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Is there such a need to distinguish the fact that he's good at mindgames? For me, professional Broodwar is ALL mindgames. To say that someone is better at mindgames is just simply saying that they're the better player.
Maybe this wasn't true even 5 years ago, but at this point in time, the top 10 gamers are all so technically sound and mechanically close to perfect that the only thing that distinguishes the champions is their mental strength.
Mental strength manifests itself in a couple of different ways. For one thing, keeping your composure and playing as close to 100% as you can. You sit Flash or Fantasy or Effort or Jaedong at home in front of the computer, they'll all play godlike. But the mental strength to play as close to your full potential on a stage is an important aspect of mental strength.
The other aspect is how you can predict and counter your opponent's strategy (hidden inside his head) and this is what are called mind games. In this, Flash and Jaedong both excel but in this series, Flash just stomped him. Even in the hotly contested Game 4 that people are raving about, the issue was never in doubt because Flash was always mentally and strategically one step ahead.
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Whenever people bring up stuff about mindgames in a favored matchup, I get really annoyed at these people, for it isn't equal at all. TvZ, T has the advantage in mindgames. T can 14CC or bunker rush or forward rax the zerg out of the games, whereas the best Zerg can muster is 4 pool. Does Flash has better mindgames? Hard to say, since he almost cant lose in mindgames. Like people were saying, forward rax and he comes out ahead/equal. The best zerg can hope for is to not come out behind.
It's like your rock/paper/scissors analogy. Except in Zerg's case, he can't use paper.
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On September 12 2010 14:55 cascades wrote:
Whenever people bring up stuff about mindgames in a favored matchup, I get really annoyed at these people, for it isn't equal at all. TvZ, T has the advantage in mindgames. T can 14CC or bunker rush or forward rax the zerg out of the games, whereas the best Zerg can muster is 4 pool. Does Flash has better mindgames? Hard to say, since he almost cant lose in mindgames. Like people were saying, forward rax and he comes out ahead/equal. The best zerg can hope for is to not come out behind.
It's like your rock/paper/scissors analogy. Except in Zerg's case, he can't use paper.
Well zerg has 3 hatch before pool. I think it'd be more like if they both use paper, terran wins.
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I just don't think its fair for people to say Flash isn't bonjwa when he has utterly dominated everything, won everything, the few times he's lost is less big of a deal than the few times savior lost in his prime, than when oov lost in his, boxer in his. We look at the game from so far outside that we can't even realize that, although these two players are on a whole new level, there is one that has won head to head matchups more often, who has won the individual leagues and the proleague matches and proleague championship.
We will all look back and know that Flash was bonjwa from late 2009 and onward, but for now we are cutting ourselves at the ankles and not allowing us to enjoy this period of the, where the best player in the history of RTS has shone in his light, and has shown that no one person can dominate him.
He is the best, he may not have had the innovation of Boxer, but he has the dominance and macro of oov, the small intricate micros not quite on the level of NaDa's innovation in his prime, but we are all doing Flash and ourselves a disservice to not allow him the title.
He is bonjwa, he is the best.
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On September 12 2010 16:22 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I just don't think its fair for people to say Flash isn't bonjwa when he has utterly dominated everything, won everything, the few times he's lost is less big of a deal than the few times savior lost in his prime, than when oov lost in his, boxer in his. We look at the game from so far outside that we can't even realize that, although these two players are on a whole new level, there is one that has won head to head matchups more often, who has won the individual leagues and the proleague matches and proleague championship.
We will all look back and know that Flash was bonjwa from late 2009 and onward, but for now we are cutting ourselves at the ankles and not allowing us to enjoy this period of the, where the best player in the history of RTS has shone in his light, and has shown that no one person can dominate him.
He is the best, he may not have had the innovation of Boxer, but he has the dominance and macro of oov, the small intricate micros not quite on the level of NaDa's innovation in his prime, but we are all doing Flash and ourselves a disservice to not allow him the title.
He is bonjwa, he is the best.
er, what? lol... Jaedong and OZ have also won Proleague grand finals.
wait, what do you mean we look at the game from "so far outside" we can't realize x y and z about their records? of course we can realize those things about their records. their records are all we've been talking about for weeks.
anyways, you've gotten their records wrong if you don't realize Jaedong and his team have also hoisted the proleague championship trophy over their heads. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/143_2007_Shinhan_Proleague_Grand_Final
a bunch of people basically decided that if Flash won this last finals, then that made a fan-proffered title "official," maybe because of the sentimentality attached to this OSL. I don't know. I wrote this blog to show what I final noticed in Flash's play.
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This is a great write up.
But to me, Flash is Bonjwa. He deserves to be up there with the other greats for his unique contributions.
It's like, in martial arts. You cant attain the highest degrees of black belt just by practicing alot, you need to make some sort of contribution to the art and have the commendations of fellow masters.
Flash reinvented TvP and TvZ and has the high respect of every player out there and is frequently mentioned as the player other players want to be.
He is bonjwa.
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On September 13 2010 02:05 Delerium wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2010 16:22 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I just don't think its fair for people to say Flash isn't bonjwa when he has utterly dominated everything, won everything, the few times he's lost is less big of a deal than the few times savior lost in his prime, than when oov lost in his, boxer in his. We look at the game from so far outside that we can't even realize that, although these two players are on a whole new level, there is one that has won head to head matchups more often, who has won the individual leagues and the proleague matches and proleague championship.
We will all look back and know that Flash was bonjwa from late 2009 and onward, but for now we are cutting ourselves at the ankles and not allowing us to enjoy this period of the, where the best player in the history of RTS has shone in his light, and has shown that no one person can dominate him.
He is the best, he may not have had the innovation of Boxer, but he has the dominance and macro of oov, the small intricate micros not quite on the level of NaDa's innovation in his prime, but we are all doing Flash and ourselves a disservice to not allow him the title.
He is bonjwa, he is the best. er, what? lol... Jaedong and OZ have also won Proleague grand finals.
was it not obvious that I meant all in one season?
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