• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:26
CEST 14:26
KST 21:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview9[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?28Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris46Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Heaven's Balance Suggestions (roast me) Speculation of future Wardii series Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Monday Nights Weeklies LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments 🏆 GTL Season 2 – StarCraft II Team League
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Starcraft at lower levels TvP Victoria gamers
Tourneys
Is there English video for group selection for ASL [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Teeworlds - online game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 836 users

Starcraft: A Bad Influence?

Blogs > SleepSheep
Post a Reply
SleepSheep
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 10:39:08
October 13 2010 10:26 GMT
#1
Sometimes I hear the phrase: "I spend too much time on this game", referring to Starcraft. It's like people have some kind of guilt associated with playing this game. I think that they are right a lot of the time. It's been a great source of procrastination for me over the years. But it's not that simple. I don't think it's the best mindset. The fact is there haven't been many sources of learning I've had in my life as rewarding as the learning I've got from playing Starcraft. At first I was reluctant to admit something like that. I mean, it's "just a game". But Chess is just a game too. And Karate is just a sport. And yet both have been recognized as adding value to someone's life and intellect. I think that Starcraft can be put on the same level.

[image loading]

Because like most games it's not the game itself that's stopping you from getting those kinds of benefits, it's the way you approach it that's the issue. That's why I feel like people are missing out so much whenever I see someone using cheeses and set build orientated play over the majority of the games. If Karate requires you to adapt to the opponent and to get into their head, Starcraft too allows you the opportunity to spar with someone on an intellectual battle field. But I don't think winning is what lets you know you've succeeded. Because in reality it's an entirely personal battle, for two reasons: One, the game itself isn't refined and practiced enough to the point where the better opponent always wins. There's lots of variance associated with a new game, as well as the natural luck involved. Two, measuring your success by your "results" is a losing battle. Psychologically it is a losing battle. It's no form of psychobabble when I say that it's generally agreed by psychologists that the ones that are most likely to succeed and have the most happiness when pursing anything, are those that focus on mastery rather than results. It's why win ratios mean nothing.

[image loading]
impressive isn't it?

Of course, it isn't entirely so simple on the surface. I think when Idra gets mad after a loss it's not necessarily a bad thing either. He's a professional, he has other obligations that he has to meet. For a professional results do matter. But for students, that's simply not the case. It's inconsistent actually, to use pros as an example in that case. Because being a pro already implies a sense of mastery. Once you've mastered something there isn't as much learning that you can do besides refining builds and researching them over the course of a series of games. There are diminishing returns involved with practice that accrue the closer you get to the level of someone like Nony. Which is why you hear him talking about refining builds. And why people get so excited when new builds in BW are created. Failsafe, is another good example. He doesn't play as often anymore, but he's one of our top gamers at sMi and I really think he could probably be one of the top in America if he chose. He has a mastery over those special skills such that it would be very easy for him. There isn't much else to learn for him besides refining builds and SC2. The only thing stopping him from playing is a desire to be recognized as one of the best and the associated glory. Some people are simply interested enough in the glory, and others aren't.

[image loading]


I realize it might sound kind of strange for me to say that there isn't much learning to do, so before you denounce what I'm saying as bullshit, let me clarify. I mean, It's a new game after all, and patches are going to be released to change the parameters of the game on an ongoing basis. But I'm not talking about that kind of learning. I'm talking about the kind of learning that is fundamental; one example would be your deductive reasoning. Scouting is important in SC2 because it gives you information. You use this information to deduce what your opponent might be going. You put him on a "range' of possible tech paths he might be going. Your best course of action often involves you following a build order which deals with that range the best. The more information you acquire throughout the course of the game, the more you can specialize in a certain class of units that is going to be most effective against the pin pointed army composition your opponent has. You do this by being logical. You practice this and you get better at it. It's not very hard to apply to a game like Starcraft I think. But it's surprising how many people have no concept of this. They may understand it intuitively. But they miss out when they fail to realize how important it really is, and how much it could improve their game.


Another thing you can develop in Starcraft is your powers of analysis. Analyzing why certain things work. And why other things failed. And figuring out what you could do against a particular opponent. It's no wonder that financial institutes in Korea hire progamers to be analysts when they have no finance training at all. It's because they've developed some fundamental skills; skills which happen to be applicable to areas outside of Starcraft. I do think I've spent way too much time over the years playing this game, including Brood War, of course. I've often let it affect my schooling and my relationships. But as it stands now I really have no regrets. It's given me a lot of confidence. I easily see it making a positive influence on other areas of my life, including my school. That's why I think it's wrong to think that playing a game like Starcraft is a total waste of time. Sometimes it is. I wouldn't advice people playing the game as much as I did in the past. But that's only because I was doing it wrong for awhile. Again, I think it's the way you approach it that makes the difference.

And of course if you're part of a team, it can get pretty rewarding to work together versus other teams. And the relationships you can develop are ones you might be fortunate enough to consider invaluable.

I don't see anything wrong with not taking it SC THAT seriously either. It still can be played as a form of entertainment game. I just think though that when you play and enjoy it as much as most of us do it might be wise to stop considering it as "just a game" and give it some more respect.

That said, I don't think anything I've said should be used as an excuse to procrastinate doing your homework.

Perhaps more importantly:

wtfwtf. I have a baby nephew, I love him and I think he's ridiculously adorable, but the baby in the video is the mofoing cutest baby I've ever seen in my life.



****
101TFP
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
420 Posts
October 13 2010 10:33 GMT
#2
aaawwwww...
look at the baby...

wait what did you just say?

People get what they get, this has nothing to do with what they deserve.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
October 13 2010 11:08 GMT
#3
Epic fail with giant wall of text then video that's going to steal everyone's attention... i like shiny stuff! sorry ^_^
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
October 13 2010 11:28 GMT
#4
Damn it! Why does my girlfriend have to be white - how will I ever have an asian baby?
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
October 13 2010 12:43 GMT
#5
On October 13 2010 20:28 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Damn it! Why does my girlfriend have to be white - how will I ever have an asian baby?


asian hooker?

yea the video detracts from your post
Check out my SC Lan pics Here: http://picasaweb.google.com/bunk.habit
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
October 13 2010 13:16 GMT
#6
its not a TOTAL waste of time, but for certain people who have other goals in life, such as music.. I often think how different my life would be if I spent 6 hours a day on music instead of 3 on music and 3 on SC for the past 10 years =/
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66201 Posts
October 13 2010 13:17 GMT
#7
this is how i saw the OP

text
text
text
tl:dr

CUTE BABY VIDEO ZOMG


+ Show Spoiler +
and it's k i don't have any homework til next year \o/
POGGERS
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
October 13 2010 15:10 GMT
#8
man i really cant stand babies...
till that nice post...
Stork FAN!!!
DarkOmen
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada72 Posts
October 13 2010 16:01 GMT
#9
I like how your post started out, but the video at the end was just too random. See how many replies you're getting about that, even though you were sincerely trying to make a well-thought out post? /sigh

That being said, I actually agree very much with your general sentiment. I've tried to explain to people that I would probably have never made it in my chosen career (or had a much harder time of it) had I not played so much SC1 and learned things like multitasking, situational awareness, and reacting decisively to rapidly changing situations.

Most people look at me funny when I say this, but in my heart I know it's true! So what if I learned those fundamental skills with drones and zerglings instead of [insert something more directly applicable to real life here]?
"I'm on a pumpkin pie diet right now. It's all I eat. I feel like I'm gonna die, but it's so delicious." - Artosis
Yotta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
October 13 2010 17:26 GMT
#10
Like everyone else, apparently, I read your wall of text, watched the lemon baby video, and instantly forgot everything you said.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
October 13 2010 22:53 GMT
#11
I like how you put a go picture and talked about chess^^



+ Show Spoiler +
go>chess

yes I am an elitist go player
Writer
-CheekyDuck-
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia398 Posts
October 14 2010 01:05 GMT
#12
On October 14 2010 07:53 swanized wrote:
I like how you put a go picture and talked about chess^^



+ Show Spoiler +
go>chess

yes I am an elitist go player


umm..... its considered chinese chess.... =/
More expensive than a mothership
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
October 14 2010 01:18 GMT
#13
On October 14 2010 10:05 CheekyDuck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2010 07:53 swanized wrote:
I like how you put a go picture and talked about chess^^



+ Show Spoiler +
go>chess

yes I am an elitist go player


umm..... its considered chinese chess.... =/

It actually is go, chinese chess uses a similar board to american chess.

nice post OP.
coLCruncher fighting!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66201 Posts
October 14 2010 08:46 GMT
#14
On October 14 2010 10:05 CheekyDuck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2010 07:53 swanized wrote:
I like how you put a go picture and talked about chess^^



+ Show Spoiler +
go>chess

yes I am an elitist go player


umm..... its considered chinese chess.... =/

this is chinese chess (xiang qi in chinese)
[image loading]


go is wei qi in chinese.
POGGERS
-CheekyDuck-
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia398 Posts
October 15 2010 00:07 GMT
#15
pft. i know its go. my dad plays go all the time.

but i can say for fact in down under its also called chinese chess, and then there is also as you pointed out chinese chess....
More expensive than a mothership
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
October 15 2010 02:44 GMT
#16
God, derailment... Anyway, what i like about playing Starcraft is my hand+eye coordination has increased. I have very fast reflexes, yeah and analysis of situation maybe a little. But when it comes to etiquette I usually look at TL..
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 15 2010 02:55 GMT
#17
Never....ever.....

Ask if Starcraft is a bad habit in a forum that reveres Starcraft.

Most, not all, but most of the time you will not get the most honest and objective opinions.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
October 15 2010 03:31 GMT
#18
You can't really blame people for derailment when the OP derails itself even before one posts. Still cute video though.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
October 15 2010 04:10 GMT
#19
wow that was a cute baby. wow.

what was the rest of it about again?
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
December 01 2010 19:01 GMT
#20
OP is Jason Lee from GomTV here is a video of him in action.


go Team sMi


WAAAAAAATAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LiuLi Cup
11:00
Weekly #5
Harstem379
CranKy Ducklings213
Rex152
IndyStarCraft 122
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 379
mouzHeroMarine 324
Lowko285
Rex 152
IndyStarCraft 122
ProTech90
MindelVK 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 44159
Calm 12096
EffOrt 827
Leta 544
actioN 439
ZerO 349
Stork 317
Light 302
BeSt 275
Last 230
[ Show more ]
Mini 175
ggaemo 155
PianO 130
Hyun 98
Soma 89
Pusan 88
Movie 73
Sharp 64
Mong 62
Liquid`Ret 55
Aegong 40
ToSsGirL 38
scan(afreeca) 36
JYJ35
Sexy 32
sSak 29
sorry 23
Shine 21
Nal_rA 21
soO 20
Icarus 20
sas.Sziky 19
Sacsri 13
yabsab 12
HiyA 12
Backho 11
JulyZerg 10
ivOry 8
Bale 7
SilentControl 5
Terrorterran 4
Dota 2
qojqva886
Gorgc695
Dendi655
XaKoH 315
BananaSlamJamma187
XcaliburYe146
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1745
x6flipin616
edward26
zeus19
Other Games
singsing1550
B2W.Neo1005
DeMusliM402
hiko178
SortOf32
ArmadaUGS25
ZerO(Twitch)21
Dewaltoss15
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 840
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 35
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2998
• WagamamaTV329
League of Legends
• Nemesis2317
• Jankos939
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 34m
The PondCast
21h 34m
RSL Revival
21h 34m
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
Maestros of the Game
1d 4h
Classic vs TriGGeR
Reynor vs SHIN
OSC
1d 14h
MaNa vs SHIN
SKillous vs ShoWTimE
Bunny vs TBD
Cham vs TBD
RSL Revival
1d 21h
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Serral vs Ryung
ByuN vs Zoun
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
GuMiho vs Cham
ByuN vs TriGGeR
[ Show More ]
Cosmonarchy
3 days
TriGGeR vs YoungYakov
YoungYakov vs HonMonO
HonMonO vs TriGGeR
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Solar vs Bunny
Clem vs Rogue
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Maru vs Lambo
herO vs ShoWTimE
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
Sisters' Call Cup
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.