• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:34
CEST 18:34
KST 01:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!33Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro24 Group F BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6885 users

[Rant] My luck.....

Blogs > Impervious
Post a Reply
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-25 07:14:18
September 25 2010 07:04 GMT
#1
Note - I'm not someone who will usually ladder seriously. I was in the mood to play some 1v1 ladder games tonight. That usually doesn't happen, and when it does, I usually will play a lot before I get it out of my system, sometimes for up to a month or more..... Other than that, I'll play custom games against people I know, or will just fuck around in 2v2.

The results of tonight's gaming?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Fuck.....

The thing is - 5 of those games were against cheese. For 4 of them, I did a traditional 10 depot 12 rax 13 gas 15 oc opening, and got rolled (one game was an early pool, and he guessed the right direction for lings )..... For the fifth one, I actually did my normal 10 rax 10 depot 11 gas opening (with a delayed OC), which was the game I ended up winning (tried to pylon block my choke and cannon a T, LAWL). That opening hurts my economy, but it stops almost any cheese dead in its tracks.

The other 4 games were standard macro games. And, of course, for all 4 of those, I opted for the 10 rax 10 depot 11 gas opening..... One of them went for a 4 gate build (which I scouted), but put down an expansion instead of attacking as soon as possible..... I was confused why his push was so late, and by the time I noticed he expanded, the expansion had paid off for him, and it was gg..... Even then, these games were generally pretty close..... If I had the better economy from the more traditional opening, I probably would have won 2 of these. One was a big fuckup by me, I was caught out of position, the other was bad scouting. 2 were straight-up macro games where I was barely beaten.

Out of 9 games, I picked the wrong opening 8 times..... Pretty unlucky, but I guess it happens.

I thought I was going to be leaving all this bullshit cheesing behind when I got to Diamond..... When 800-1000 pt diamonds do it to you half the time, it gets annoying..... I mean, in BW, every opening had pros and cons, but depending on what your opponent did, you would usually have different timings where you would be at an advantage, and could exploit it. In SC2, this type of thing seems to be nonexistent..... Some openings seriously hard-counter other openings, mainly because of how much certain units hard-counter other in this game..... At least, that's how it seems to be.....



Also, I played a game as Z tonight (custom game). ZvT, on one of the ICCUP maps. The map was huge (Clone of Peaks of Beakdu). I easily exploited the mobility of Mutas and speedlings long enough to get 5 bases up and running smoothly before he could expand to take his 3rd. At that point, I just rallied shit into his base after attacking him, and won it. It felt, I dunno, easy? I had tons of cash to put down defensive structures everywhere (although I didn't, cause I kept him contained pretty well). I was able to expand, and backstab whenever he tried to move out, and he was forced to put up a lot of missile turrets. Eventually, he had to push out, and I crushed it (not in the first try, it took a 3rd wave or so to mop it up). I think large maps favor Z more than T, because the person I was facing is a random player, who is probably better than me, and I didn't even use queens (just used 2 hatches at each base). I had 200 food for a lot of the game, whereas he was stuck with ~140 at highest.....

And it made me wonder - why, exactly, is there a supply cap at 200? I mean, I've got the resources to make more guys, but I magically can't? It seems kinda dumb, and really punishes macro-play (which is essentially the only way to beat a turtle). It's limiting a player from using an advantage to gain more of an advantage..... I also felt the same in BW, but I didn't get to 200 food very often as Z. And, even then, it didn't seem to be that big of a deal in BW - I played as T as well as Z in BW, and I can't remember ever pushing out in a TvP (while on 3 bases) with more than 170 food..... And tank fights in TvT are so quick.....

It's late, I'm sick, and I'm tired. I'm off to bed.

*
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
September 25 2010 07:10 GMT
#2
I guess you're not impervious anymore...

Once again, jokes aside, the supply cap is an important part of RTS... it emphasizes late-game decision making (i.e. how many production structures you should have vs. how much you should be saving up for a larger army in the long run)...

Try playing a game such as C&C Generals: Zero Hour, and you'll see why supply caps are useful (other than for preventing lag)
6581
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
September 25 2010 10:10 GMT
#3
im sorry to hear this. but tomorrow is another day!
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:05
FSL s11 code S FINALs
Freeedom24
Liquipedia
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
15:00
#11
Elazer vs SpiritLIVE!
Clem vs MaxPax
Harstem433
Liquipedia
BSL 2025: Kraków LAN Pa…
15:30
LAN Day 2
ZZZero.O220
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 433
BRAT_OK 67
Trap 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 40556
Calm 6773
Shuttle 3318
BeSt 669
Horang2 559
Mini 477
ZZZero.O 220
firebathero 208
Stork 196
Soulkey 155
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 129
Mind 94
Rush 91
Dewaltoss 74
Last 59
Hyun 55
sSak 55
Snow 50
hero 46
Shine 45
Killer 36
HiyA 32
Mong 29
Hm[arnc] 22
Aegong 21
JYJ 18
Rock 17
scan(afreeca) 17
ZergMaN 16
Terrorterran 11
zelot 10
SilentControl 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Dota 2
qojqva4225
420jenkins395
Counter-Strike
fl0m4313
minikerr5
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King111
Westballz35
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu471
Khaldor379
Other Games
gofns16297
Liquid`RaSZi1562
singsing1463
crisheroes909
Beastyqt767
FrodaN666
Grubby505
Hui .222
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick5736
EGCTV957
BasetradeTV27
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 4
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH361
• StrangeGG 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV778
• lizZardDota2107
League of Legends
• Nemesis1917
• Jankos1866
Other Games
• Shiphtur229
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
17h 26m
Afreeca Starleague
17h 26m
Monday Night Weeklies
23h 26m
GSL
1d 18h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-27
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.