivated by teaching them in a more casual way before slamming 20 textbooks in front of them.
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It's amazing how easy it is for people to understand how difficult starcraft is if they watch you play. Not like a replay, but have them sit behind/next to you and talk to them about the game while you're playing. As long as you are kind of fast and decent at sc then they'll understand after 1 game how hard it is.
At least that's how it is with everyone I've shown starcraft to.
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It took awhile to get my friends into the whole starcraft scene as well but my general excitement and enthusiasm to watch live streams, tournaments, and VOD's forced them to pay attention. Then when SC2 came out, I just had to get them interested in laddering. They all don't play a lot, some more than others, but they all now watch live streams, VOD's, and are really into the whole e-sports scene with the GSL, IEM, HDH, and MLG tournaments.
EDIT: Like the poster said above me, getting them to watch you play will help a lot. I have a lot of LAN's at my house and them seeing me play, or watch sc / sc2 all the time helped a lot.
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I didn't actually go like, "WATCH THESE GAMES AND YOU WILL LEARN!!!".
He had a lot of troubles with macro, or even A-moving. I kept trying to get him to A-move but he just wouldn't. He would right click separate units and some of his units would just stand there while the front 2 shot the zerglings or something.
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why do you play against him play some 2v2s and such it'll be much funner try not to turn everything into a competition between you guys
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On October 17 2010 01:31 Nytefish wrote: Well it's the same with many things, people look at it and think "I could do that", but it's actually way harder than it looks.
A lot of people are really bad at getting others into the game though. They say stuff like "watch these VODs, download these replays, memorise these build orders, play 1000 games."
Sure that's what they have to do to get good, but newbies should be treated more like young children, you get them interested and self-motivated by teaching them in a more casual way before slamming 20 textbooks in front of them. I'll be your kid any time.
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All my friends think SC is too hard, they think it's work rather than fun and never play :/
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Haha there is a certain amount of knowledge required to realize that your absolutely terrible at a game. My friends and I all used to think we were great until I discovered TL and PGT and starting to learn how to actually play the game.
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DO NOT bother with friends who cant play SC its waste of time... xD jk Give it time man, if they dont want to play with you and you want it so what ? next week he will play with you another game, let him win than own him and than play 2v2 : )
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Alot of my friends that played halo got sc2. They thought the game was easy to pick up, and then they found out that they were really terrible at it. They were all pulling about 10 or 15 apm with no understanding of build orders or strategy in general. I offered my help but none accepted except for one of my friends w a PS3(possible trend). I was able to get him up to gold but he's still playing at only about 15-25 apm. Fast forward by a month, and none of them have even touch bnet.
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Well it's easy to LEARN the basics of the game. I, like most people, started off in single player learning all the units, abilities and names. THAT is easy. But survival and multiplayer skills, micro and macro are a never ending journey.
All the REAL skills I learned for SC I got from playing online and watching VODs.
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Heh, you know, a lot of people probably will not be able to hit diamond at this game no matter how hard they try, and the applies to people around mid level diamond who will never be as good as Idra.
I'm willing to bet most high level players right now have had an extensive RTS history. So how do you propose to teach a guy who thinks Halo is the greatest game of all time to play SC2? The reverse is also true for myself: there is no way in hell I'll ever be at a decent level in a game that uses a controller to aim after having played SC and CS on the PC since 1999-2000.
Anyways, it's no big deal that your buddies don't take the game seriously. Just play some team games with them and have some fun doing goofy shit.
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lol... SC is the complete opposite of what they think it is.
If anything, SC is one of THE hardest if not THE hardest game to play/get good at
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I persuaded my friends to play and I learned that you can't push them to get better because everytime I play them, I just destroy them. As a result, they didn't want to play 1v1 with me anymore. However, if you let your friends play with your other sucky friends, they'll improve together and they'll be more motivated.
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On October 17 2010 01:23 seRapH wrote:i dont get how people can enjoy beating a game that's easy. =\ if you watch a movie you always get to the ending 
Because it's not the ending that matters; it's the journey.
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I know man, it just seems I can't get any of my friends to play SC2. I don't want to lay into them because maybe it's just not their kinda game. We all have those games/game types we don't care for. The problem is, when I see them all playing the exact same thing that's trending like COD, Halo, etc., it just makes me think they don't like starcraft because it's not instant action / gratification the way shooting someone is in an FPS. Just my two cents.
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On October 17 2010 08:38 Mortis wrote: I know man, it just seems I can't get any of my friends to play SC2. I don't want to lay into them because maybe it's just not their kinda game. We all have those games/game types we don't care for. The problem is, when I see them all playing the exact same thing that's trending like COD, Halo, etc., it just makes me think they don't like starcraft because it's not instant action / gratification the way shooting someone is in an FPS. Just my two cents. I don't think it's really fair to say something like 'instant gratification' in this case. There's nothing wrong with not playing a game because you think it's too hard to get into. Besides, for most people gaming is just a way to relax. They don't really care about getting better, just about having some fun before going to work/school or whatever.
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i laughed at the topic title far too much
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Casuals......
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forget about this friend of yours and just stick to playing with your online friends.. I separated both my IRL friends who only seem to pick up dota or other FPS games while I keep my SC BW SC 2 friends in line with me.
To tell you honestly your friend doesn't seem competitive enough for this game, you really should have that certain "rage within attitude" to play this game properly. Since he already gave up just let him be
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
i have a dream where i meet a random person on teh street and hes like yo man u paly sc and im like yea man i play scbw like all fuckng day long mang then he thniks that his fastest map ever strategies are gonna work then i use vultures like nada and rape all his workers until hes crying on his knees and MASTER PLZ TEACH ME THE WAY the im like yea no prob bro then he actually dedicates his time to learning instead of going like
man this games too hard ur too good man yea im gonna go back to playing wow
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