EPTOn September 14 2010 04:48 Ghazwan wrote:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/789458
Top 20:
#- Name- Race - W/L
1- Select - T - 366/152
2- Fenix - T - 210/94
3- Huk - P - 254/90
4- qxc - T - 205/76
5- Blendio - T - 491/308
6- Murder - T - 188/80
7- Painuser - T - 188/81
8- Silver - T - 233/118
9- TTone - P - 359/186
10- Katari - P - 263/141
11- kOre - Z - 207/104
12- KiWiKaKi - P - 169/60
13- REBUKED - T - 503/368
14- Masq - T - 149/84
15- Gretorp - T - 160/99
16- Stalife - T - 322/199
17- linko - T - 241/171
18 - AlLaboUtyOu - T - 374/275
19- KawaiiRice - T - 153/67
20- HasHe - T - 436/324
15 T, 4 P, 1 Z in top 20.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/789458
Top 20:
#- Name- Race - W/L
1- Select - T - 366/152
2- Fenix - T - 210/94
3- Huk - P - 254/90
4- qxc - T - 205/76
5- Blendio - T - 491/308
6- Murder - T - 188/80
7- Painuser - T - 188/81
8- Silver - T - 233/118
9- TTone - P - 359/186
10- Katari - P - 263/141
11- kOre - Z - 207/104
12- KiWiKaKi - P - 169/60
13- REBUKED - T - 503/368
14- Masq - T - 149/84
15- Gretorp - T - 160/99
16- Stalife - T - 322/199
17- linko - T - 241/171
18 - AlLaboUtyOu - T - 374/275
19- KawaiiRice - T - 153/67
20- HasHe - T - 436/324
15 T, 4 P, 1 Z in top 20.
I am surprised by how many of them I don't recognize. I don't follow all the smaller tournaments, but I would think that some of the top players would be making more of a showing.
1- Select - T - 366/152
2- Fenix - T - 210/94
3- Huk - P - 254/90
4- qxc - T - 205/76
5- Blendio - T - 491/308
6- Murder - T - 188/80
7- Painuser - T - 188/81
8- Silver - T - 233/118
9- TTone - P - 359/186
10- Katari - P - 263/141
11- kOre - Z - 207/104
12- KiWiKaKi - P - 169/60
13- REBUKED - T - 503/368
14- Masq - T - 149/84
15- Gretorp - T - 160/99
16- Stalife - T - 322/199
17- linko - T - 241/171
18 - AlLaboUtyOu - T - 374/275
19- KawaiiRice - T - 153/67
20- HasHe - T - 436/324
I bolded the ones whose names I recognize. Now it is quite possible I am just out of the loop and showing my ignorance but I would think this would mean they would be placing in some of the tournaments with that kind of play.
For reference here is a recent post on tournament winners:
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On September 14 2010 01:20 cuppatea wrote:
Here's a list of all tournament winners since SC2 was released at the end of July. I've included all of the high level tournaments listed on the Team Liquid and Gosu Gamers tournament results pages (all Zotac, Go4SC2, GosuCoaching, Craft, OpenWolf and Viking cups, as well as all major LANs, invitationals and even a few smaller cups featuring high level players). If you think you should be on the list but aren't, or have won more than is indicated below then post a reply linking to the tournaments you've placed top 2 in and I'll update the OP.
Only tournament winners are listed, with 2nd place finishes used to seperate players with the same number of wins. Obviously a gold medal indicates a first place finish and silver a 2nd.
Also, it's worth noting that due to the small number of Asian tournaments since release (that I'm aware of), there are very few Asian players in the list (only TheStC and Tester).
Tournament winners:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png)
MorroW - 12![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/common/gold.png)
4![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/common/silver.png)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png)
HuK - 7 3
Sjow - 6 2
KawaiiRice - 4 3
Strelok - 4
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png)
Dimaga - 3 3
Socke - 3 3
BratOK - 2 2
MurDeR - 2 2
NaNiwa - 2 1
Drewbie - 2
Fenix - 2
Nightend - 2
Silver - 2
TheLittleOne - 2
TheStC - 2
Kas - 1 3
Naama - 1 3
Cauthonluck - 1 2
KiWiKaKi - 1 2
MaNa - 1 2
Sheth - 1 2
Adel - 1 1
ClouD - 1 1
DeMusliM - 1 1
LastShadow - 1 1
SeleCT - 1 1
WhiteRa - 1 1
GoOdy - 1
Iefnaij - 1
PainUser - 1
QXC - 1
Sein - 1
Tester - 1
Thorzain - 1
TT1 - 1
Tournament wins by race:
- 51
- 22
- 4
Tournament winners by race:
- 22
- 12
- 2
Edit: Updated to include the results from the US Craft Cups.
Here's a list of all tournament winners since SC2 was released at the end of July. I've included all of the high level tournaments listed on the Team Liquid and Gosu Gamers tournament results pages (all Zotac, Go4SC2, GosuCoaching, Craft, OpenWolf and Viking cups, as well as all major LANs, invitationals and even a few smaller cups featuring high level players). If you think you should be on the list but aren't, or have won more than is indicated below then post a reply linking to the tournaments you've placed top 2 in and I'll update the OP.
Only tournament winners are listed, with 2nd place finishes used to seperate players with the same number of wins. Obviously a gold medal indicates a first place finish and silver a 2nd.
Also, it's worth noting that due to the small number of Asian tournaments since release (that I'm aware of), there are very few Asian players in the list (only TheStC and Tester).
Tournament winners:
MorroW - 12 4HuK - 7 3Sjow - 6 2KawaiiRice - 4 3Strelok - 4Dimaga - 3 3Socke - 3 3BratOK - 2 2MurDeR - 2 2NaNiwa - 2 1Drewbie - 2Fenix - 2Nightend - 2Silver - 2TheLittleOne - 2TheStC - 2Kas - 1 3Naama - 1 3Cauthonluck - 1 2KiWiKaKi - 1 2MaNa - 1 2Sheth - 1 2Adel - 1 1ClouD - 1 1DeMusliM - 1 1LastShadow - 1 1SeleCT - 1 1WhiteRa - 1 1GoOdy - 1Iefnaij - 1PainUser - 1QXC - 1Sein - 1Tester - 1Thorzain - 1TT1 - 1Tournament wins by race:
- 51 - 22 - 4Tournament winners by race:
- 22 - 12 - 2Edit: Updated to include the results from the US Craft Cups.
Does the ladder really show much about a player's tournament skill, I thought it was a better indicator but watching the GSL
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where the Top korean ladder player was just run over by PoltPrime
Now which of these skills is better probably depends on the specific player goals. I am not a top player so I don't know for sure what the skill difference is between them but I would think this might be some of them.
Tournament(Assuming bo3 or higher)
You can practice the specific matchup
You can study your opponent
You can give up a game to mess with your opponent ( check out Day[9] discussing using strategies that lose but manipulator your opponent for the second game.)
You need to have more build orders, so you are less predictable
Deal with nerves (goes away after time?)
Ladder
You can play % based builds, it may lose to a cheese move but since only a small % will do it the strat is viable.
You can repeat the same build, since you will be playing different opponents this is more viable.
You will need to be able to play for longer periods of time.
You play a broader array of people so you probably need more flexibility.
Need to have practiced BOs vs all 3 matchups since you don't have a specific opponent.
The TL guys over in korea though talked about doing extensive ladder training, so maybe it is less pronounced than expected. While most top players probably have more than 1 account, if you use it for trying out builds then naturally you will have a lower ranking than if you use it just for specific practiced builds.
One thing that I think will be interesting is if we begin to see trends. In economics there are what are called leading indicators, These are things you can watch to help predict how the economy might continue. I wonder if we might start seeing that people who make it to the top of the ladder can then parlay that into tournament skills. I know I will be looking out for Select and Fenix to see if they start taking tournament wins in the near future.
What do you think, are they related, or do they really need a lot of different skill sets.
and holy crap that's a lot of domination from Morrow.
