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United States533 Posts
Alright alright we all know that this game is no where near balanced yet. I play Terran, if that matters at all, and I do think Blizzard has some work to do. HOWEVER, I DO understand that balancing a game like Starcraft 2 is not an easy task. A balance issue that seems obvious to one developer may not even be an issue for another.
I think people are giving Blizzard too much shit and saying things like "I can't believe it's taking them this long to balance the game." Yeah we've all seen those kind of comments through out TL and Blizzard forums I'm sure (actually I know even though I don't go there) but people just don't get it. When you take a game like Starcraft and sit down and go "what's the problem with zerg, let's fix it" you can already tell there is a lot of work to be done.
If developers made "knee jerk" reaction balance patches to this game, it would just be a constant monthly phase of "X" race is OP. Also people seem to forget that THE GAME HAS BEEN OUT FOR LESS THAN 2 MONTHS. I still cannot believe the audacity people have to claim that Blizzard doesn't care about balance or takes too long to implement balance patches ect. What a joke. People need to realize that no game that has so many factors will be balanced right away. I mean look at a game like WoW's pvp, the game is what 5-6 years old and still has problems with balance in that aspect.
If you want to talk about giving a unit in Starcraft a buff or a nerf you have to consider how that affect OTHER units in the game. That alone is what takes time for Blizzard to decide what should be done. Also I'm sure they like to see numbers when it comes to things regarding balance like W/L ratio for certain MU's ect. Again, if Blizzard based game balance off of forum posts whining then this game would be a disaster.
This new patch was released and it started dealing with some problems for zerg with the early game. A lot of the concern was that zerg had such a hard early game that it almost always left them behind in the mid-late game. Blizzard's patch I believe was set out to make zerg be able to go into the mid-late game at a comfortable spot rather than feeling like they had to catch up to T or P. However, Blizzard's customers were very quick to voice there opinions about the patch even three hours before it was released by saying that the patch was worthless and didn't fix anything.
I mean was I the only one who was dumbfounded at the fact that people were basing the game off a patch that they haven't even played yet. Even judging the patch now is still way to early. The patch has been out for what 2 days now, and yet people are still complaining about shit. I'm sorry I'm starting to get angry but I still find it funny/frustrating that people assume that Blizzard can change the game in no time release start working on a patch and release it in a few days and boom everything is good to go. Shit makes me laugh.
As for all these pro zerg players coming out recently and stirring up the already hurricane-ish storm that is the Zerg is UP argument all I can say is I'm sorry. There are obviously flaws with zerg if even top level players (a lot of them) are saying something about it. Everyone already knows Blizzard knows about the complaints and are probably doing something about them. BUT AGAIN IT TAKES TIME TO PATCH AND BALANCE A GAME LIKE STARCRAFT 2.
Guess I'll end this rant by stating I hope people understand that Blizzard is working on this game and isn't stopping with the work after releasing a minor patch 1 month into the game's release. THERE WILL BE OTHER PATCHES, WORK STILL HAS TO BE DONE AND WILL BE DONE. All I can tell people right now is have some fucking patients and in the end Blizzard will deliver just like they did with Brood War.
**Probably a lot of grammar errors but I could care less
  
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I haven't seen too many people complain that blizzard is taking too long. If anything, I think a lot of people are complaining about how many patches there have been. In BW Blizzard was extremely effective and succinct with their patching. Maybe you've been spending too much time in the SC2 "Strategy" forum
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the only thing more annoying than ppl whining about balance is ppl whining about whining about balance. but baller, u ask, doesnt that make u the most annoying bc ur whining about some1 whining about ppl whining about balance?
yes, yes it does.
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When there are people trying to make a living off of playing this game it is absolutely not ridiculous to expect quicker balance patches and changes.
On September 25 2010 00:36 baller wrote:
the only thing more annoying than ppl whining about balance is ppl whining about whining about balance. but baller, u ask, doesnt that make u the most annoying bc ur whining about some1 whining about ppl whining about balance?
yes, yes it does.
you could never be annoying, man... never.
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On September 25 2010 00:36 baller wrote:
the only thing more annoying than ppl whining about balance is ppl whining about whining about balance. but baller, u ask, doesnt that make u the most annoying bc ur whining about some1 whining about ppl whining about balance?
yes, yes it does.
I'm so annoyed by your post making me more annoying than you..
good to see someone who defends the otherside...
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I must state that the views expressed in the above blog are those of the OP alone and not people with similar usernames 
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On September 25 2010 00:21 Treva wrote:
**Probably a lot of grammar errors but I could care less
did you do this on purpose
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You say that because you play goddamn Terran.
You are enjoying the game with your reapers, marauders, blue flame hellions, invincible thors, unkillable planetary fortress. Lost half of your SCVs? No problem, you have the goddamn MULE to make it up.
You get the medivacs to heal your imba stimmed marine marauder. Oh, you can use them to drop in the main too!! Really fun to play with.
People are complaining because it is hurting to play as Zerg. Zerg has nothing, Terran has everything.
I suggest you to change races, play Zerg, then you will notice why people feel enraged with the state of the game. Have you read the Fruitseller posts?
My point is, you cannot blame people who are not having fun with the game for complaining it to Blizzard.
/vent
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Yes blizz should have had this particular change out faster. IIRC, most of the balance changes made in 1.1 were the same as the unannounced changes that were present at the start of beta 2.
You might say "oh the game has only been out 2 months" yet the game was in beta for much longer, and these issues were still highly visible at the end of beta. Trust me, "zerg UP" is not new. The game was probably balanced better post patch 11.
Also, tell me why it would be wrong to have constant phases of "X is OP"? Just because it isn't your race? All I want is to not be gimped 1/3 of the time when I play. All I want is a decent fighting chance.
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On September 25 2010 00:36 baller wrote:
the only thing more annoying than ppl whining about balance is ppl whining about whining about balance. but baller, u ask, doesnt that make u the most annoying bc ur whining about some1 whining about ppl whining about balance?
yes, yes it does.
you gotta skate bro
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I don't understand why people who obviously aren't game developers are telling Blizzard to hurry up. I think Zerg are good, just unfinished. It almost seemed like Blizzard just wanted to go ahead and release the game and fix Zerg as they went.
Hurry up, they are trying to make money off of it? Then don't play Zerg. Shiat. Get a real job if you can't keep up.
Balance is a tricky aspect of the game, and Blizzard is pretty good at it.
/suggest all you would be developers make a better game or stafoo.
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Blizzard may have not hit the mark on release being balanced, but I've been happy that they waited so long to balance instead of doing knee jerk shit based on crying from shitty players.
I think that you can certainly speculate on the impact of a proposed patch before it hits, but the key is speculate. Most people were fucking retarded ARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHH OP T OP T FUCK FUCK FUCK. That helps absolutely nothing.
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United States533 Posts
First off thanks to those who actually read my blog and posted. Second if you don't like the blog you don't have to be rude about it, simply disagree and move on it's a blog ie my personal beliefs not a universal stance on things by everyone.
I agree with you Hawk the way people approach this whole thing is nonconstructive and not helpful.
Scruffy, I agree with you too, people don't understand that it's not as easy as "alright lets balance the game this week!"
Doga it would be "wrong" to have constant phases of "X" is op because this is the phase of "Terran" is OP and look at the shit storm it has caused. I don't think everyone wants to re-live this forever just with different races every now and then because whenever one race is targeted as OP all the other 2 races do is complain which is a turn off to the game.
Fabiano please actually read my entire post because you accuse me of standing up for Blizzard because I play Terran (lol). If you actually read my blog and didn't skim through it and jump to conclusion you would know that I agree zerg is weak and there are imbalances I am just standing up for Blizzard in a sense.
Myopia, sure?
Issor I agree BUT I don't think the game has been around long enough for people to assume that Blizzard takes too long for balance changes especially when they base the time frame of balancing this game off of nothing. I think it's kinda unfair that people expect sc2 to be balanced so quickly when people make a living off of it opposed to Brood War which took about 2 years to get "balanced" and before people made a living off of it. Just because this game started out with people playing it for a living doesn't mean it should take any less time to get balanced.
Baller, you're an idiot.
Subtleart, I never go near that crap of a forum section, and I claim what you stated because if you read the 5+ pages of the patch notes forum on TL before Plexa shut it down adn re-opened it, it was constant QQ about how horrible the patch was and how it took so long to get out.
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I've read your entire post and I'm not completely against it.
What I meant is that its really frustrating to play the game when the game isnt balanced, so people has to vent it somewhere, like Fruitseller did.
When feeling bad and not having fun you have to beg to Blizzard patch the game ASAP, even knowing they are doing it as fast as they can.
As you play Terran, when you log on Bnet you feel like you are gonna have a lot of fun playing. This should be truth to all the 3 races though 
Btw, I've played T for the entire Beta and early release, then switched back to my BW race P. Terran is fun to play.
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Just a helpful reminder to keep your posting less inflammatory. Calling someone an idiot and then complaining about crap sections of the site in a thread that obviously is asking for a debate is a good start to a ban story.
You are fine thus far I just thought I'd throw a word of caution your way 
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blizzard's patching is fine, they're well ahead of schedule as it is in comparison to the original.
but i still hate them for trying to cripple my favorite pastime ever.
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Technically, the game has been out since February, and it was being played for money very soon after that. Not only that, but Blizzard has had two excellent examples to work with, BW and WC3. If anything, they are doing a decent-ish job with balancing, but it really should be a lot better.
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so, since when did the blog section become an outlet for shit thats not even suitable to the sc2 forums?
There is NOTHING new and insightful to this thread, and teamliquid does not need to hear you bitch.
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On September 25 2010 02:31 iamho wrote:
so, since when did the blog section become an outlet for shit thats not even suitable to the sc2 forums?
There is NOTHING new and insightful to this thread, and teamliquid does not need to hear you bitch.
Are you kidding?? Unlike every other person who weighs in on balance threads, this dude took a breath and typed a fairly coherent blog. It's hardly bitching. All he's asking is that people consider the amount of thought and work that goes into patches the next time they feel the urge to press in their caps lock key and shit all over their keyboard.
Read any of the balance threads in SC2. That's incoherent bitching.
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