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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On September 28 2010 17:33 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2010 17:23 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Imagine a big cafe with free Wi-Fi, a nice big screen TV put agaisnt the wall, on the TV people are watching Football on match day, or CS, SCBW, SC2, and any other competitive games. Where does all the footage come from? The next room is a massive room filled with computers all connected to the net and each other in LAN. This is where people compete in games with tournaments each weekend with prizes for the winner.
Yes, I want to set up a PC bang in Paris >.< I don't know how PC bangs in KR are but I want mine to also be a competitive platform for tourneys and not just a place to come and play Every single decent sized pc room that has opened in paris never ever lasted more than a couple of years. Or you're just laundrying dirty french mafia money through your business. Forget about it. Rather buy a couple bakeries and be rich :!
LOL
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apropo dirty laundry.
There are wash saloons with bars or even live music, what about a wash saloon with pc bang combined? that would be awesome.
We dirty nerds can finally wash our stuff without losing gaming time, we can still play in underwear (hell, we need to wash the rest) and even be socializing.
What an idea!
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On September 28 2010 20:21 PlaGuE_R wrote:
but this is France, not Phillipines. France is an expansive country >.<
well thats not really a problem .. start with 10 PCs then 20 PCs then 30 ..
manage it by yourself .. every cent counts ..
use PCs that are fast enough to play SC2 in mid setting, those are cheap .. a PC unit that would cost 100$ each, based this out of newegg.
you need to start small, but think big for the future ..
2 friends of mine who are in their 30s own cafes, one has 15 units the other has 35 units .. they all make big bucks, its pretty easy imo. you just need a rather large capital. it doesn't really matter where what country you are from.
the equipment is practically the same price here and in the US so its safe to assume that its roughly the same there in france
the internet connection is a problem since we pay 22$ for a 1mb connection monthly .. id say thats expensive .. so yeah ..
edit: idk if im making any sense here .. i was doing something while replying here .. lol
edit2: and maybe the rates of business spaces there are also expensive .. try to find a place that has few PC cafes but fairly crowded
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On September 28 2010 20:39 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2010 17:33 Boonbag wrote:On September 28 2010 17:23 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Imagine a big cafe with free Wi-Fi, a nice big screen TV put agaisnt the wall, on the TV people are watching Football on match day, or CS, SCBW, SC2, and any other competitive games. Where does all the footage come from? The next room is a massive room filled with computers all connected to the net and each other in LAN. This is where people compete in games with tournaments each weekend with prizes for the winner.
Yes, I want to set up a PC bang in Paris >.< I don't know how PC bangs in KR are but I want mine to also be a competitive platform for tourneys and not just a place to come and play Every single decent sized pc room that has opened in paris never ever lasted more than a couple of years. Or you're just laundrying dirty french mafia money through your business. Forget about it. Rather buy a couple bakeries and be rich :! LOL
What you got against bakeries ? They bring insane cash since Euro.
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Or follow my business plan. Get a shop. Put tables in it. Get network infulstructure. Have people pay to hire sections for their own lan. Throw in a few tourneys but the key element is byo pc. An insane idea by me that wouldnt work since no one wants to lug their pc to places now a days...
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On September 28 2010 21:59 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2010 20:39 Rekrul wrote:On September 28 2010 17:33 Boonbag wrote:On September 28 2010 17:23 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Imagine a big cafe with free Wi-Fi, a nice big screen TV put agaisnt the wall, on the TV people are watching Football on match day, or CS, SCBW, SC2, and any other competitive games. Where does all the footage come from? The next room is a massive room filled with computers all connected to the net and each other in LAN. This is where people compete in games with tournaments each weekend with prizes for the winner.
Yes, I want to set up a PC bang in Paris >.< I don't know how PC bangs in KR are but I want mine to also be a competitive platform for tourneys and not just a place to come and play Every single decent sized pc room that has opened in paris never ever lasted more than a couple of years. Or you're just laundrying dirty french mafia money through your business. Forget about it. Rather buy a couple bakeries and be rich :! LOL What you got against bakeries ? They bring insane cash since Euro.
I'll ADD a bakery section to the cafe/PC Bang!!!!
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I dont know if you take this issue really serious since many attempts in EU to establish pc-bang have failed.
anyway, I just want to tell you how pc bang in korea works:
1.price: 1 hour play costs max. 2 Euro.
2.well established system: The one i liked most was card which you can charge: You have to subscribe to get a card for a fee (about 5Euro) and the more hours you buy, the more you get.
To play, you just put your card to PC.
3. culture: pc-bang is already a part of life in many young people in SK. Also many of them dont have time to go home and play because they have to learn tons of stuff in learning institution to get good grade in exams. So friends meet in pc bang after / before lessons and play.
In comparison, imo there is completly different living art in EU because people tend to stay at home and play online.
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Successful businesses (at least brick-and-mortar ones like you are proposing) aren't built on the whims and fancy of a founder, they are built on a good business model and a lot of hard work. For the sake of your personal financial health, I would NOT recommend this. The amount of investment it would require would bury you in debt. If you think you can charge enough to recover this investment, you are wrong. People, especially gamers, and even more especially "hard-core" gamers like the guys that would possibly go to SC2 LANs, are cheap. How much is GOM charging a month for GSL VODs? 20 USD? So what, 10 EUR? For HOURS of professional footage. And no one wants to pay it. How much do you think people will pay to watch your amateur LANs? Zero. So, you figure the LANs will pay for themselves? Keep dreaming...
If I sound harsh, well, good. If you really want to pursue this, you will have to convince skeptics like myself to invest in you, like a business bank. There are TONS of people that sink thousands of dollars into personal ventures that will never go anywhere, simply because all their "friends" told them it was destined to succeed, just because they think they are being "supportive". If you really want to do this, you need to run some numbers. See how much it costs to rent the amount of space you would need. How much staff would be required to run the venue. What the business taxes are like. Start working out how much income you would need per month to turn a profit, then see how long it would take that profit to pay down the initial investment, assuming a reasonable interest rate (assuming you have never run a business, assume prime plus 5%, which still assumes you can get a business loan and not have to finance the whole thing on credit cards and lines of credit).
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I'm 19, of course I'm not gonna half assedly open a business. But I'm allowed to discuss the possibilities of this idea with people no?
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good business ideas are a dime a dozen. However, i fear that this will not be a good one.
run some numbers, you're old enough to find whether its fiscally viable or not. (calculations in dollars)
so you have initial investments
20 computers at 500-1000 a piece $15,000
20 chairs (nice ones or people wont come) $2000
Remodeling of a businessfront (? in usa it would cost 3000 minimum? not exactly sure)
marketing to get your name out there? i dont think you have cash for it.
20,000 initial investment
and monthly costs (running 40 hours a week)
Rent 5,000 per month (pretty conservative, considering industrial area)
utilities 100-500
replacement parts; use depreciation. chairs and computers have a life of 5 years max. about 300 dollars per month
staff (2 at a time so one can go to the bathroom. Do they get a computer to play on?) minimum wage of 10 dollars an hour (probably more expensive in france) 3200 dollars a month
~8700 dollars a month
to break even at maximum capacity (not counting your initial investment) you need about 3 dollars per hour per computer.
assuming 50% capacity (conservative) you would need to charge 7 dollars an hour to recover your initial investment within a year.
which is too expensive. not to mention these assumptions are what i feel is the best case scenario. you could probably afford to run 80 hours per week, but i dont feel like redoing the numbers. it brings it to about 9 dollars an hour.
next time you can do these numbers before you ask other people why your business plan will fail
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On September 28 2010 18:42 PlaGuE_R wrote:
true, but still, theres gotta be a way, i mean there are like huuuge yearly lans (mostly focused on CS) that give money to winners in Paris.
Well hey;
If you have air conditioning; I can see a lot of gamers going there lol
Isn't is scorching during the summer time.
Maybe gamers who don't have A/C at home would actually be willing to pay to play in a cooling environment. =]
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On September 29 2010 01:37 gods_basement wrote:
good business ideas are a dime a dozen. However, i fear that this will not be a good one.
run some numbers, you're old enough to find whether its fiscally viable or not. (calculations in dollars)
so you have initial investments
20 computers at 500-1000 a piece $15,000
20 chairs (nice ones or people wont come) $2000
Remodeling of a businessfront (? in usa it would cost 3000 minimum? not exactly sure)
marketing to get your name out there? i dont think you have cash for it.
20,000 initial investment
and monthly costs (running 40 hours a week)
Rent 5,000 per month (pretty conservative, considering industrial area)
utilities 100-500
replacement parts; use depreciation. chairs and computers have a life of 5 years max. about 300 dollars per month
staff (2 at a time so one can go to the bathroom. Do they get a computer to play on?) minimum wage of 10 dollars an hour (probably more expensive in france) 3200 dollars a month
~8700 dollars a month
to break even at maximum capacity (not counting your initial investment) you need about 3 dollars per hour per computer.
assuming 50% capacity (conservative) you would need to charge 7 dollars an hour to recover your initial investment within a year.
which is too expensive. not to mention these assumptions are what i feel is the best case scenario. you could probably afford to run 80 hours per week, but i dont feel like redoing the numbers. it brings it to about 9 dollars an hour.
next time you can do these numbers before you ask other people why your business plan will fail
first, i wouldn't invest my own money into this cuz thats dumb, I'd get a sponsor. Second, I didnt make or have a business plan, i didnt plan on making a business, im not planning on making a business, I'm just saying an idea, that's it. I'm guessing you read the OP and went 'oh, i gotta make this guy sound like a retard cuz i went to business school'
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On September 29 2010 05:42 PlaGuE_R wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 01:37 gods_basement wrote:
good business ideas are a dime a dozen. However, i fear that this will not be a good one.
run some numbers, you're old enough to find whether its fiscally viable or not. (calculations in dollars)
so you have initial investments
20 computers at 500-1000 a piece $15,000
20 chairs (nice ones or people wont come) $2000
Remodeling of a businessfront (? in usa it would cost 3000 minimum? not exactly sure)
marketing to get your name out there? i dont think you have cash for it.
20,000 initial investment
and monthly costs (running 40 hours a week)
Rent 5,000 per month (pretty conservative, considering industrial area)
utilities 100-500
replacement parts; use depreciation. chairs and computers have a life of 5 years max. about 300 dollars per month
staff (2 at a time so one can go to the bathroom. Do they get a computer to play on?) minimum wage of 10 dollars an hour (probably more expensive in france) 3200 dollars a month
~8700 dollars a month
to break even at maximum capacity (not counting your initial investment) you need about 3 dollars per hour per computer.
assuming 50% capacity (conservative) you would need to charge 7 dollars an hour to recover your initial investment within a year.
which is too expensive. not to mention these assumptions are what i feel is the best case scenario. you could probably afford to run 80 hours per week, but i dont feel like redoing the numbers. it brings it to about 9 dollars an hour.
next time you can do these numbers before you ask other people why your business plan will fail
first, i wouldn't invest my own money into this cuz thats dumb, I'd get a sponsor. Second, I didnt make or have a business plan, i didnt plan on making a business, im not planning on making a business, I'm just saying an idea, that's it. I'm guessing you read the OP and went 'oh, i gotta make this guy sound like a retard cuz i went to business school'
thats exactly what i thought.
i was actually just putting numbers on something. it doesnt take alot of education to figure out how to tally up something like that. I was making a point about what constitutes a "good business idea," and how you could figure it out for yourself instead of having others illustrate why you're wrong. also i'm doing alot of finance, so its just a kneejerk reaction to explain to you what was up
I'm 19, of course I'm not gonna half assedly open a business. But I'm allowed to discuss the possibilities of this idea with people no?
sure are.
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On September 29 2010 06:05 gods_basement wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 05:42 PlaGuE_R wrote:On September 29 2010 01:37 gods_basement wrote:
good business ideas are a dime a dozen. However, i fear that this will not be a good one.
run some numbers, you're old enough to find whether its fiscally viable or not. (calculations in dollars)
so you have initial investments
20 computers at 500-1000 a piece $15,000
20 chairs (nice ones or people wont come) $2000
Remodeling of a businessfront (? in usa it would cost 3000 minimum? not exactly sure)
marketing to get your name out there? i dont think you have cash for it.
20,000 initial investment
and monthly costs (running 40 hours a week)
Rent 5,000 per month (pretty conservative, considering industrial area)
utilities 100-500
replacement parts; use depreciation. chairs and computers have a life of 5 years max. about 300 dollars per month
staff (2 at a time so one can go to the bathroom. Do they get a computer to play on?) minimum wage of 10 dollars an hour (probably more expensive in france) 3200 dollars a month
~8700 dollars a month
to break even at maximum capacity (not counting your initial investment) you need about 3 dollars per hour per computer.
assuming 50% capacity (conservative) you would need to charge 7 dollars an hour to recover your initial investment within a year.
which is too expensive. not to mention these assumptions are what i feel is the best case scenario. you could probably afford to run 80 hours per week, but i dont feel like redoing the numbers. it brings it to about 9 dollars an hour.
next time you can do these numbers before you ask other people why your business plan will fail
first, i wouldn't invest my own money into this cuz thats dumb, I'd get a sponsor. Second, I didnt make or have a business plan, i didnt plan on making a business, im not planning on making a business, I'm just saying an idea, that's it. I'm guessing you read the OP and went 'oh, i gotta make this guy sound like a retard cuz i went to business school' thats exactly what i thought. i was actually just putting numbers on something. it doesnt take alot of education to figure out how to tally up something like that. I was making a point about what constitutes a "good business idea," and how you could figure it out for yourself instead of having others illustrate why you're wrong. also i'm doing alot of finance, so its just a kneejerk reaction to explain to you what was up
I'm not asking people to illustrate anything, this is a DISCUSSION board, hence i wanted to DISCUSS.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
imo focus more on what your customers want, rather than what you want to do.
(ie the reason people are saying this won't work, is because this isn't what your customer base wants / there is no demand for this service, etc)
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in your plan, you would have to include food or something to asses for your expenses... Food is always a good money maker. xD
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