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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
October 10 2010 22:14 GMT
#1
Sup TL, I'm currently trying to figure out which new car to buy. I think I have it narrowed down to two:

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Volkswagen GTI

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Honda Fit

Let's compare them:

Perforamce
GTI is definitely much better here. Bigger engine, more HP, and really good handling. The suspension is stiffer than the Fit, not necessarily a bad thing. The Fit is still fun to drive, just not quite as fast/sporty.

Interior
They have about the same interior space. The GTI has nicer looking seats, steering wheel etc. It's also really quiet inside. It has a few more features, but not all of them I care about that much - stability control, heated seats to name two.

Cost
The Fit is probably about $7k cheaper, so a decent price difference. GTI gets decent MPG, high 20's, but the Fit gets better, low 30's. Also the GTI take premium gas only. (not positive)

Other Stuff
The GTI looks nicer from the outside I think, but not so big of a deal. Honda also has a much better reputation for reliability than VW, but I think they have gotten a little bit better.

The GTI is obviously a nicer car, but I should still be able to afford it. I'm just not sure if it's worth it. So taking into account cost, which do you think is the better choice?

Poll: Which Car?

Honda Fit (51)
 
58%

Volkswagen GTI (37)
 
42%

88 total votes

Your vote: Which Car?

(Vote): Honda Fit
(Vote): Volkswagen GTI



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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
October 10 2010 22:27 GMT
#2
My brother bought a Honda Fit last year and loves it. I've been in it a couple times and it's a lot more spacious than it seems from the outside. Very comfortable interior too. I haven't had the chance to drive it so can't say anything there. It works really well for them (brother and his wife) getting around the city, and it's fine on highways too.
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Gogleion
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States534 Posts
October 10 2010 22:32 GMT
#3
Golf GTi, hands down. VW makes great cars, and the GTi is one of their best cars. I would highly recommend them. My dad still has his old Golf GTI from the 90's, and its still a great car.

You know you want one.

Off topic- Why didn't you consider and Impreza? I've heard great things about those too.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
October 10 2010 22:32 GMT
#4
Do you really have to ask TL about which car to buy? :D Next time post pics and ask about which one you should marry :p
Fit looks way better, but Volkswagen is just volkswagen. Try riding both and see how they feel.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 10 2010 22:37 GMT
#5
GTI is by far better. I had an older model and now drive a new civic. The GTI is amazingly fast, and looks great. And if that doesnt sway you, its a VW.
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Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 10 2010 22:38 GMT
#6
I say get the Fit, it's cheaper, looks about the same from the exterior (in my opinion), and its 7k less AND has higher gas milage. If you actually have the extra 7k and wouldn't be going into debt, invest it and cash it in in like 5 years and get a car that is more expensive. Yay being frugal!
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Steelflight-Rx
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1389 Posts
October 10 2010 22:41 GMT
#7
WHICH CARL?
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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
October 10 2010 22:44 GMT
#8
Oh I have tried them both, and I'm not going to take the poll results to the dealer. Just looking for some more opinions.

I considered the Impreza, but which one do you mean? I'd prefer a hatchback to a sedan or wagon. The Impreza WRX seems a bit over the top for me, though looking at the price now, it's less than I remembered.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
October 10 2010 22:51 GMT
#9
Seems kind of random to be deciding between two cars when one probably costs twice as much as the other
Cham
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
797 Posts
October 10 2010 22:57 GMT
#10
I've heard great things about the Fit, but never have driven or ridden in one. My friend has a GTI and he loves it, but he has a lot of electrical problems with it. I myself have a Kia Spectra 5sx, and chose it over a GTI when I bought it, have you checked that out?
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
October 10 2010 23:01 GMT
#11
GTI all the way, much nicer car and as long as the cost isn't a problem then just go with what's better. You recognize that the GTI is better so I'm not sure what's holding you back. VW reliability isn't as much of an issue as it was in the 90s so you should be fine.
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SarcasticOne
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia213 Posts
October 10 2010 23:04 GMT
#12
if you want sporty, mazdaspeed3?
only issue is they are manual only... and i know manual's arent very popular over there in the US...
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
October 10 2010 23:13 GMT
#13
Well i'm actually planning on getting a manual. I test drove the regular mazda3, didn't think it was better than the Fit, other than being a bit faster. Kinda bad MPG also.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
October 10 2010 23:14 GMT
#14
Neither, look into the Ford Fiesta 3 door hatch version

GTI over the Fit though, if you're going to go Honda I suggest the Civic, if you want a hatch version look to see if the old Honda Civic Type-R is still around (haven't been following those in a while).
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unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
October 10 2010 23:17 GMT
#15
manuals arent popular in the US bc ppl enjoy not having to pay any attention to their driving so they can text or in some cases read books...there are truly retarded drivers out there.......go with the Honda Fit because its bound to be cheaper in the long run and its still a very nice car ^.^ however i wouldnt get it, but thats just me wanting a lancer evo/subaru wrx sti ^.^
SarcasticOne
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia213 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 23:27:03
October 10 2010 23:25 GMT
#16
On October 11 2010 08:13 LxRogue wrote:
Well i'm actually planning on getting a manual. I test drove the regular mazda3, didn't think it was better than the Fit, other than being a bit faster. Kinda bad MPG also.

if MPG is that big of a deal, then dont get the mazdaspeed... i get ~32 MPG on the highway, and ~20 in city driving
i own one (well, the australia equivelant the 3MPS) and find cars like the GTI rather bland and boring in return
and trust me, there is a huge difference between the standard car and the mazdaspeed 3

depends if you're after an eco hatch or a sporty run around, cause to me (not knowing much about the honda fit...) it looks like you're looking at 2 different types of cars here
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 10 2010 23:29 GMT
#17
On October 11 2010 08:04 SarcasticOne wrote:
if you want sporty, mazdaspeed3?
only issue is they are manual only... and i know manual's arent very popular over there in the US...


GTI is a much nicer car that the 3, and they come in stick as well. So if those are the options go with GTI still.

If money is not a problem then get the GTI it's a much nicer car.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Gogleion
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States534 Posts
October 10 2010 23:38 GMT
#18
On October 11 2010 07:44 LxRogue wrote:
Oh I have tried them both, and I'm not going to take the poll results to the dealer. Just looking for some more opinions.

I considered the Impreza, but which one do you mean? I'd prefer a hatchback to a sedan or wagon. The Impreza WRX seems a bit over the top for me, though looking at the price now, it's less than I remembered.

Definitely not the base model, the impreza gets really good with the WRX and then the STi isn't that good for the cost, but I don't know how much you want to spend so I don't know which one is the one for you.
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
October 10 2010 23:54 GMT
#19
gti is ridiculously good car it just costs way too much for the segment its in.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 10 2010 23:59 GMT
#20
By cost, the fit is looking to be the overall better option. Unless you want/need the additional performance of the GTI, I would want the fit
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unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 00:10:23
October 11 2010 00:09 GMT
#21
On October 11 2010 08:59 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
By cost, the fit is looking to be the overall better option. Unless you want/need the additional performance of the GTI, I would want the fit

exactly why im saying to get the fit (assuming this is your daily driver), as an option there are tons of cheap sportscars that you can get for under 5k, the mazda miata comes to mind and you can use these as sunday drivers where if you screw something up your still able to get to work and such plus with a sunday driver you can push it harder because the wear and tear wont matter as much for the same reason as if you crash it because you still have a daily driver ^.^

edit: plus with the money you save (you said 7k plus the fuel type difference) you will have more than enough to pull this off ^.^
pinenamu
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States770 Posts
October 11 2010 00:24 GMT
#22
Have you test driven these yet? I've heard from a friend who test drove the GTI say that during turns, he had turn the steering wheel way more in the GTI than he is used to in a Japanese car. It was his first time driving an European car. That itself made him lose interest in the GTI.

Can anyone confirm this? I drove only Japanese cars so I wouldn't know.
Surrealz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States449 Posts
October 11 2010 00:26 GMT
#23
GTI is by far a better vehicle.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24755 Posts
October 11 2010 00:31 GMT
#24
On October 11 2010 08:29 GreEny K wrote:
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On October 11 2010 08:04 SarcasticOne wrote:
if you want sporty, mazdaspeed3?
only issue is they are manual only... and i know manual's arent very popular over there in the US...


GTI is a much nicer car that the 3, and they come in stick as well. So if those are the options go with GTI still.

If money is not a problem then get the GTI it's a much nicer car.

What is better about the gti besides the brand name? Not street performance. Supposedly reliability? My speed 3 hasn't had issues although I admit it's only been a couple of years haha.
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underscore
Profile Joined August 2009
252 Posts
October 11 2010 00:38 GMT
#25
If you're female save $7k and get the Honda.
If you're not ... well, one of those cars is designed for women.

User was temp banned for this post.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
October 11 2010 00:40 GMT
#26
On October 11 2010 09:38 underscore wrote:
If you're female save $7k and get the Honda.
If you're not ... well, one of those cars is designed for women.


Thanks for the science.
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jon arbuckle
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada443 Posts
October 11 2010 00:53 GMT
#27
Man, I saw this topic title and got really excited because I thought it read "Which Carl?" and couldn't possibly imagine what could be inside except that any topic beginning with the subject "Which Carl?" couldn't possibly be all bad, and in the fraction of a second it took for the page to load I hoped silently that no one had posted "I think you should go for a Hot one" so I could do it, even if to do so requires all the wit of playing tee ball, only to be greeted with two cars in jpg, whereupon I realized that I was mistaken, that it said "Which Car!?," and that it is a blog whose subject I know next to nothing about and therefore could not contribute meaningfully to beyond this long-winded run-on sentence/paragraph (which is intentional, I assure you) whose design is such as to mimic driving without brakes, where the brakes are periods, and you should always use both where necessary.

So I think you should go for a Hot one.
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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
October 11 2010 01:06 GMT
#28
If you are planning to do any future work on your car, get the honda. Being Honda and cheaper means there will be more after market support for it. If theres anything wrong in the future, I'd imagine the Honda parts would be cheaper and more readily available as well.

If you don't care at all about actual maintenance of the car and its just something nice to drive in, get the GTI if you feel comfortable paying the extra cash.
schaefer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States23 Posts
October 11 2010 01:23 GMT
#29
I love my GTI, so if price is not an issue I would say go for the GTI as it is the nicer car-- definitely in terms of interior and craftsmanship. The GTI has sport tuned suspension so, with out a doubt it will have better handling than the Fit.

Honestly don't see how these two cars compare other than both being hatchbacks. Get the Honda if you just need something to get around in and/or don't care too much about performance driving. Get the GTI if you value speed and performance and most importantly want to spend ~$26k after taxes for a new one.
Sashimi
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
58 Posts
October 11 2010 02:17 GMT
#30
What do you use it for? If it's just mostly city driving and some highway, then fit for sure. If highway mostly, fit still wins. It is the gas money matters, not the looks. $7000 gas money can last u years and years......
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 11 2010 02:56 GMT
#31
On October 11 2010 07:41 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
WHICH CARL?
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lol this is what i read too
MaReK
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Australia446 Posts
October 11 2010 03:06 GMT
#32
If you can easily afford the GTi, then get it. It's by far a better car.
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NotTheMonker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States131 Posts
October 11 2010 03:55 GMT
#33
I drive a Honda, and there is this guy in my town who drives a Volkswagon(maybe a GTI, not sure). He has theses stickers all over the rear windshield with all this Honda hate. For example, one sticker is of Calvin peeing on the Honda logo. For this reason, I find it funny that you are deciding between these two makes.

As for advice, get the Fit because screw that guy with the stickers.
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dinki0825
Profile Joined June 2010
United States238 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 05:45:06
October 11 2010 05:36 GMT
#34
My family has two vw's ('07 jetta &'06 passat) and I love driving either cars but be wary of their repair costs should you need them.

little rant below
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Our jetta had so many electrical problems ever since we bought the car new. It ranged from static coming out of speakers with radio off at the start to broken tail light warning that comes on whenever it feels like it-never got fixed even after 3 visits to the "vw certified"mechanic and now they won't even take a look at it without me paying for the labor since the warranty is done.

The passat has its own set of problems which include: bubbling and consequent flaking of every door lock/unlock switches' coating material (these would be covered under the "bumper to bumper" warranty but guess what they happened right as warranty period ended and each switch would cost me $50 to replace so $200 to replace them all), passenger side seat adjusting gear (stupidest way to implement a car seat lean back/forward btw) snapping off with minimal use. Just two months ago the catalytic converter failed somehow (unheard of from a <5 year old car as parts like that last for a car's entire life), which meant I had to drive the damn car sounding like a ghetto-pimped honda civics from 90's for entire weekend until they could fit me in to inspect it. Thankfully this part was covered under state mandatory emissions warranty which last longer than the regular warranty but if it wasn't covered somehow it would haveeasily cost me at least 2k.

Luckily most of these problems are covered under the warranty but for those things that aren't covered or when the warranties are done, you will have to pay for their relatively expensive parts (+ labor of course).

If money isn't an issue for you down the line (gas+repair costs) then go for the gti as the vw's definitely have an edge when it comes to fun-to-drive factor over most if not all cars in their respective segments. But in my experience their reliability is quite terrible and I would personally stay away from purchasing another vw unless money isn't an objective.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20152 Posts
October 11 2010 06:25 GMT
#35
GTI. By a long shot. [insert absurd metaphors about how much the GTI is better than the honda fit] My god even the name of it is fucking terrible. honda fit. it just sounds bad.
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Terrakin
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
October 11 2010 06:42 GMT
#36
GTI if you care about your image/safety, Fit if you are boring and have safe commute.
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