The Next Pro Gamer - Page 9

On January 06 2011 09:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
give up trying to be a progamer
not (only) because you're silver, but because you've played 400 games. this shows me that you don't have the time or dedication to overcome your lacking experience. if you were really trying to go pro you should have 4000 games by now.

some players that were great at bw are 3k+ diamond with 400 games and for those the train hasn't completely sailed because if they start massgaming they're gonna be great soon, but for someone that lacks both the natural ability / rts experience and the willpower to play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play every day, there's no hope of being a top player.

On January 06 2011 19:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:


you are the wall..
let's look at it this way, as I can clearly see that you're disheartened by this thread

you're at 400 1v1 games now
can you be at 600 in 5 days? 800 in 10 days? 1600 in 1 month? that's the kind of dedication you will need; 40 games every single day. on top of those 40 games per day, you need some degree of natural ability or understanding. (if you were watching GSL now, you'd see one of the players say that he practices for 10 hours per day. this is the norm, nothing unique about it. ) considering that lots of players practice that much; what separates them? natural ability/rts experience.. I've only played about 400 1v1 games in sc2 - I'm 3000 diamond. this is because 14-12 years ago, I was playing warcraft 2. before that I played dune 2 and warcraft 1. after that, from 1998 until 2010, I played brood war. 15 years of rts experience isn't something you're going to overcome easily..

basically, I think being a successful progamer will be impossible for you to achieve during the next two years. if you play 10 hours per day for the next two years, you might be getting somewhere, but do you really think this is easier than going to school? it's way, way harder. try playing 10 hours per day for the next two weeks, see if you're able to do it. (I mean constantly gaming 1v1- not sitting in front of your computer for 10 hours and playing 1 game every hour.) if you're not able to do that for two weeks (and frankly, I think you won't be - we're talking at least 5-600 games in 2 weeks here), then you certainly cannot do it for 2 years.

On January 06 2011 20:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
additionally, you seemed a little confused about the term "natural ability" before, or "talent". what is meant by natural ability is essentially a combination of three or so terms ;
dedication
intelligence
speed

dedication refers to your ability to practice sufficiently. this is often omitted or disregarded when people talk about talent or natural ability as people essentially consider practicing like a madman the opposite of being talented - but not everyone is capable of practicing like a madman. nonetheless, it's probably the most important skillset you can have to become good.
intelligence, in a game like sc2, deals with two aspects; how quickly you grasp the various concepts of the game, and how your decisionmaking is. to some degree intelligence and experience are very similar - in sc2 you will normally have encountered anything you see on a multitude of occasions and thus you can make decisions based on previous encounters rather than through quick thinking, but being intelligent may enable you to counter something you haven't seen before, or to come up with a counter faster, or to come up with new strategies. in a game like sc2, being highly intelligent is not really that important to become good because there are so many tools around to help you improve if you just put enough time in, but imagine if there were no vods, no daily day9, no replays and no strategy guides, and people individually had to understand the various concepts of the game. it'd be the most important trait to have. nonetheless, at the highest level, everyone is pretty smart or smarter than pretty smart.
speed; to perform every action required for optimal play, you gotta be fast. no way around it.. while you do become faster through playing, some people have a hard time ever getting above 150 apm no matter how hard they try(not how hard they spam), while others find 250 relaxing.

On January 07 2011 12:04 zOula... wrote:
Well, it's been four months and the OP said we would have heard of him by now (or he would have at least won a tournament or something?). It seems he has failed in this goal, as I've bumped this thread a few times and asked for updates, only to be ignored by the OP. I've also PM'd the OP and asked about his progress in this regard, also to be ignored.

It would seem that f0rg0tten0ne will never be a pro-gamer, and in fact doesnt even seem to be very good at all (he never even broke 2000 points?). Not really sure why I'm bumping this again, but I actually followed this thread over the last four months and was interested in the progress of the OP. I guess I was just hoping that after creating a thread like this the OP would at least have the decency to update us on his progress or the balls to admit defeat.

Anyway, I'm not impressed.