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A Case Study: Med School is the Easy Part 2

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Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
September 13 2010 02:59 GMT
#1
Hey y'all,

I am really grateful for all the replies at the last blog. If you post something in response to a blog, I will read it and reply, so go back and check if you'd like to see my responses. And a warning to new people... this is a rambling one. I couldn't shorten this up any more.

So.. I started broad. I'd like to talk some more specifics, mainly about decision-making, right up where I am now and what it means to interact in the real world. Every single person will be stuck in a situation with an 'impossible' answer, one we can't know to be right in the moment, but can be verified after the fact. I am not talking "House"-esque, "It's never lupus!! Give him the chemo!" I am talking about actual life decisions.

To go to medical school, the average student will apply with a 30P MCAT score, a 3.7 GPA from an average college, 150-200 hours of clinical shadowing, similar amount of time volunteering, research, and some sob story for their essay. In the year I applied, I was much better than that. It doesn't really matter much except that I had choice of where to go for an MD, a PhD (in Chemistry), or an MD/PhD.

So I had to choose between degrees, right? That seems like the pressing issue, one would think. Well, we are all victims of society. So I immediately through out everything out of state that wasn't top 10 in what I was looking at. Down to 2 schools. Why? Because I am FUCKING STUPID. Everyone going for an MD in this day and age can be boiled down to 1 of 3 people:

1) Daddy's girl/Mama's boy: I don't need to explain them.
2) Truly dedicated to helping people but not academically oriented
3) Neurotic, inferiority complex-driven morons (if you guess this one, you found Waldo)

I choose BU (Boston University) over MIT for undergraduate. Why? Because I recognized I was not MIT material. This was one of my few smart decisions. Ever. Cherish this moment with me. MIT (except the business kids, they are dicks) is for people who have intellectual self esteem and are borderline suicidal because they care so much about learning they want to be academically water-boarded for 60 hours a week with a 4 year minimum commitment. Yeah, I am a little bitch.

So I was left between the top school, arguably in the world, for MD/PhD and an average MD at a nameless southern state school (whoops, you might already know how this goes if you read Part I).

This how I understand decision-making: know who you are. Know who you are EXACTLY. Save your hopes and dreams for your personal life. I'll talk about this in the future, but be accurate to your nature in your career pursuits, be reckless in your love pursuits. We all want to be President at some stage, but how many of us really want to spend a life in politics? How many of us actually can put up with that bullshit? Not I. PhDs are for true brilliance. For people who literally never wake up a single morning and feel comfortable with not learning something academically novel and interesting. People who read textbooks and think "how can you even print this shit, when we still have only elucidated half of this information to any concrete detail?" People who know not that the world can be conquered, but that THEY can conquer the world.

I don't tell lies. Literally. It gets me into trouble. I don't mean that I do not lie about big things, I mean, if you ask me what drugs I've done, I just tell you. Whether I've known you years or minutes. My mom made me the mistake of asking about my sex life early on in undergraduate. The thing is though, those aren't the lies that make us make awful decisions. Those kind of lies are lies of convenience. The lies that lead us down idiotic roads are the ones we don't even notice we are telling ourselves.

My solution has been to tell someone every time I do something stupid or embarrassing. The first time I got pulled over by a cop, I accidentally handed him a condom instead of my ID. I was a bit frazzled because my grandma has just died, but still. How UNREAL is that? Start with the small things. Admit when you put your pants on backwards, you get wasted after a single drink. Why? It steals their significance. Once you do it with the little things, you learn to be brutally honest with yourself about yourself.

So I am choosing between a position so prestigious, if I published ONE paper in my entire 8 years there, I'd still get more job offers than you and your extended family combined, because academia is more inbred than West Virginia... and some nameless school where I will graduate a nameless MD and be subject to the same grueling trials every other nameless MD does. I would be no one. Here is where the brutal self-honest comes in, but you know what?

I AM no one. I am just a super nerdy kid who is willing to spend every day of his life learning INANE details of genetic pathways I never need except for Boards. I am intelligent, I can give myself that. But guess what? It doesn't fucking matter! Why?

Because my real passion is to have a wife who loves me and about 34 kids. That's it. I'd be a stay at home dad in a heartbeat. Having a job to brag about at my high school reunion? Could. Give. A. Fuck. Yep. I will be a great doctor because I want to help people and I've got the training, but I bet I could be just as content with my career if I were a PT or a teacher. All I wanted was a job I'd be "happy" with in the sense that we are "happy" with eggplant. As far as vegetables go? It's fine. Nothing more, nothing less. So I'll do something that can contribute to society, something that lets me continue to be a closet science nerd as a function of my job, and the rest of it will work out. Honesty, man. That's all it comes down to.

Don't believe me? Day[9] would agree. He lives the dream. Go watch Day[9] Daily 100. Choosing to be just a nobody MD is living MY dream.

Later y'all!

****
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 03:30:40
September 13 2010 03:06 GMT
#2
i don't know if they are all putting up a mask but the MD students at my school seem to have a quite different attitude (i am UG)
but maybe because they are in an elite, rigorous medical school with strong bent on academic medicine
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Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 03:28:17
September 13 2010 03:22 GMT
#3
On September 13 2010 12:06 phosphorylation wrote:
i don't know if they are all putting up a mask but the MD students at my school seem to have a quite different attitude (i am UG)
but maybe because they are in an elite, rigorous school with strong bent on academic medicine



University of Georgetown? That's lower ranked than my school. Sorry to burst your bubble, they are nobodies too, just like us. Your sense of ego is what I am talking about. You aren't special because you went to some school. You aren't better because of a program. You are what you decide. Nothing else. Once you get out into the real world, you'll see that.

EDIT: Sorry, UG doesn't mean undergraduate on the East Coast. I don't know if I am representative of anyone but me. I am not jaded, I just don't actually think being a doctor is more important than any other job. We all are doing are part.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 03:30:23
September 13 2010 03:25 GMT
#4
?

I am undergraduate (UG) . I am from Stanford btw and I have no reason to have any ego -- something you seem so fixated about -- since my med school propsects are looking pretty grim. Instead, I was talking about the medical stduents (ie not me) at my school and how their attitude is not as .. jaded as yours.
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shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
September 13 2010 03:56 GMT
#5
Life gets pretty good when you realize you can live for yourself and the people you care about.
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 04:05:47
September 13 2010 04:03 GMT
#6
If I may speak to understand your viewpoint...

I don't understand why you follow perceived stereotypes so consistently. Sure, a vast majority of MIT students may be super crazy about their studies and love nature and science, but I don't see how your logic implies you shouldn't have gone there. To me, it just seems like you don't want to put in hard work.

Also, if faced with a choice between a tougher path (but more fulfilling) and an easier path, I would probably take the tougher. It seems that you have the opposite view -- even if you're given an opportunity to have more impact on the world, you'd choose the smaller route and instead enjoy a quieter life. Am I correct?

Not trying to be judgmental. Just seems like a viewpoint completely different from my own.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
September 13 2010 04:08 GMT
#7
@ Stryker

I lived across from MIT, I worked there, I even taught there. I know what they are actually right. See you have this perception that because I am 'just an MD' i am doing less than if I were doing research as a "MD/PhD." I don't see it like that. I see it as a different lifestyle. You think jobs are WORSE than others. What is your excuse for not being an MD/PhD then? I suspect they are just as useful, they are just different. You completely misread my post. It isn't about more or less useful, its about what I want out of it. MDs save more people per year than MD/PhDs. MD/PhDs update more textbooks, find more medical devices. You tell me what is a better job. Which one is harder? Or maybe you will realize you have no idea what you are talking about.
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kodancer
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States89 Posts
September 13 2010 04:44 GMT
#8
I think you're starting to forget that this is merely a case study, not something you could generalize med students, med schools, etc as you see fit. You might as well be a misleading factor that would make this case study obsolete.
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
September 13 2010 04:49 GMT
#9
On September 13 2010 13:44 kodancer wrote:
I think you're starting to forget that this is merely a case study, not something you could generalize med students, med schools, etc as you see fit. You might as well be a misleading factor that would make this case study obsolete.


I said where I pulled my data from. I never claimed it was everyone. Anytime someone brings that kinda thing up, I answer clearly how it relates only to what I know. Case studies can never be obsolete. You can either find trends and study further to see if those trends warrant merit, or you cannot. I can't force anything. All I told about was MY methodology. That is what THIS case study tells you. Don't worry. The rest of it will be a clear display of poor decisions and failure. You'll feel better about it all at that point. We are working backwards in time.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 13 2010 05:02 GMT
#10
Most or all of the Ph.D students I know aren't brilliant to that extent or in that way, though granted I'm in engineering and not science/chemistry and am in an average graduate program. Those Ph.D students I've seen include those who have graduated and gotten good jobs, as well as me.

A high-five to you at going to BU over a difficult program like MIT. Like you, I have found myself better suited being a top student at an average school rather than a average student at a top school.
kodancer
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States89 Posts
September 13 2010 05:09 GMT
#11
What I meant to say was that your particular case study might be atypical, so what you're saying might be related, say, about 5% of med students.

But yeah, I thought you meant to talk scientifically, similar to your part 1. Now I see you're making this into one of Vonnegut's stories, unfortunately without the black comedy.
YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
September 13 2010 05:16 GMT
#12
On September 13 2010 11:59 Sleight wrote:
Because my real passion is to have a wife who loves me and about 34 kids. That's it.


Only 34, huh? I'm aiming for the low triple-digits myself.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
September 13 2010 05:54 GMT
#13
Do you have a girlfriend or a potential girl to be your wife? I understand what you mean by just being happy, hope it works out!
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
September 13 2010 06:15 GMT
#14
5/5 for Day[9] mention
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