EPTohhhhhhhh myyyyyyyy fucking god!!!
Lee Young Ho vs Patrick Möller.
hahahahahaha so fucking awesome.
gonna get raped so badly but who cares man!!
FUCK YES!!!
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iNfeRnaL
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ohhhhhhhh myyyyyyyy fucking god!!! Lee Young Ho vs Patrick Möller. hahahahahaha so fucking awesome. gonna get raped so badly but who cares man!! | ||
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; ) Good luck. I think you're going to need it in droves. | ||
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You are gonna be so f-f-f-flashed, but you're gonna love it.So White-Ra is going to play BW in WCG? I guess he must have been busy lately with BW training to get back in shape. | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:23 Kinky wrote: Just do what Nal_rA did against Flash more info plz | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
in one of the early episodes of Nal_ra's Oldboy, Nal_ra beat Flash with some sick reaver control. Anyway, GLHF! Personally, I would rather see you just try and represent the foreign community well with some good straight-up play, rather than do some cheesy DT drop or proxy gate strategy. | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
i think everyone on this forum (bw) dreams of doing what you're about to do On September 08 2010 04:18 deconduo wrote: Assume he goes 14cc and proxy gate him. list of things flash will suspect from a noobie: 1. proxy gate vs macro 2. proxy gate dt's 3. proxy robo? what i would do is go for a hidden robo, then reaver bulldog like nal_ra did, and make fucking sure to pay manage your reaver as you bulldog, then take that advantage or whatnot, maybe build an extra pylon to discourage him from thinking there's a pylon missing anyways | ||
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ii.blitzkrieg
Canada1122 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:40 Nal_rAwr wrote: hahaha good luck man you will need it i think everyone on this forum (bw) dreams of doing what you're about to do Yeah, but those dreams are nightmares. -.- Glhf man, btw who's the chinese player in your group? You could probably make top 8 and play another korean. :p | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
atleast try to keep up and don't get nervous and mess up, leading to the same type of stale loss you can win this if nal_ra beat him, i'm betting you're better than nal_ra is good now edit: like how nal_ra prepared on FS vs puma, but lost pathetically to some unsuspected vulture drop, don't let that kind of BS surprise attack ruin everything | ||
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nepeta
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I envy you so much... But then you must have worked hard for it, so gg, enjoy ^^ | ||
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frogmelter
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:52 DTK-m2 wrote: STOVE! Use the stove against Flash!!!!!!!! lol stove, i doubt that will even succeed 25% it will probably be cut partway through, because its pretty much the least viable and most ridiculous build in history? | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
lol | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13017 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:01 ZlaSHeR wrote: cheese him 1st game, put him on tilt, play standard AND WINNNNN lol groups are only bo1. Have fun playing the best terran of all time. | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:45 Nal_rAwr wrote: srsly though don't be like white-ra who played iloveoov couple years ago this one game i remember, and he just lost early in a boring pathetic fashion atleast try to keep up and don't get nervous and mess up, leading to the same type of stale loss you can win this if nal_ra beat him, i'm betting you're better than nal_ra is good now edit: like how nal_ra prepared on FS vs puma, but lost pathetically to some unsuspected vulture drop, don't let that kind of BS surprise attack ruin everything Dont worry, Infernal only chokes vs germans | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
Tho if you actually want to take a game, do what m18m did. 12 nex into 4 gate DT rush or whatever it was. still stove man, stove. Practice that shit, scout killing flashes scv's would be the greatest thing ever....EVER | ||
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:3 | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36704_fOrGG_vs_Kal/vod | ||
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Finland1533 Posts
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:21 Bash wrote: Try typing in "has left the game." and hope he doesn't notice your clever ruse. LOL | ||
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
Let there be many more bw wcgs to come! | ||
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
GL dude. :D | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
option 2: 2 gate corsair disruption web timing attack option 3. 3 stargate scouts option 4. 14 nexus into hidden stargates mass carrier option 5. 4 probe rush | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:13 Zergneedsfood wrote: This can either be epic or hella anti-climactic. it will be epic if he plays standard and wins it will be hella anti-climactic if he tries to go for anything related to stove imo On September 08 2010 07:21 Bash wrote: Try typing in "has left the game." and hope he doesn't notice your clever ruse. lol this only works when the game is paused, since your name isn't in color then what works better is to type something, then space out to near the MENU and type Nuclear launch detected. | ||
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Floydian
United Kingdom374 Posts
Have fun man! PS - out of interest, do you play SC2 at all? I haven't been keeping up too much with the SC2 scene at the high level, so not sure if you do. Just interested if you somehow practice both games at the same time. Sounds pretty tough to me, I was so lost when I pulled out BW the other day for old times sake. SC2 spoils you I know white-ra and bratOK both play sc2, wonder how they go about it. | ||
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Loser777
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But GLHF in your matches -you certainly are approaching them with a great attitude! | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
Zerg: 9 pools JD style Toss: 14 Nexus into DTs T: 4 scv a move CC aka. go kill yourself =))) jk, best regards | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
Poll: Strategy? Stove (54) Standard (11) Cannon rush (8) Mind control??? (5) DT drop (2) Proxy 2 gate (1) 81 total votes Your vote: Strategy? (Vote): Standard Vote? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
just hide your second pylon, somewhere randomly on the map dont do it for any reason or intention of using it to build anything but just hide it. Hopefully that'll confuse him enough without making you look like a cheesy dawg! | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
edit: If you stove Flash, I will love you forever. If you Royal Stove Flash, I will love you even more =P | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Even if I somehow won I would feel like a fucking moron doing so. Always disliked to cheese myself, honestly. It can be art - but I'm neither Terran nor Boxer. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
Practice hard give us all a fight to remember. | ||
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
I dare you to do the Stove build. I DARE YOU! lol | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On September 08 2010 22:25 iNfeRnaL wrote: I definitely won't cheese him that's for sure. Even if I somehow won I would feel like a fucking moron doing so. Always disliked to cheese myself, honestly. It can be art - but I'm neither Terran nor Boxer. Cheese it man. You know you can't beat him in a straight up game. At least provide him a challenge. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On September 09 2010 01:47 orgolove wrote: Cheese it man. You know you can't beat him in a straight up game. At least provide him a challenge. I'm pretty sure he won't win either way, especially against Flash's map hacks. Not to be a downer. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Think about it. If you lose to him standard how many times do you think he's donked on an A- foreigner standard? | ||
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GrayArea
United States872 Posts
On September 09 2010 02:52 LuckyFool wrote: don't listen to these noobs pat, play standard. do what gives u the best chance to win. Playing standard vs Flash will LOWER his chances. By preparing a cheese, he will significantly be improving his chances to win. | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
! [G] How to Beat Flash Players Introduction First of all, let me start by saying that this is one of the hardest match-ups you'll ever encounter. A good Flash player has a free, infinite-energy comsat station that scans the entire map, by itself, every 4 seconds or so without replay nor observer detection. Because of this, cheese builds are out of the equation. A good Flash player will send his scouting SCV just for harrassment purposes and to fool the enemy into thinking he hasn't reached that level of autonomous, infinite comsat. A good Flash player will always counter your build regardless of what you do. Proxy Gate rush him and he will kill your Gates and Pylon with 500 hp SCVs with no economical disadvantage (as these mine 20 minerals per trip) and proceed to kill you right there and then if he so wishes. Go up on a standard macro game against a Flash player and you will lose to his 200/200 3-3-3 (yes, that's an extra 3) army by 10 minutes into the game off of one base. With this said and kept in mind, let's proceed to our guide and try to capitalize on the disadvantages in Flash player's playstyles these days. Scouting Do not bother scouting a Flash player. Save that peon instead to gain the most minerals you can. Do not let a Flash player have an economical edge on you even though he will have quadruple of your economy by 2 seconds into the game. Here's a good formula for calculating a Flash player's mineral count at any given time x (in seconds) into the game: ![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/fci80.jpg) A Flash player will always open with 14CC. Do not 4 Pool, BBS, or proxy Gate a Flash, just take it like a man and keep playing as if nothing ever happened. Do not show hesitation to a Flash player or you will miss your Pylon at 8, 100% of the times and he will leave your base with a 10 kill SCV. Your goal for the early-early game is to save as many peons as you can and one building against a Flash player's scouting SCV, including Overlords. Build-Order A build-order is not neccessary. Thus, there is no point in discussing one. Your goal is not to achieve something by means of a build order. Whereas Protosses early expand, produce fast Corsairs and DTs and harrass a Zerg player to keep him in a multitasking/defensive mindset, and whereas terrans fast expand and mass up to 6 Factories for a timing push against a double expanding Protoss player, you on the other hand, need not do these things. Your build-order against a Flash player will only focus in one thing: Survival. vF is the only match-up in which a build's most important characteristic is building placement: Hide your buildings, spread them all over the map, make one behind a tree or float one to a corner. Your goal is to save as many buildings as you can from a Flash's scouting SCV in the early game. Defense If by any miracle you can tell a Flash player is about to attack you, pull all your peons (all of them) to your ramp and put your entire army behind them. Pray you survive the first harrassing/scouting push. If you do, keep your peons there, do not send them back to minerals. Instead, start building them from scratch again in your main. It is of utmost importance you don't forget this. It is also very important that you cover the entirety of your base's edge with Turrets/Spores/Cannons and make two rows of these. Note that this will only help you defend the first push at 3 minutes into the game so you need to cut peons and mass up an army afterwards. If a Flash player decides to attack you with his main army, press enter, press g twice, press enter again, then do alt + q, q. This is the best strategy so far against an attacking Flash as it will not let his army ever get to your base. This will, however, put you 1 game behind as a consequence. Offense N/A Late Game A vF lategame hasn't been reached as of today. Humanity still has no knowledge in this area. However, we assume and theorycraft that it should be based around a Flash player being AFK and good building placement by its opponent. Conclusion Flash players are a worthy opponent indeed. The balance of the MU is so perfect that it is out of vF games that we draw our inspiration to create better and better games along with revolutionary builds, strategies and tactics. As my last words, I can only wish you good luck in this match-up and hope that someday soon, we will be having a replay on our hands, in which we finally, after more than a decade of fighting, sweat, blood and tears, killed a Flash player's scouting SCV. Have fun! + Show Spoiler + iNfeRnaL fighting! <3 | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On September 09 2010 06:58 EsX_Raptor wrote: ! [G] How to Beat Flash Players Offense N/A lol | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
That means the tournament stage will start with Ro8? Looks like WCG is cutting back in BW | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
bring lots of lube. | ||
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United States1120 Posts
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
Flash has nothing on you. | ||
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ZavikZyke
United States382 Posts
My advice is just have the time of your life out there. | ||
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United States607 Posts
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
Definitely do not go standard or 12-14 nexus. Stove would be legit, but make it creative and fun! | ||
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United States199 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
Cheesing won't increase your chances to win, but at least you'll be sure Flash won't say you play like a computer. Though maybe only JD does that. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
He went 12 nexus into DT and it was a 3 players map. he executed it quite well, just a little micro DTs vs mines you should be fine into mid game. Wish you all the best | ||
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Canada3684 Posts
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SC2Phoenix
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
PLEASE don't lose Zim-style. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On September 10 2010 09:19 SC2Phoenix wrote: I would play him straight up. Imagine if you win how awesom it would be to say you beat the best terran in the world without cheesing him. haha.. irony. Anyways, there are two Lee Young Ho's :0 Funny if you were playing  LuCifer instead, lmao. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
If I were you I'd play standard. You won't win if you cheese him anyway, and it's not every day you get to play vs the best player of all time, so try to make it last for as long as possible and enjoy the moment. Have fun! | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Gold. | ||
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Korea (South)150 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
I mean, it's worth a shot~ Not like you have much of a chance, no offense.. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
Flash might try a "terran stove" on you ( 2 port wraith TvP into fast nuke HiyA style ? :D) Anyway it's really great to have the opportunity to play against the best player ever, so GL ! | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On September 12 2010 13:28 endy wrote: I watched again Stork vs Kolll when I was in the plane 2 days ago, where Stork went 1 base scout on Outsider. haha, what? link please! | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Only one I could find: | ||
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LastWish
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I think some form of old fashioned dt drop could do the trick. | ||
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Australia6499 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On September 12 2010 14:52 L_Master wrote: Only one I could find: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NqTkBAb3a0 that was pretty painful to watch :O | ||
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Tekin
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then if he does 14cc just cannon rush him LOL . You will be my Bonjwa forever if you beat flash. | ||
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thedeadhaji
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well stork has done this in actual matches as well so (though back in like 2007) | ||
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
Infernal fighting! | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On September 13 2010 21:42 Thuw wrote: This is for SC1, correct? excellent post xD gl infernal. 1 gate robo rvr action GO | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On September 13 2010 08:00 thedeadhaji wrote: well stork has done this in actual matches as well so (though back in like 2007) Hm, really? I was still watching games religiously back then. As far as I remember, Outsider was only introduced in 2008 and I can't imagine another map from that era that something like this might possibly work on. edit: actually I guess it didn't matter that much that it was outsider, so idk. it's been a long time since I watched any progaming. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 14 2010 15:35 hiro protagonist wrote: 20 bucks if you can draw the game out for 25 min. THAT would be hard! You can't even hide a pylon in a corner, Flash maphacks. | ||
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Hikari
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At least you get to play with the #1 player in the world =D Take pics! | ||
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
HF! | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
I'm even going to play him on the fucking main stage... that's probably going to be too much for nerves, expecting some HUGE fail xDD | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
I''ll be really really nervous too Try your best and have fun! Who knows you might pull an upset like Nal_rA | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
I cringed when the mine killed several of your goons Good game | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
You were doing so well until you ran into the mines qq | ||
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quirinus
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Good job defending at the start. | ||
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Who is that lol. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + to get pwned | ||
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