after seeing what went on at the US Open (for those of you who didnt see watch the video)
I was just wondering how many of you would let that shit fly. If a woman hits me like a man she deserves to get hit back like a man IMO. Grandpa can get knocked the fuck out too. Its like women think its ok to put their hands on a man like that. You wanted equal rights and freedoms in society you got it lady. Its one thing to instigate and hit first, but women (especially ugly behemoths) need to learn to restrain their shit.
Also captain save-a-hoes like in the video who feel like they need to come to a womans defense or something are part of the problem too. You people are enablers in all of this.
Even if the guy didnt hit her he should have snatched her purse and thrown it out onto the court or something. Teach her ass a lesson.
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Your vote: If a woman hit you first, would you hit her back?
i wouldn't. i don't see the point of clobbering someone who's obviously no physical threat to me. i say that guy handle it like a champ, but that grampa dude who threw that cheapshot deserved what he got, all those fags who came running down to his rescue were fucking retards.
so many things i hate in this video........GET HIM OUT OF HERE!!!!
when some woman think they can get through with everything they deserve to get slapped back. of course you dont want to be a dick and break her face so you might slap with less then 100%
Depends only if I were in danger - then I would use force, a slap is nothing. A loss of pride is quite a huge loss, but the loss of face from hitting a woman is greater. The people around them are tools, defend the guy don't jump him - he was not the aggressor in the end.
For one I would try to avoid the hitting situation altogether. the guy got hit and he seriously looked like he deserved it. I did not answer the pool, I would hit back a giant behemot I guess, but something remotly atractive I would not. Again, the situation itself is completly ridiculous. The slaping was only the finale.
Oh, but i would have kicked the grandpa's ass for sure. You just don't jump on people like that and hope for no strike back.
On September 04 2010 03:17 SagaZ wrote: For one I would try to avoid the hitting situation altogether. the guy got hit and he seriously looked like he deserved it. I did not answer the pool, I would hit back a giant behemot I guess, but something remotly atractive I would not. Again, the situation itself is completly ridiculous. The slaping was only the finale.
Oh, but i would have kicked the grandpa's ass for sure. You just don't jump on people like that and hope for no strike back.
Even if hes being a tool, that lady has no right to slap him. A guy hitting another guy like that has to expect to be hit back, but this mammoth of a woman knows she probably wont get hit back. Someone needs to teach her a lesson.
^ The guy apparently kept yawning during the game so the woman got pissed at him. But seriously he did nothing wrong. He took the slap like a man and told the woman to just shut the fuck up and sit down. Then the old man attacks him, he pushes away and gets attacked by the crow for "assaulting an elder"
Same here.Props to this guy for taking the slap like a man and then defending him self when the old guy attacked him. Too bad he the crowd attacked him and he got thrown out.
It seemed the old guy kicked the guy and guy got pissed off and pushed the old guy off. Well I don't know if his intention was just to hit him back or just get in his face but the old guy grabs the guy which made him push the old guy down. Old granny starts rushing at him, he pushes her off. And the whole crowd probably missed that the old guy kicked him first and sees the old guy on the ground and him shoving the woman so they rush to intervene.
I watched a few times, you know what was weird. How the old guy is pulling on the woman's shirt like he's saying just forget it and he's the one who starts kicking the guy all of a sudden. At least that's how I saw it. Hard to debate on the situation without knowing the whole situation though.
Women think they're invincible these days, cry out "sexism" for the smallest shit they refuse to take, and stick "equal rights" into everything... everything.
That's ridiculous. The guy took it like a man yet the bitch just kept going. And the grandpa was an idiot too, why would you go after someone a third your age?
Since it was caught on camera, I would just say its self defense. What the hell was I supposed to do with a charging man coming after me?
Just because it was a woman and a old guy, they get the benefit of the doubt. They should've been thrown out imo.
I don't know what happened before this to start it all, but wow this video makes me mad. I don't see how any of them can blame the young guy for defending himself. I hope he got to stay and the fat lady and grandpa got booted.
On September 04 2010 03:26 Ilikestarcraft wrote: It seemed the old guy kicked the guy and guy got pissed off and pushed the old guy off. Old granny starts rushing he pushes her off. And the whole crowd probably missed that the old guy kicked him first and sees the old guy on the ground and him shoving the woman so they rush to intervene.
I watched a few times, you know what was weird. How the old guy is pulling on the woman's shirt like he's saying just forget it and he's the one who starts kicking the guy all of a sudden. At least that's how I saw it. Hard to debate on the situation without knowing the whole situation.
If you look again, the old guy kicks him, he goes to stand up and then the old guy grabs him by the head. That's when he shoves the old man away.
I love how he just smiles and is giggling and clapping after she slapped him. I dont know what was said but the video is clearly on his side... im really surprised all these people wanted to jump on the guy, he must have been sayin some shit!
besides the guy doing passive resistance, as in he refuses to move from his spot and arguing with another woman and getting his ass kicked by an elderly person I can't see what he was doing wrong lol.
Funny how the old people were the ones way out of line yet everyone in the area just assumed the young dude was the one in the wrong. Hell they just LAUGHED when they hit him but when he jumped to defend himself from the old guy everyone flips out. What the fuck is wrong with people.
why would you hit a girl? are you also making fun of retarded people? very mature bro
like sagaz said, the guy looks like he deserved it. Don't know what happened but you have to do a lot to piss people off in a way they want to hit you. So he is like "fuck you 55 years old arthritis bitch" and cant even dodge/block the slap. Pathetic
I wouldn't hit the woman, how STUPID she may be... But that grandpa, goddamn, he would be eating the gravel on that tenniscourt lol :p WTH was he thinking...
Also, GOD THAT FAT WOMAN IS SOOOOOO ANNOYING.
Edit: also number 2, goddamn old people who always think they are right...
God damn... poor guy. I doubt he did anything wrong either.
To answer the topic: If a woman hits me, I'm hitting them back... I don't care if you are defenseless or not, shouldn't have hit me... If you are defenseless, don't start anything (common sense anyone?)
As a scrawny white boy, I'd never start shit with ANYONE, because I know i'd get my face beaten in. Same goes for women... if you don't want to get beaten, Don't initiate a fight by hitting someone who could obviously knock you out.
Unless he did something really bad before the vid was started then he 100% was fine. They were both yelling at each other so you can't really blame him for using some cuss words. HE EVEN TELLS THEM TO LET IT GO AND HE STARTS TO SIT DOWN. The old people just were dumb and arrogant.
On September 04 2010 03:21 GenoZStriker wrote: ^ The guy apparently kept yawning during the game so the woman got pissed at him. But seriously he did nothing wrong. He took the slap like a man and told the woman to just shut the fuck up and sit down. Then the old man attacks him, he pushes away and gets attacked by the crow for "assaulting an elder"
this is exactly what i saw, I felt the guy in the gray shirt handled the situation well. He didn't lay a hand on either of those people until gramps decided it was time to pounce. Gramps was clearly looking for a fight (lol) and so the guy in the gray pushed him away, he definitely does not deserve to be thrown out.
I think the guy in white at the end was defending the guy in gray, which is cool because with the mob mentality calling to throw the guy out, you usually wont see someone actually try and help the person who is being wrongly accused.
I've punched 1 woman. She was yelling, getting in my face, slapped me, and then what did her in: she spit in my face. I laid her out. It felt extremely satisfying and I've never had regrets about the situation.
What the hell, seriously if anything that old man and woman should be the ones getting jumped by everyone, pathetic really how she can phsyically assault someone and so can grandpa but the victim is the one who gets punished, aboslute idiocy, the woman and oldman both deserved to have their shit kicked in.
On September 04 2010 03:31 Djin)ftw( wrote: why would you hit a girl? are you also making fun of retarded people? very mature bro
like sagaz said, the guy looks like he deserved it. Don't know what happened but you have to do a lot to piss people off in a way they want to hit you. So he is like "fuck you 55 years old arthritis bitch" and cant even dodge/block the slap. Pathetic
You're.... kidding.... me... right? Please tell me you're joking, because thats a completely unnecessary comment.
I also have absolutely no clue what you're talking about in your 2nd paragraph, you also have no idea what you're talking about when you say it looks like he "deserved it". Wow! It "looks" like he deserved it, thats what your going off of? So did the other people in the audience but it turns out he was being more calm than the rest, which makes you wrong. He got hit, twice, then got grabbed, all he did was push someone. Maybe your powers of observation are better or something but I think you're completely wrong.
I think the best part is that they got upset with his language, and somehow rationalized that verbal and physical confrontation was a classy way of dealing with it.
LOL the second angle shows how the old man grabs his head and hold on to it. the other dude then loses his balance and both fall over the railing. That's amazing.
On September 04 2010 03:40 Hawk wrote: I think the best part is that they got upset with his language, and somehow rationalized that verbal and physical confrontation was a classy way of dealing with it.
the 2nd video it's makes the whole situation even more dumb, why the hell didn't the old couple just move seats? there were like a million open ones... ugh
On September 04 2010 03:31 Djin)ftw( wrote: why would you hit a girl? are you also making fun of retarded people? very mature bro
like sagaz said, the guy looks like he deserved it. Don't know what happened but you have to do a lot to piss people off in a way they want to hit you. So he is like "fuck you 55 years old arthritis bitch" and cant even dodge/block the slap. Pathetic
You're.... kidding.... me... right? Please tell me you're joking, because thats a completely unnecessary comment.
I also have absolutely no clue what you're talking about in your 2nd paragraph, you also have no idea what you're talking about when you say it looks like he "deserved it". Wow! It "looks" like he deserved it, thats what your going off of? So did the other people in the audience but it turns out he was being more calm than the rest, which makes you wrong. He got hit, twice, then got grabbed, all he did was push someone. Maybe your powers of observation are better or something but I think you're completely wrong.
??? he is the one yelling "fuck you bla bla". The woman seems cool. The arguing was probably going on for a while. Given just the video it is impossible to judge the situation, but as I said, he looks like he deserved it. Drunk maybe, what the fuck do I know.Then the old couple wants to go and he is yelling after her like a fucking retard so the old guy turns around and attacks him. Ok of course he can defend himself now (also against the woman) but when he got slapped in the beginning ( I guess thats what the op wanted to know) I would never slap a woman back.
If that old man would have attacked me he would have got my fist in his mouth. The woman on the other hand, I wouldn't hit her but I might spit in her face.
Thought they were saying something about getting off the phone in the first video, if he was on the phone he had it coming. Then he started talking back even though he was at fault, probably cussed the old hag out. She slaps him, old guy feels he has to stick up for his wife too. They all looked like idiots, but I wouldn't try to crucify the old couple without knowing exactly what happened beforehand.
On September 04 2010 03:31 Djin)ftw( wrote: why would you hit a girl? are you also making fun of retarded people? very mature bro
like sagaz said, the guy looks like he deserved it. Don't know what happened but you have to do a lot to piss people off in a way they want to hit you. So he is like "fuck you 55 years old arthritis bitch" and cant even dodge/block the slap. Pathetic
You're.... kidding.... me... right? Please tell me you're joking, because thats a completely unnecessary comment.
I also have absolutely no clue what you're talking about in your 2nd paragraph, you also have no idea what you're talking about when you say it looks like he "deserved it". Wow! It "looks" like he deserved it, thats what your going off of? So did the other people in the audience but it turns out he was being more calm than the rest, which makes you wrong. He got hit, twice, then got grabbed, all he did was push someone. Maybe your powers of observation are better or something but I think you're completely wrong.
??? he is the one yelling "fuck you bla bla". The woman seems cool. The arguing was probably going on for a while. Given just the video it is impossible to judge the situation, but as I said, he looks like he deserved it. Drunk maybe, what the fuck do I know.Then the old couple wants to go and he yelling after her like a fucking retard so the guy turns around and attacks him. Ok of course he can defend himself now (also against the woman) but the he got slapped in the beginning ( I guess thats what the op wanted to know) and I would never slap a woman back.
I was talking about your comment "why would you hit a girl? are you also making fun of retarded people? very mature bro" being completely dumb.
And no, you're wrong again. It is NOT impossible to judge the situation, we have two videos in this thread alone with enough evidence to show that the man did not get physical until they got physical. I don't care what he was saying, the old people messed up. Did you even watch the videos? It's obvious the younger guy just wants to watch the game (from his apparent sitting down multiple fucking times) how you think this is his fault based on what we saw is beyond me.
I also have no idea what you're talking about in your last two sentences.
Seems like the woman and the grandpa both initiated physical violence. Sure the guy said words... but he never threw a punch. I hope the italian guy didn't get thrown out... that would be dumb.
This is absolutely absurd. Going to have to echo the consensus here. The young guy couldn't have handled the slap and physical assault by gramps any more reasonably than he did. His only fault (in the video) was using foul language, and that is not grounds for physical assault. Not to say he couldn't have used a bit more class, or done more to prevent further escalation, but still he handled it pretty well.
I think the guy in white at the end was defending the guy in gray, which is cool because with the mob mentality calling to throw the guy out, you usually wont see someone actually try and help the person who is being wrongly accused.
Yea, that is definitely what it looks like, and good for him. More people need to think for themselves and do what is right. Not immediately succumb to the Ethos appeal of old people and women.
I was going to write more but I'll just say this: allowing any party to attack any other without reprisal is a poor precedent. It encourages assailants to continue, thus reinforcing violence as a means of coercion.
On September 04 2010 03:48 Tabbris wrote: Dont slap women
Be gentle when fighting old men
There has to be more to the situation, cause all the reports make him out to be the bad guy whereas the videos show that he's actually the victim. Hmmm.
Btw, fuck that old guy. I don't really care if he's old or not, but that second video was just ridiculous.
I wouldn't hit her back, because that just makes me the bigger "man." But in all honesty, I don't see what they were fighting over. The guy was yawning, really? and for the old dude, it did suck that he fell, but he wouldn't have if he didn't grab that dude. =_=
Definitely wouldn't let anyone get away with that.
Another thing, what was with grandpa during the whole thing, did he even know her? The first minute of the video he's trying to get a better view of the argument then he just goes up and jumps the dude after it looks like it's over.
On September 04 2010 03:55 Neos wrote: Definitely wouldn't let anyone get away with that.
Another thing, what was with grandpa during the whole thing, did he even know her? The first minute of the video he's trying to get a better view of the argument then he just goes up and jumps the dude after it looks like it's over.
To answer OP's question: the appropriate respond is a backhand slap. Seriously though, If I was attacked first and the woman had no good reason for doing it then I will reply in kind, I wouldn't go hard though, just enough to make her realize the situation. I would never hit a girl that I know though.
For the video, people need to stop defending the guy. People don't get into argument for no reason, especially at events like those. Acting like a douche in a public venue = idiot in my book.
I would never get myself in those situation, if some old farts come across like that to me, I will either ask them to resolve this outside or just ignore them.
I always feel sorry for people in situations like this. They get jumped and then get attacked by a mob because they defended themselves. There is almost nothing that guy could have done to deserve what happened to him.
And fuck no I would not let anyone hit me without me retaliating. In the case of this women here, it would be tough to just punch her in the face however as that is responding with a bit too much violence, but if he had of done that, I wouldnt have held anything against him. In that situation I would gone for intimidation. She would have backed down if she thought he was going to hit back by the guy. As for the gramps, he deserves any injury he sustained from that event.
Honestly I don't understand why anyone thinks that if someone starts a physical fight they dont deserve to get hurt by the other party regardless. I believe in restraint however (I would not have supported him hitting her more than once or beating the gramps senseless)
On September 04 2010 03:58 haduken wrote: To answer OP's question: the appropriate respond is a backhand slap. Seriously though, If I was attacked first and the woman had no good reason for doing it then I will reply in kind, I wouldn't go hard though, just enough to make her realize the situation. I would never hit a girl that I know though.
For the video, people need to stop defending the guy. People don't get into argument for no reason, especially at events like those. Acting like a douche in a public venue = idiot in my book.
I would never get myself in those situation, if some old farts come across like that to me, I will either ask them to resolve this outside or just ignore them.
You get security to throw him out if he's being a disruptive ass; you don't get in his face and start a physical altercation because he isn't giving you your props. Even if he is a raging asshole, which I don't actually think he is given his reaction to most of the shit that happens in the video, you don't get to start fights with people who annoy you. If that were the case, every movie theater I'd go to would end with a blood letting.
On September 04 2010 03:58 haduken wrote: To answer OP's question: the appropriate respond is a backhand slap. Seriously though, If I was attacked first and the woman had no good reason for doing it then I will reply in kind, I wouldn't go hard though, just enough to make her realize the situation. I would never hit a girl that I know though.
For the video, people need to stop defending the guy. People don't get into argument for no reason, especially at events like those. Acting like a douche in a public venue = idiot in my book.
I would never get myself in those situation, if some old farts come across like that to me, I will either ask them to resolve this outside or just ignore them.
I don't think anyone is "defending" him, I think they're only trying to tell people it wasn't completely his fault. He's the one that got hit first.
I don't separate women and men much so yes, if I got hit by one I would definitely try to knock her the fuck out. The same goes for a much weaker/stronger man, it just doesn't matter. If you're a true feminist you'll know to kick a womans ass if she assaults you physically.
Also lol @ all the knights in shining armor rushing to defend the helpless lady loololl.
On September 04 2010 03:31 Djin)ftw( wrote: why would you hit a girl? are you also making fun of retarded people? very mature bro
like sagaz said, the guy looks like he deserved it. Don't know what happened but you have to do a lot to piss people off in a way they want to hit you. So he is like "fuck you 55 years old arthritis bitch" and cant even dodge/block the slap. Pathetic
You're.... kidding.... me... right? Please tell me you're joking, because thats a completely unnecessary comment.
I also have absolutely no clue what you're talking about in your 2nd paragraph, you also have no idea what you're talking about when you say it looks like he "deserved it". Wow! It "looks" like he deserved it, thats what your going off of? So did the other people in the audience but it turns out he was being more calm than the rest, which makes you wrong. He got hit, twice, then got grabbed, all he did was push someone. Maybe your powers of observation are better or something but I think you're completely wrong.
??? he is the one yelling "fuck you bla bla". The woman seems cool. The arguing was probably going on for a while. Given just the video it is impossible to judge the situation, but as I said, he looks like he deserved it. Drunk maybe, what the fuck do I know.Then the old couple wants to go and he yelling after her like a fucking retard so the guy turns around and attacks him. Ok of course he can defend himself now (also against the woman) but the he got slapped in the beginning ( I guess thats what the op wanted to know) and I would never slap a woman back.
I was talking about your comment "why would you hit a girl? are you also making fun of retarded people? very mature bro" being completely dumb.
And no, you're wrong again. It is NOT impossible to judge the situation, we have two videos in this thread alone with enough evidence to show that the man did not get physical until they got physical. I don't care what he was saying, the old people messed up. Did you even watch the videos? It's obvious the younger guy just wants to watch the game (from his apparent sitting down multiple fucking times) how you think this is his fault based on what we saw is beyond me.
I also have no idea what you're talking about in your last two sentences.
When I wrote "I'd never hit a girl wtf" I was talking in general.
So are we watching the same video= 0.00 two people arguing, woman seems angry, guy seems to defend himself, stupid retard yelling "throw the bum out" (slap him alright) 0.09 she hits him. Why? I have no fucking clue ---> Would I hit her back in that situation? now, never. why? because she is a fucking 55 year old woman bla bla arguing continues, he "has got a lot of money on the game" (whatever that means, a bet I guess) bla bla woman is cool, talking to someone sitting there 1.27 woman wants to go, everything should be fine but no guy rages and yells after her 1.35 old geezer gets angry now; no idea what the guy said, "guarantee" something whatever guy and geezer get in a fight, both fall guy gets up, woman sees old geezer is injured, attacks the guy herself ---> can he slap her now? yeah well sure, he needs to defend himself. doesnt have to slap her, just push her away or grab her or something 1.53 stupid moron#2 enters the scene, followed by his side kick
so yeah, dont really know why you would hit that woman in that situation or a woman in general. it's not like she is all "oh you motherfucker fuck you y00 in ma house" and he is like "oh dear ma'am i'm sorry for the inconvenience" so if you have additional information, please feel free to share it with me
On September 04 2010 03:48 Tabbris wrote: Dont slap women
Be gentle when fighting old men
There has to be more to the situation, cause all the reports make him out to be the bad guy whereas the videos show that he's actually the victim. Hmmm.
Btw, fuck that old guy. I don't really care if he's old or not, but that second video was just ridiculous.
Even if there was more to the situation. Assuming the lady isnt trying to kill you, would you consider hitting her? the old guy clearly looked like he wanted to fight but i would just feel guilty going all out on a old man like that
On September 04 2010 03:51 DTown wrote: This is absolutely absurd. Going to have to echo the consensus here. The young guy couldn't have handled the slap and physical assault by gramps any more reasonably than he did. His only fault (in the video) was using foul language, and that is not grounds for physical assault. Not to say he couldn't have used a bit more class, or done more to prevent further escalation, but still he handled it pretty well.
He could have handled it much more reasonably. He's been rude from beginning to end as it seems, and even though I agree the slap was completely unnecessary, all he needed to do was call security HIMSELF, instead of trying to be manly and discussing shit in the middle of the crowd. It seemed to me that the old guy was all along trying to get her wife to stop arguing, but he only charged at him when the guy said something which was probably offensive, and was only trying to protect his wife (or daughter? whatever).
That's all he needed to do, call security on the couple. You don't even need to lower yourself to a blind state of respect to the elderly and ignore their silly complaints. But he preferred to be a douchebag instead. Of course people will give the old people the benefit of the doubt, how often do you see some old man beating the crap out of a young guy?
And for all of you who voted yes, I hope most of you are trolling. There's absolutely no reason at all to hit someone back if they're much weaker than you and not a threat at all, unless they're flat out trying to KILL you or are somehow stronger than you. The average woman isn't nearly as strong as the average man. There's no need to respond to silly violence like a slap with even more violence. Just go call security or something.
What the fuck? Why would they kick out the brooklyn accent semi-guido when he was the one getting berated and then getting slapped and then getting some old fuck kicking pissing on his shoes afterwards? I'd fucking give it to the old guy as soon as he touched me.
so yeah, dont really know why you would hit that woman in any situation or a woman in general. it's not like she is all "oh you motherfucker fuck you y00 in ma house" and he is like "oh dear ma'am i'm sorry for the inconvenience" so if you have additional information, please feel free to share it with me
He didn't slap her. She slapped him in the beginning of the video. Then later she started to attack him after her father attacked and pushed her hands away from him. She almost fell because she lost balance. So did he.
I wouldn't hit a woman who hit me first because of what you saw in that video. A woman could smash a guy in the face multiple times, and if that guy hits her back, I am confident that he would be getting his ass kicked. If it was just me and a woman and she pulled that shit, sure I would hit her back, I have no qualms about it.
On September 04 2010 03:33 Rinrun wrote: I heard that she became crossed cause he was throwing f-bombs around. Another angle vid if anyone really wants to see: + Show Spoiler +
As the guy sitting next to the young guy just sits there all the while. What the fuck. If that was his friend, he should have stuck up for his friend, at least.
On September 04 2010 03:58 haduken wrote: To answer OP's question: the appropriate respond is a backhand slap. Seriously though, If I was attacked first and the woman had no good reason for doing it then I will reply in kind, I wouldn't go hard though, just enough to make her realize the situation. I would never hit a girl that I know though.
For the video, people need to stop defending the guy. People don't get into argument for no reason, especially at events like those. Acting like a douche in a public venue = idiot in my book.
I would never get myself in those situation, if some old farts come across like that to me, I will either ask them to resolve this outside or just ignore them.
I don't think anyone is "defending" him, I think they're only trying to tell people it was completely his fault. He's the one that got hit first.
I'm assuming you are saying it wasn't completely his fault.
It never is, both sides clearly had a role in escalating this. My rule is always never get into an argument or fight when your action might disrupt others. Hence the take this outside part.
At the end of the day, the guy was a douche, that's why the argument ended the way it did. The woman was not smart but I kinda understand it when you throw in the being old complex.
On September 04 2010 03:58 haduken wrote: To answer OP's question: the appropriate respond is a backhand slap. Seriously though, If I was attacked first and the woman had no good reason for doing it then I will reply in kind, I wouldn't go hard though, just enough to make her realize the situation. I would never hit a girl that I know though.
For the video, people need to stop defending the guy. People don't get into argument for no reason, especially at events like those. Acting like a douche in a public venue = idiot in my book.
I would never get myself in those situation, if some old farts come across like that to me, I will either ask them to resolve this outside or just ignore them.
I don't think anyone is "defending" him, I think they're only trying to tell people it was completely his fault. He's the one that got hit first.
I'm assuming you are saying it wasn't completely his fault.
It never is, both sides clearly had a role in escalating this. My rule is always never get into an argument or fight when your action might disrupt others. Hence the take this outside part. The young guy was a douche and clearly an idiot.
Yeah typo sorry.
Yes hes cussing and being an idiot yeah, but it should have never resulted in physical violence.
Ugh, this video just make me extremely angry. The guy seemed rude, but we don't know exactly why the woman wanted him to leave. Just for talking or something ? Seems so ridiculous. I hope security just moved him to a different location, although after review of this video, it's pretty obvious the lady and husband(?) needed to be punished for assaulting this man.
Well, people get mad and lose their senses, she probably smack her children around too :/ I would have called security as soon as I get smacked then he will probably win the day and have a chance to sue or something :/
Actually, I've been slapped by girls on many occasions. It usually doesn't really hurt because their hands are nice and soft. Sometimes after the slap i just hold their hand against my face and rub it back and forth smiling stupidly.
As far as i can tell the old guy and the ugly chick were the ones escalating the argument into a fight, The old dude had it coming to him and ms. fugly is lucky she did not get decked. It was self defense in my book, because he did not start the physical confrontation.
what i love the most about these kinds of threads is that they let me know which posters i can ignore no matter where they post in the forum. for example djin
The guy screaming to get the guy out reminds me of Epic Beard Man... O.o His voice sounds strangely alike to me. Then again, it's been awhile since I've heard good ol' EBM.
As the guy sitting next to the young guy just sits there all the while. What the fuck. If that was his friend, he should have stuck up for his friend, at least.
The guy is just chilling. He really should have at least stood up and told everyone to calm down.
well. at least there looked like there were two guys walking over calmly from the top row to explain what happened to security (the bald dude with the sunglasses and someone else).
Granted the video is a bit one sided, so it can't be known exactly what set the bitch off. If it was something like yawning, then she's just being irrational and starting unnecessary shit. If the dude was dropping curse words, I could understand how it escalated, but that still didn't give her the right to hit him. If talking to him wasn't working, they should have just taken the higher road and either dealt with it, complained to security, or moved away if it bothered them that much.
The dude took it like a champ, and they both stubbornly held their ground; both of them look like assholes, and the chick had no right to hit the guy. I'd never advocate hitting a woman and a retaliatory strike would be assault, but I personally feel that if a woman were to start a physical confrontation, no harsher penalties should stem from it than would if you returned a blow to a man. Meaning they could still be charged with whatever violation occurred, but it shouldn't warrant a harsher charge or having the people mob on him like they did; that was just absolutely retarded.
The old guy was the biggest douche of all. The guy was sitting back down as it looked like they were leaving, and he wouldn't have pursued them further. So the old guy comes over and starts beating on him, and when he defends himself, the woman attacks him, he pushes her off, and then gets mobbed. That's all just one giant clusterfuck. During the entire thing, the woman and the old guy seemed like the aggressor.
More on the topic, I don't think I'd ever strike a woman without being physically harassed first, and even then I'd try to refrain from doing so unless it were a matter of defending myself or being injured otherwise. Under normal circumstances, I'd say it's wrong to hit a woman, but I'd also say it's wrong to hit a man. If things escalate that far, then gender shouldn't matter.
apparently nobody was arrested or seriously hurt, all of them are still guilty of stupidity though.
"According to the New York Post, the brawl stemmed from an issue over vocabulary. "He said, 'You've got a problem? Go ahead and hit me,' and she slapped him across the face," a source told the Post."
ahaha rofl. So she slaps him cause he wants to be slapped. But oh yeah she is the mean ugly bitch who probably beats her kids at home as well xD
guy seems to be a moron, getting in an argument and even a fight with an old couple instead of watching the game. his companion who just sits there quietly is the real hero
and of course mc blue shirt and his side kick who bravely enter the scene to defend the poor woman
This whole situation is ridiculous. From what it looks like, the guy was minding his own business and was fed up with that behemoth giving him shit. Even if he was in the wrong, none of that matters the second that behemoth slapped him. She had no right to hit him, and that old man got what he deserved - The guy fucking sat down and you attack him? What a fucking idiot, seriously. The people yelling "GET HIM OUT OF HERE" should sit down and STFU, I'm really glad that some people stepped in and told security he wasn't the bad guy.
Also I like the camerperson checking out the cute girl at the beginning of the video
apparently nobody was arrested or seriously hurt, all of them are still guilty of stupidity though.
"According to the New York Post, the brawl stemmed from an issue over vocabulary. "He said, 'You've got a problem? Go ahead and hit me,' and she slapped him across the face," a source told the Post."
ahaha rofl. So she slaps him cause he wants to be slapped. But oh yeah she is the mean ugly bitch who probably beats her kids at home as well xD
guy seems to be a moron, getting in an argument and even a fight with an old couple instead of watching the game. his companion who just sits there quietly is the real hero
and of course mc blue shirt and his side kick who bravely enter the scene to defend the poor woman
"It was wasn't my fault, your honour. You see, the victim told me to stab him in the chest if I had a problem with his attitude, so I did."
Seriously, I don't think anyone should be starting a fight, ever. But if a guy gets assaulted by a girl, why the fuck shouldn't he fight back? Can someone give me a reason? Like a real reason? Other than, "Well, dur, she's a girl."
If you don't want to get in a fight because you're a frail old woman, you shouldn't go assaulting people.
Of course I wouldn't. I wouldn't hit her back, but I wouldn't hit a man back either. I'd try to block it and get out.
If I was in a situation where I felt I needed to hit somebody their sex isn't really important to me. I don't think that would ever happen though, I can't think of a single conflict I'd resolve through violence short of being robbed or beaten severely. I've been bullied about quite a bit in my life and I've never hit someone back, I've never needed to.
well where im from hitting a woman, no matter the reason, even if she hit you first, is a good way to get your teeth kicked in. we dont care the reason, its inexcusable around here.
that's how i was raised and that's how i would handle it too. you dont hit women, and people who do get beat.
If I feel that my well-being is in danger, I wouldn't just "hit back," but that's not saying much because I'm small, and fighting is hard when you are small.
My reasoning is simple; I value my own life more than that of whoever is trying to harm me.
apparently nobody was arrested or seriously hurt, all of them are still guilty of stupidity though.
"According to the New York Post, the brawl stemmed from an issue over vocabulary. "He said, 'You've got a problem? Go ahead and hit me,' and she slapped him across the face," a source told the Post."
ahaha rofl. So she slaps him cause he wants to be slapped. But oh yeah she is the mean ugly bitch who probably beats her kids at home as well xD
guy seems to be a moron, getting in an argument and even a fight with an old couple instead of watching the game. his companion who just sits there quietly is the real hero
and of course mc blue shirt and his side kick who bravely enter the scene to defend the poor woman
"It was wasn't my fault, your honour. You see, the victim told me to stab him in the chest if I had a problem with his attitude, so I did."
Seriously, I don't think anyone should be starting a fight, ever. But if a guy gets assaulted by a girl, why the fuck shouldn't he fight back? Can someone give me a reason? Like a real reason? Other than, "Well, dur, she's a girl."
If you don't want to get in a fight because you're a frail old woman, you shouldn't go assaulting people.
Can YOU give me a reason why you'd hit someone? So if your gf slaps you for being a douche, you're just gonna go all out and break her in half? It was wrong? Yes. But I don't see a reason to respond with violence, unless she's really trying to hurt you for real. The guy literally asked for that slap. Can you give me a reason why you'd fight back? Can you explain me how this is better than backing off and calling security? I seriously don't understand.
there's no reason to "teach her a lesson" when more than likely you aren't even phased by the hit and you could probably beat the girl up while sleepwalking. (don't mean to be sexist, but this is true in 99% of cases)
Those fat chicks can really get violent so I wouldn't rule out the possibilty of hitting one but not in front of people because of mob mentality. I got slapped by women but I totally deserved it and they were hot so it's kinda a turn on. Some fat chick once was pretty rude to a friend of mine for no reason. He just spit straight in her face and kept on walking. Handled it like a pro haha.
Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Randomly beating a woman because shes annoying or just there and you want to let off some steam. Definately unacceptable and untolerable, I'll kick your ass myself for that and Im as much of a pacifist as I can be.
Responding in "kind" to being slapped or punched first? Well then I unfortunately gotta drop my pacifist beliefs and get down to business.
Anyone regardless of any attribute we can use to "classify" ourselves as humans has no right ever to randomly start shit physically.(And to all you people saying but why can't i defend myself? Well if everyone followed the rule to begin with, you wouldn't have too, remember defensive is reactive, offensive is active.)
apparently nobody was arrested or seriously hurt, all of them are still guilty of stupidity though.
"According to the New York Post, the brawl stemmed from an issue over vocabulary. "He said, 'You've got a problem? Go ahead and hit me,' and she slapped him across the face," a source told the Post."
ahaha rofl. So she slaps him cause he wants to be slapped. But oh yeah she is the mean ugly bitch who probably beats her kids at home as well xD
guy seems to be a moron, getting in an argument and even a fight with an old couple instead of watching the game. his companion who just sits there quietly is the real hero
and of course mc blue shirt and his side kick who bravely enter the scene to defend the poor woman
"It was wasn't my fault, your honour. You see, the victim told me to stab him in the chest if I had a problem with his attitude, so I did."
Seriously, I don't think anyone should be starting a fight, ever. But if a guy gets assaulted by a girl, why the fuck shouldn't he fight back? Can someone give me a reason? Like a real reason? Other than, "Well, dur, she's a girl."
If you don't want to get in a fight because you're a frail old woman, you shouldn't go assaulting people.
Can YOU give me a reason why you'd hit someone? So if your gf slaps you for being a douche, you're just gonna go all out and break her in half? It was wrong? Yes. But I don't see a reason to respond with violence, unless she's really trying to hurt you for real. The guy literally asked for that slap. Can you give me a reason why you'd fight back? Can you explain me how this is better than backing off and calling security? I seriously don't understand.
I worded my original post weirdly, I apologise. I don't think people should be fighting. Period. There's never any excuse to start violence, regardless of if it's a slap or a punch. However, if someone does start a conflict they should expect retaliation. Regardless of their gender, size or age.
Some people dont seem to understand a basic rule in problems like these.
Dont try to embarass someone in public, if you do it could be bad for everyone involved. You dont try to hurt someones pride infront of people and not expect to get into a fight. Thats how almost ALL fights start. You cant just calmly walk away. Its the heat of the moment. To top it off, if someone hits YOU first? You absolutely have to deck them.
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
On one side, my instinct tells me yes, I would hit her - being a feminist and for equal rights, I'd be a male chauvinistic piece of shit if I didn't; I mean, not hitting her because she's a woman would be implying that I think that she's (and in extention, all women) not intelligent enough to see the consequences of her own actions, thus having to be treated with the patience and care of a parent to a child rather than that of two equals.
At the same time though, imprinted male virtue from a time of gender division tells me to never hit a member of the weaker sex. These are also the virtues that would make me expect getting my ass kicked relentlessly by anyone around, no matter the situation.
With that in mind, I have before and in this situation definately would have forcefully supressed her - grabbing her arms, holding her in place or getting her down on the floor.
Aside from that though, the old guy and the chick definately are the physical initiatiors, but the guy wasn't exactly trying to solve the situation easy either. All three are stupid, but if anyone's to get reprecussions from this, it should be the two that initiated physical violence, not the guy utilizing the english language.
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
although i do agree that chill comes off as smug in some of his posts, i agree with him on this matter. if someone is talking shit in your face and then suddenly hits you, you just don't back down and call someone to help you out. looking back on it, it "may" be the right thing to do to avoid further conflict, but at that point he wasn't trying to avoid conflict he was defending his pride. i know when i'm in the heat of the moment, i really don't care what the right thing to do is, only what i want to do at that moment.
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
although i do agree that chill comes off as smug in some of his posts, i agree with him on this matter. if someone is talking shit in your face and then suddenly hits you, you just don't back down and call someone to help you out. looking back on it, it "may" be the right thing to do to avoid further conflict, but at that point he wasn't trying to avoid conflict he was defending his pride. i know when i'm in the heat of the moment, i really don't care what the right thing to do is, only what i want to do at that moment.
Yeah, like I said, some people are like that. And it's understandable. But you can't possibly think that going berserk and starting a fight is the right thing to do. If you go out of control in that situation, don't you wish you could actually be calm and just go report those two to the security?
I just brought this up because a lot of people seem to be proud to be violent.
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Sorry I'll try to cool it down in the future.
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
I agree with you in this case 100%. I'm just saying some people write "I would never hit anyone" with unbelievable certainty. That was the basis of my post.
I feel like this is becoming more and more accurate:
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
Did you even read Chill's post?
In a court of law, if someone hits you, you may defend yourself. The older man struck first, so the young man defend himself. Mob rules was saying "he's too old to get hit" clearly, you can hear this from the audience reaction. Legally, nothing will happen to the young man; alternatively, the older couple could face charges for instigating a fight, and causing emotional harm - attacking in front of a body of people.
In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law". Everyone can agree a primal feeling takes over once you start fighting, or even when you get hit! Some people have it really bad - check out the interview with Dice and Tom Green lol - but some people can hold that primal feeling back. edit: yeah, chill was just showing the kids here what happens in a real life situation, cool
Fumi, if you saw the video, you wouldn't say the young man was a docuhe taking it further. I think we both know who took it 'further' in this case, all the young man was doing was trying to sit down and watch his game. You can even hear him yelling at one point "I paid my tickets.. fucking this.. fucking that... " It sounds like he got into an argument with the person next to him, and she was immature and took it waaaay too far. To further this, he eventually tried sitting down when the bitch walked away - thus ending the confrontation.... nope! big dumbass was ready to rock, and he got clocked; hopefully a lesson learned - not too many more lessons that man can take lol.
P.S. By law, equal rights means men and woman have equal rights. Would you punish a female for defending herself? Would you punish a male for defending himself? I do not see where sex comes into play here???
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
Did you even read Chill's post?
In a court of law, if someone hits you, you may defend yourself. The older man struck first, so the young man defend himself. Mob rules was saying "he's too old to get hit" clearly, you can hear this from the audience reaction. Legally, nothing will happen to the young man; alternatively, the older couple could face charges for instigating a fight, and causing emotional harm - attacking in front of a body of people.
In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law". Everyone can agree a primal feeling takes over once you start fighting, or even when you get hit! Some people have it really bad - check out the interview with Dice and Tom Green lol - but some people can hold that primal feeling back. edit: yeah, chill was just showing the kids here what happens in a real life situation, cool
Fumi, if you saw the video, you wouldn't say the young man was a docuhe taking it further. I think we both know who took it 'further' in this case, all the young man was doing was trying to sit down and watch his game. You can even hear him yelling at one point "I paid my tickets.. fucking this.. fucking that... " It sounds like he got into an argument with the person next to him, and she was immature and took it waaaay too far. To further this, he eventually tried sitting down when the bitch walked away - thus ending the confrontation.... nope! big dumbass was ready to rock, and he got clocked; hopefully a lesson learned - not too many more lessons that man can take lol.
P.S. By law, equal rights means men and woman have equal rights. Would you punish a female for defending herself? Would you punish a male for defending himself? I do not see where sex comes into play here???
Perhaps you didn't read Chill's post either. Does everybody just not read the part in his post about the opposition laying hands on you? That's the whole thing. Nowhere in his post is he advocating violence in a discussion or simply hurting people. His entire point is that playing armchair quarterback to confrontations and always saying "turn the other cheek" or things of that nature is meaningless until you've been in a situation like that yourself.
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
Did you even read Chill's post?
In a court of law, if someone hits you, you may defend yourself. The older man struck first, so the young man defend himself. Mob rules was saying "he's too old to get hit" clearly, you can hear this from the audience reaction. Legally, nothing will happen to the young man; alternatively, the older couple could face charges for instigating a fight, and causing emotional harm - attacking in front of a body of people.
In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law". Everyone can agree a primal feeling takes over once you start fighting, or even when you get hit! Some people have it really bad - check out the interview with Dice and Tom Green lol - but some people can hold that primal feeling back. edit: yeah, chill was just showing the kids here what happens in a real life situation, cool
Fumi, if you saw the video, you wouldn't say the young man was a docuhe taking it further. I think we both know who took it 'further' in this case, all the young man was doing was trying to sit down and watch his game. You can even hear him yelling at one point "I paid my tickets.. fucking this.. fucking that... " It sounds like he got into an argument with the person next to him, and she was immature and took it waaaay too far. To further this, he eventually tried sitting down when the bitch walked away - thus ending the confrontation.... nope! big dumbass was ready to rock, and he got clocked; hopefully a lesson learned - not too many more lessons that man can take lol.
P.S. By law, equal rights means men and woman have equal rights. Would you punish a female for defending herself? Would you punish a male for defending himself? I do not see where sex comes into play here???
Perhaps you didn't read Chill's post either. Does everybody just not read the part in his post about the opposition laying hands on you? That's the whole thing. Nowhere in his post is he advocating violence in a discussion or simply hurting people. His entire point is that playing armchair quarterback to confrontations and always saying "turn the other cheek" or things of that nature is meaningless until you've been in a situation like that yourself.
You have poor comprehension.... All I said is , Chill is wrong is law, doubt he is talking about that though. I even edit : after you quoted unfortunately that ya, he was just trying to show kids real life... I edit because chill posted after I was posting. When did I say chill was advocating violence lol.. Sounds like you were though ^^ and btw, when did this discussion turn about chill? :S
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
Did you even read Chill's post?
In a court of law, if someone hits you, you may defend yourself. The older man struck first, so the young man defend himself. Mob rules was saying "he's too old to get hit" clearly, you can hear this from the audience reaction. Legally, nothing will happen to the young man; alternatively, the older couple could face charges for instigating a fight, and causing emotional harm - attacking in front of a body of people.
In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law". Everyone can agree a primal feeling takes over once you start fighting, or even when you get hit! Some people have it really bad - check out the interview with Dice and Tom Green lol - but some people can hold that primal feeling back. edit: yeah, chill was just showing the kids here what happens in a real life situation, cool
Fumi, if you saw the video, you wouldn't say the young man was a docuhe taking it further. I think we both know who took it 'further' in this case, all the young man was doing was trying to sit down and watch his game. You can even hear him yelling at one point "I paid my tickets.. fucking this.. fucking that... " It sounds like he got into an argument with the person next to him, and she was immature and took it waaaay too far. To further this, he eventually tried sitting down when the bitch walked away - thus ending the confrontation.... nope! big dumbass was ready to rock, and he got clocked; hopefully a lesson learned - not too many more lessons that man can take lol.
P.S. By law, equal rights means men and woman have equal rights. Would you punish a female for defending herself? Would you punish a male for defending himself? I do not see where sex comes into play here???
The douche part, I think I might have worded it weirdly. What I meant was, he was "taking it further" because he continued the discussion after the woman slapped him. But yeah, the oldies were just plain wrong, so I didn't even comment on them. It did seem to me though, although it's just an assumption, that once the two oldies were walking away, the guy said something, and that something actually made the old man charge at him. So assuming that's what happened, it doesn't matter if the guy was sitting down. I say that cause the old man seems to be trying to get the woman out of there and go away during the whole thing. Either way, hitting that guy was wrong. We're talking about losing control in the heat of the moment, I guess that's exactly what happened to the two there. Mostly to the old man, as that slap was really uncalled for in my opinion.
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
Did you even read Chill's post?
In a court of law, if someone hits you, you may defend yourself. The older man struck first, so the young man defend himself. Mob rules was saying "he's too old to get hit" clearly, you can hear this from the audience reaction. Legally, nothing will happen to the young man; alternatively, the older couple could face charges for instigating a fight, and causing emotional harm - attacking in front of a body of people.
In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law". Everyone can agree a primal feeling takes over once you start fighting, or even when you get hit! Some people have it really bad - check out the interview with Dice and Tom Green lol - but some people can hold that primal feeling back. edit: yeah, chill was just showing the kids here what happens in a real life situation, cool
Fumi, if you saw the video, you wouldn't say the young man was a docuhe taking it further. I think we both know who took it 'further' in this case, all the young man was doing was trying to sit down and watch his game. You can even hear him yelling at one point "I paid my tickets.. fucking this.. fucking that... " It sounds like he got into an argument with the person next to him, and she was immature and took it waaaay too far. To further this, he eventually tried sitting down when the bitch walked away - thus ending the confrontation.... nope! big dumbass was ready to rock, and he got clocked; hopefully a lesson learned - not too many more lessons that man can take lol.
P.S. By law, equal rights means men and woman have equal rights. Would you punish a female for defending herself? Would you punish a male for defending himself? I do not see where sex comes into play here???
The douche part, I think I might have worded it weirdly. What I meant was, he was "taking it further" because he continued the discussion after the woman slapped him. But yeah, the oldies were just plain wrong, so I didn't even comment on them. It did seem to me though, although it's just an assumption, that once the two oldies were walking away, the guy said something, and that something actually made the old man charge at him. So assuming that's what happened, it doesn't matter if the guy was sitting down. I say that cause the old man seems to be trying to get the woman out of there and go away during the whole thing. Either way, hitting that guy was wrong. We're talking about losing control in the heat of the moment, I guess that's exactly what happened to the two there. Mostly to the old man, as that slap was really uncalled for in my opinion.
I agree with you Fumi, now that I know what you are talking about. I agree also that both parties were at wrong morally, but at law, only the older couple. What was really interesting in the video was how fast Ameri--- I mean, people turn into "mob rules". I think that should be addressed a little more, but I have a semi-bias towards Americ-- oops, I mean people, so I shouldn't get into that
On September 04 2010 05:20 Keldrath wrote: well where im from hitting a woman, no matter the reason, even if she hit you first, is a good way to get your teeth kicked in. we dont care the reason, its inexcusable around here.
that's how i was raised and that's how i would handle it too. you dont hit women, and people who do get beat.
you don't hit ladies. but being a lady means you are acting ladylike.
aka not going around slapping strangers for no reason
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
Did you even read Chill's post?
In a court of law, if someone hits you, you may defend yourself. The older man struck first, so the young man defend himself. Mob rules was saying "he's too old to get hit" clearly, you can hear this from the audience reaction. Legally, nothing will happen to the young man; alternatively, the older couple could face charges for instigating a fight, and causing emotional harm - attacking in front of a body of people.
In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law". Everyone can agree a primal feeling takes over once you start fighting, or even when you get hit! Some people have it really bad - check out the interview with Dice and Tom Green lol - but some people can hold that primal feeling back. edit: yeah, chill was just showing the kids here what happens in a real life situation, cool
Fumi, if you saw the video, you wouldn't say the young man was a docuhe taking it further. I think we both know who took it 'further' in this case, all the young man was doing was trying to sit down and watch his game. You can even hear him yelling at one point "I paid my tickets.. fucking this.. fucking that... " It sounds like he got into an argument with the person next to him, and she was immature and took it waaaay too far. To further this, he eventually tried sitting down when the bitch walked away - thus ending the confrontation.... nope! big dumbass was ready to rock, and he got clocked; hopefully a lesson learned - not too many more lessons that man can take lol.
P.S. By law, equal rights means men and woman have equal rights. Would you punish a female for defending herself? Would you punish a male for defending himself? I do not see where sex comes into play here???
Perhaps you didn't read Chill's post either. Does everybody just not read the part in his post about the opposition laying hands on you? That's the whole thing. Nowhere in his post is he advocating violence in a discussion or simply hurting people. His entire point is that playing armchair quarterback to confrontations and always saying "turn the other cheek" or things of that nature is meaningless until you've been in a situation like that yourself.
You have poor comprehension.... All I said is , Chill is wrong is law, doubt he is talking about that though. I even edit : after you quoted unfortunately that ya, he was just trying to show kids real life... I edit because chill posted after I was posting. When did I say chill was advocating violence lol.. Sounds like you were though ^^ and btw, when did this discussion turn about chill? :S
This is like I've entered some sort of fucking Twilight Zone episode.
By your own discussion of the law and self defense, Chill's post isn't wrong because he SPECIFICALLY mentions in his about retaliating to a physical confrontation which was started by the opposition. You need to learn to construct better, more thought out replies if these aren't what you're trying to say. Either that or there's some huge baller analogy wrapped in this thread that I missed.
edit: Maybe this is all just strange by poor quoting skills and mediocre post direction.
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
Did you even read Chill's post?
In a court of law, if someone hits you, you may defend yourself. The older man struck first, so the young man defend himself. Mob rules was saying "he's too old to get hit" clearly, you can hear this from the audience reaction. Legally, nothing will happen to the young man; alternatively, the older couple could face charges for instigating a fight, and causing emotional harm - attacking in front of a body of people.
In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law". Everyone can agree a primal feeling takes over once you start fighting, or even when you get hit! Some people have it really bad - check out the interview with Dice and Tom Green lol - but some people can hold that primal feeling back. edit: yeah, chill was just showing the kids here what happens in a real life situation, cool
Fumi, if you saw the video, you wouldn't say the young man was a docuhe taking it further. I think we both know who took it 'further' in this case, all the young man was doing was trying to sit down and watch his game. You can even hear him yelling at one point "I paid my tickets.. fucking this.. fucking that... " It sounds like he got into an argument with the person next to him, and she was immature and took it waaaay too far. To further this, he eventually tried sitting down when the bitch walked away - thus ending the confrontation.... nope! big dumbass was ready to rock, and he got clocked; hopefully a lesson learned - not too many more lessons that man can take lol.
P.S. By law, equal rights means men and woman have equal rights. Would you punish a female for defending herself? Would you punish a male for defending himself? I do not see where sex comes into play here???
Perhaps you didn't read Chill's post either. Does everybody just not read the part in his post about the opposition laying hands on you? That's the whole thing. Nowhere in his post is he advocating violence in a discussion or simply hurting people. His entire point is that playing armchair quarterback to confrontations and always saying "turn the other cheek" or things of that nature is meaningless until you've been in a situation like that yourself.
You have poor comprehension.... All I said is , Chill is wrong is law, doubt he is talking about that though. I even edit : after you quoted unfortunately that ya, he was just trying to show kids real life... I edit because chill posted after I was posting. When did I say chill was advocating violence lol.. Sounds like you were though ^^ and btw, when did this discussion turn about chill? :S
This is like I've entered some sort of fucking Twilight Zone episode.
By your own discussion of the law and self defense, Chill's post isn't wrong because he SPECIFICALLY mentions in his about retaliating to a physical confrontation which was started by the opposition. You need to learn to construct better, more thought out replies if these aren't what you're trying to say. Either that or there's some huge baller analogy wrapped in this thread that I missed.
edit: Maybe this is all just strange by poor quoting skills and mediocre post direction.
Or maybe you have really poor comprehension and you're defending your boyfriend, Chill. I didn't even disagree with Chill, I was using what he said as an example and said this wouldn't be true in law. "In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law"." Is this not straight forward for you, my dear? Again, why are we discussing Chill? x.x PM if you want, stop ruining this thread with this bickering.
On September 04 2010 05:20 Keldrath wrote: well where im from hitting a woman, no matter the reason, even if she hit you first, is a good way to get your teeth kicked in. we dont care the reason, its inexcusable around here.
that's how i was raised and that's how i would handle it too. you dont hit women, and people who do get beat.
you don't hit ladies. but being a lady means you are acting ladylike.
aka not going around slapping strangers for no reason
right, but when its a woman and she slaps you, you're a man, you take it like a man, you dont hit her back.
if a man comes up and hits you that's a different story.
On September 04 2010 05:20 Keldrath wrote: well where im from hitting a woman, no matter the reason, even if she hit you first, is a good way to get your teeth kicked in. we dont care the reason, its inexcusable around here.
that's how i was raised and that's how i would handle it too. you dont hit women, and people who do get beat.
you don't hit ladies. but being a lady means you are acting ladylike.
aka not going around slapping strangers for no reason
right, but when its a woman and she slaps you, you're a man, you take it like a man, you dont hit her back.
if a man comes up and hits you that's a different story.
i dont know if we are arguing general principle here or not but i'm talking about the guy shoving her in the video after that old dude attacked him.
On September 04 2010 03:14 CheAse wrote: You should never hit a woman, unless you are going to be pummeled to death by a female body builder and need to fend for your life.
I'd like to hear some arguments for that besides "that's what society taught me" and "political correctness"
I probably wouldn't punch her for slapping me, but there's a damn good chance she'd be getting pinned down or at least having her hands pinned behind her back until security came.
On September 04 2010 05:20 Keldrath wrote: well where im from hitting a woman, no matter the reason, even if she hit you first, is a good way to get your teeth kicked in. we dont care the reason, its inexcusable around here.
that's how i was raised and that's how i would handle it too. you dont hit women, and people who do get beat.
you don't hit ladies. but being a lady means you are acting ladylike.
aka not going around slapping strangers for no reason
right, but when its a woman and she slaps you, you're a man, you take it like a man, you dont hit her back.
if a man comes up and hits you that's a different story.
i dont know if we are arguing general principle here or not but i'm talking about the guy shoving her in the video after that old dude attacked him.
well she kinda jumped on him so thats reasonable that he would try to push her away. i dont see it as him hitting her.
as far as the video goes i think the guy handled everything remarkably well given the circumstances. and im not surprised the crowd would side with the old people in that just because they had no real way to know exactly what was going on. for all they know he attacked the old man! so its natural they would try to restrain him to be safe. hindsight is 20/20 tho and we can see he clearly wasnt in the wrong in this instance.
On September 04 2010 03:14 CheAse wrote: You should never hit a woman, unless you are going to be pummeled to death by a female body builder and need to fend for your life.
I'd like to hear some arguments for that besides "that's what society taught me" and "political correctness"
when a girl hits you, you know she's just pissed off at something small and wont dare to try it again. when a guy hits you, you know he wants to kick your ass.
On September 04 2010 03:40 Hawk wrote: I think the best part is that they got upset with his language, and somehow rationalized that verbal and physical confrontation was a classy way of dealing with it.
This.
You're going to go to the night session at the US Open, sit in the upper deck where the fans are generally rowdier and probably have a few beers in them by the time the men's match starts and expect to not hear any swearing? It's not the royal box at Wimbledon, ffs.
And then you respond to this "uncouth behavior" by getting into a shouting match? I reckon the guy must have said something to provoke the woman to slap him but it's pretty clear she was the instigator in the confrontation.
The older guy has nobody to blame but himself really, regardless of what the younger guy may have said. A) He's half your age and appears fairly fit; I'm pretty sure he can take you. B) Stadium seating. One shove, you overbalance and potentially smash your head into the concrete floor. Risk vs. Reward people. >.>
In the younger guy's defense, he looked fairly horrified when grampa fell over the seats in front of him. It looks like he pushed him off reflexively.
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
except more than half of the poll says they would hit her back?
That guy's boss. I love his pompous motions and general body language. That's how you settle arguements, not by tripping down several rows of chairs trying to combat someone three generations younger than you.
On September 04 2010 03:14 CheAse wrote: You should never hit a woman, unless you are going to be pummeled to death by a female body builder and need to fend for your life.
I'd like to hear some arguments for that besides "that's what society taught me" and "political correctness"
when a girl hits you, you know she's just pissed off at something small and wont dare to try it again. when a guy hits you, you know he wants to kick your ass.
Over a slap like that I wouldn't do anything - if I had a way to make her regret it I would make use of it, but if she punched me in the face for instance, I don't care what her intentions are and I won't wait to know, if I don't punch back, I will at the very least push her away pretty hard.
Fine that was just one slap but I've seen girls throwing their fists around and digging in the guy's flesh with their nails - and while he could just turn around and deck her in the face to get it over with, they oftentimes just try to get away - and they don't run because running away from a girl would be even worse for their ego.
Lol for what? To pay an attorney to win nominal damages in a civil suit?
It really depends on whether I would hit a woman. Generally no but I've learned that circumstances tend to dictate rather than some set principle.
He was assaulted by 2 people. He could make pretty decent money AND put idiots back in their place. I would probably do it. They'd probably be better off just handing him $5000 and say we're sorry for being idiots.
Ya. As much as I hate the "I can do whatever the fuck I want" attitude of the younger guy, he didn't do anything wrong. The videos show that he just wanted to be left alone, and it's his right to swear and do whatever he wants to a certain extent.
If the older couple had a problem with that, they could have brought it up with security, and security could have just come over and checked out the situation, maybe told him to try to watch his language, or even moved the old couple to another seat, which it seems like there are plenty open ones up there.
To the topic of this thread: - never hit a woman who slaps you back. never hit a woman who slaps you back. never hit a woman who slaps you back. Also: never hit a woman who slaps you back. The only difference is if u are clearly right and she is just being a mean bitch, in that case: never hit a woman who slaps you back.
To the video: - The young guy is cool. -I hope the old retard who jumped him for no reason got injured: thats what u get- - it is good that the fat bitch is now officially shamed for being an aggressive fat bitch; i hope many of her friends and coworkers saw what she is. Spread the video so they will know. - the reaction of the crowd just shows how retarded and biased people are. The same thing happened to me once a long time ago when I was riding my bike and a fuckwad in a wheelchair rammed me for no reason. The people around me just assumed it was my fault and were like "look that mean kid rammed the poor man in a wheelchair" without having seen anything and I had to get the fuck out.
On September 04 2010 08:16 404.Delirium wrote: His mannerisms look like an exaggerated, cliched, Italian argument. I love it
I kept thinking of the "come at me bro" guy for some reason. I seem to remember someone saying we humans have an overdeveloped adrenal gland and underdeveloped frontal cortex...well something like that. Might help to explain this kind of behaviour. Not to change subject more but it's interesting I saw a fight in baseball between two players a couple days ago, which I thought I'd never see
btw never hit a woman is just riddiculous, deserve to be treated like a lady deserve to be treated like an elder thats all. patience has a limit and this guy reached it.
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
I personally think this only makes gray shirt guy's refusal to use violence that much more impressive. It's a testament to America's rampant (and often wrong) stereotyping that the old man pulls the guy by the head, and the crowd rushes to the old man's defense instead.
To all the people who are trying to blame the guy for not calling security, I don't really think it would be a stretch to try and avoid bringing in security. That would probably mean more hassle and perhaps neither of them would get to watch the game.
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
I personally think this only makes gray shirt guy's refusal to use violence that much more impressive. It's a testament to America's rampant (and often wrong) stereotyping that the old man pulls the guy by the head, and the crowd rushes to the old man's defense instead.
To all the people who are trying to blame the guy for not calling security, I don't really think it would be a stretch to try and avoid bringing in security. That would probably mean more hassle and perhaps neither of them would get to watch the game.
That would be fine if it had no violence, but it had, and it resulted in that major mess. The ideal would be getting security the moment he got slapped, it usually happens silently, really.
Don't know if I would stoop to that level of hitting her back. Although I can't see myself getting angry over something so small as cursing. I mean it's a game people are going to yell. Also theres a thread on /b/ they currently have her info and business address; raid is unavoidable.
im surprised at the number of people who wouldn't hit back. why would you let these people hit you and not do anything about it? just because they are girls and what, they don't know better? they are too weak?
as a person, they have no right to touch, let alone hit, another person. you don't do anything about it, you just let them go on with their life thinking they're big and all that?
a girl slapping you is her testing your limits. they know its socially unacceptable for men to hit women they are absolutely taking advantage of the situation. and you know what?
fuck that shit. everyone needs to know their place and need to know respect, both men and women alike. the less bitches there are in the world, the better for all of us.
(you obviously wouldn't beat the shit out of her. you wouldn't beat the shit out of a weaker guy either. one sucker punch and they're down and out - you've made your point)
LOL wow, I hate crowds of people so much. Fucking crowd mentality can make the most eloquent people look like barbarians. That said, the bitch and dinosaur looked to be the primarily culprits from my point of view..
On September 04 2010 09:19 Boblion wrote: I would definitly beat a woman if she try to slap me. Wecolme to the 21th century, where we have all the same rights.
On September 04 2010 09:19 Boblion wrote: I would definitly beat a woman if she try to slap me. Wecolme to the 21th century, where we have all the same rights.
At which point would the beating stop?
I don't think i would really hurt her but i think i would slap or push her back, like the guy did on the video vs the old men. I just want to protect myself.
sry kinda tipsy, "beat" was probably not the right word
fuck that shit. a women shouldnt be allowed to hit a man and not have any negative side effects other than appearing to be a bitch. im not for beating women and starting a fight with them or anything, but we cant even press charges, or get her thrown out for slapping him. but if he punched her, or even slapped her, wouldnt have been the same. i agree with you op, equal rights should be equal rights. i wouldnt hit back just cause the negative impacts it would cause for me would be much worse than taking a slap.
On September 04 2010 08:58 BuGzlToOnl wrote: Don't know if I would stoop to that level of hitting her back. Although I can't see myself getting angry over something so small as cursing. I mean it's a game people are going to yell. Also theres a thread on /b/ they currently have her info and business address; raid is unavoidable.
On September 04 2010 08:58 BuGzlToOnl wrote: Don't know if I would stoop to that level of hitting her back. Although I can't see myself getting angry over something so small as cursing. I mean it's a game people are going to yell. Also theres a thread on /b/ they currently have her info and business address; raid is unavoidable.
I watched some of the other episodes, just to see what the show was about, and pretty much all the men that are contestants are small, weak, and probably have no dignity. This dude on the other hand had some balls, and didn't take it. Good for him.
i might be a bit late here, but this is how you deal with some bitch trying to slap you. another reason for me to love Gordon Ramsay.
imo, leave the cow who slapped you, i've been slapped before, it's not that bad, kind of wtf (some crazy chick tried to call me a racist and shit, because i blamed her for something, it was ridiculous, lol). u want to take that bitch out after, but just take it like a man and then they look crazy. that old asshole is fair game though. and why is the crowd being a bunch of douchebags and basically swarming this guy who's defending himself? stupid situation.
wtf poor guy! He was having an argument with his girlfriend (or whatever, who cares?), something that everyone goes through, he takes a slap like a fucking man and refuses to even touch her, and then the entire fucking stadium tackles him.
I wouldn't hit anyone back in that sort of mix up. Hitting back is the caveman thing to do, and makes your argument (whatever it's about, who cares?) pretty invalid pretty fast in the context of the situation.
That said, if the entire stadium tackled me for arguing with my girlfriend in public, I'd at least try to defend myself.
Edit:
Gordon Ramsey being the manliest fucker in the room while showing us all how it's done. No matter what either side says nobody has any right to slap. Gordon can be a fucking asshole, but he sure handled that fucking well.
On September 04 2010 10:17 eLiE wrote: i might be a bit late here, but this is how you deal with some bitch trying to slap you. another reason for me to love Gordon Ramsay.
imo, leave the cow who slapped you, i've been slapped before, it's not that bad, kind of wtf (some crazy chick tried to call me a racist and shit, because i blamed her for something, it was ridiculous, lol). u want to take that bitch out after, but just take it like a man and then they look crazy. that old asshole is fair game though. and why is the crowd being a bunch of douchebags and basically swarming this guy who's defending himself? stupid situation.
On September 04 2010 10:17 eLiE wrote: i might be a bit late here, but this is how you deal with some bitch trying to slap you. another reason for me to love Gordon Ramsay.
imo, leave the cow who slapped you, i've been slapped before, it's not that bad, kind of wtf (some crazy chick tried to call me a racist and shit, because i blamed her for something, it was ridiculous, lol). u want to take that bitch out after, but just take it like a man and then they look crazy. that old asshole is fair game though. and why is the crowd being a bunch of douchebags and basically swarming this guy who's defending himself? stupid situation.
On September 04 2010 10:17 eLiE wrote: i might be a bit late here, but this is how you deal with some bitch trying to slap you. another reason for me to love Gordon Ramsay.
imo, leave the cow who slapped you, i've been slapped before, it's not that bad, kind of wtf (some crazy chick tried to call me a racist and shit, because i blamed her for something, it was ridiculous, lol). u want to take that bitch out after, but just take it like a man and then they look crazy. that old asshole is fair game though. and why is the crowd being a bunch of douchebags and basically swarming this guy who's defending himself? stupid situation.
Those be some pro reflexes.
i think it may be in his hand positioning, im definately trying to folding arms / hand touching cheek matter. he looked like he expected it, when she turned, he moved his hand to his mouth already.
Diner Fight Guy 1: The fuck is wrong with you, man? You'd rather die for some piece of shit that you don't even fucking know? Dave Lizewski: The three assholes, laying into one guy while everybody else watches? And you wanna know what's wrong with me? Yeah, I'd rather die... so bring it on!
This is my favorite quote from the movie Kickass, that quote alone makes the movie my second favorite.
People are hypocrites today. They don't really care about others very much. You'll see that instead of stopping a fight from happening, intervening, they just sit there.
I knew about this since 9 AM this morning when some of the staff at my news internship were talking about it and the video.
I was like wow.... I seriously couldn't believe what I saw but then again, I realized that this is New York.... the 5 PM anchor said the same thing. But basically, those 2 youtube videos made it fame for today by being on mainstream media in practically all networks and sites besides the hurricane which I also find ridiculous but meh, w/e.
But it's clear who's wrong here as most of us can agree who are the stupid ones. I mean they all are but the real criminals in this case. It just sickens me that this will be now used to worsen the image of Americans or even NYers at this rate...
Anyway, since no one posted the updated news about the aftermath that I found in regards to the punishment, here ya go:
Fan trio in U.S. Open brawl banned from Flushing tennis tourney until 2013 as video goes viral
BY Wayne Coffey, Mark Morales and Larry Mcshane Daily News Staff Writers
Call this one a triple fault: A trio of brawling tennis fans were barred Friday from returning to the U.S. Open until 2013.
The threesome traded blows in the upper deck of Arthur Ashe Stadium during a Thursday night match, with all three eventually thrown out - and then banned from the Open through Sept. 30, 2012.
Joey Pedevill was hiding out in his East Side apartment as video of his foul-mouth tirade and fight with Tracey Falco and her dad Lawrence Burnett became an internet sensation.
"He's freaking out," Pedevill's girlfriend, Heather Gaffin, outside their apartment. "He didn't do anything wrong. Thank God, he didn't do anything wrong."
The girlfriend's father said the 27-year-old wants to put the incident behind him.
"He doesn't want the attention," the dad said. "He doesn't need the publicity."
Another witness, Sue Linford, said she was stunned to see the typically calm tennis crowd transfixed by the spasm of violence - a showdown that pitted Pedevill versus Falco, 49, and Burnett, 75.
"I've never, ever seen anything like it," said the British tourist. "I thought it was going to be a great brawl."
The fight began when Falco confronted Pedevill over his foul language - which only escalated after she slapped him across the face.
Pedevill, a Mike Tyson fan and a former high school wrestler, smiled broadly and mockingly clapped his hands after the blow.
"C'mon, smack me again," he taunted. "Go ahead ... I don't give a f--- what anybody wants. I got a lot of money on this game, and I f------ paid for my ticket."
Arnold Florendo, 37, of Great Neck, L.I., who caught the fracas with a video camera, said the verbal sparring seemed to slow down before turning physical again.
"You f------ made me miss half the game, because you're being a f------ idiot!" Pedevill snapped - prompting senior citizen Burnett to defend his daughter.
The bespectacled battler grabbed the younger man by his throat, and the pair tumbled down the stairs in the stadium's upper tier.
The fighting erupted during the Novak Djokovic-Philipp Petzschner match, which was briefly halted as the combatants were led out.
The players, along with many fans, stood staring at the fighters. All three were handcuffed and taken to a loading dock area, but released when they declined to press charges.
Burnett - who was wearing a Mets cap - was spotted undergoing police questioning while sitting in a wheelchair.
None of the brawlers will be welcomed back at the tennis major until the tournament in 2013.
"If they come on the grounds any time before then, they can be arrested for trespassing," said Chris Widmaier, spokesman for the U.S. Tennis Association.
Yep, 3 years of all 3 of them are now banned to buy tickets and watch the US Open like they wanted to. Equal punishment apparently and all of them handcuffed....
Lol for what? To pay an attorney to win nominal damages in a civil suit?
It really depends on whether I would hit a woman. Generally no but I've learned that circumstances tend to dictate rather than some set principle.
He was assaulted by 2 people. He could make pretty decent money AND put idiots back in their place. I would probably do it. They'd probably be better off just handing him $5000 and say we're sorry for being idiots.
Maybe in Canada, but in the USA he'll only get compensated for his actual damages in a civil suit (in other words jack shit). He'd lose time/money by hiring an attorney just for the case as compared to the reward ($1 nominal damages for the battery) he'd receive. Doubt he'd get anything for mental harm or awarded punitive damages for this. Settlement is a possibility, but bringing a lawsuit for this would just be retarded imo. A criminal case might be better, but I doubt the State would decide to prosecute them.
But on another note, totally forgot about "how can she slap." Fucking hilarious.
I had a crazy chick coming at me hitting, slapping and insulting me ata bar once. I took it like jesus for sometime and warned her not to do that, but she just got more confident.
When she tried to pull my hair, I flung her agst the wall and locked her arms not really to hurt, but keep her from moving and said some shit to keep her in line.
Of course crowd gathered and her friends kept shouting some shit like "she's just a girl how can you do this" crap. And she was crying like she was raped. Not everyone in the crowd was buying her drama and even sympathizing with me, but I still felt like shit because lot of people were giving me the look. If it happened again, id probably do the same thing. I'm not just gonna take all the abuse and not protect myself, but now i know that there's no 100% winning with hostile women. Just the way it is I guess.
On September 04 2010 10:38 Never.Die wrote: Still, I wonder what that guy did to start all that shit, because he seemed pretty obnoxious. My guess is he started that shit.
On September 04 2010 09:08 a176 wrote: im surprised at the number of people who wouldn't hit back. why would you let these people hit you and not do anything about it? just because they are girls and what, they don't know better? they are too weak?
as a person, they have no right to touch, let alone hit, another person. you don't do anything about it, you just let them go on with their life thinking they're big and all that?
a girl slapping you is her testing your limits. they know its socially unacceptable for men to hit women they are absolutely taking advantage of the situation. and you know what?
fuck that shit. everyone needs to know their place and need to know respect, both men and women alike. the less bitches there are in the world, the better for all of us.
(you obviously wouldn't beat the shit out of her. you wouldn't beat the shit out of a weaker guy either. one sucker punch and they're down and out - you've made your point)
Why? Because we're chauvanistic. Slapping a girl in the bedroom, if she's into that type of thing, is a different story though.....
I dunno, but I could really put the hurt on her if I did hit her - I'm 240 lbs (110 kilos), I've had years of martial arts training and years of playing (Canadian) football and rugby..... Maybe it's just because I could really, really hurt her if I did.....
And it's not just girls I won't hit - it's also those smaller guys (what, 99% of TL )..... The boyfriend of a friend of mine wanted to fight me one time when he was drunk..... I am bigger than him by at least 100 lbs (45 lbs), and by a good foot (30 cm) in height..... Of course I didn't fight him..... He thought he would lose too, but the reason he wanted to fight was "for the rush"..... He thanked me the next time I saw him.....
It's scenes like this i love having a girlfriend who will kick the shit out of girls like that. God damn society still can't accept that women can take a shot too, and often need it.
Of course i wouldnt want to try and knock her out but id give her a little sting back, just like when you spank your kids you know, you're not reallly trying to hurt them, just teaching them a lesson.
On September 04 2010 10:37 NIJ wrote: I had a crazy chick coming at me hitting, slapping and insulting me ata bar once. I took it like jesus for sometime and warned her not to do that, but she just got more confident.
When she tried to pull my hair, I flung her agst the wall and locked her arms not really to hurt, but keep her from moving and said some shit to keep her in line.
Of course crowd gathered and her friends kept shouting some shit like "she's just a girl how can you do this" crap. And she was crying like she was raped. Not everyone in the crowd was buying her drama and even sympathizing with me, but I still felt like shit because lot of people were giving me the look. If it happened again, id probably do the same thing. I'm not just gonna take all the abuse and not protect myself, but now i know that there's no 100% winning with hostile women. Just the way it is I guess.
thats fucking bullshitt man sucks for you. at least you got some support from the crowd. as for me i'd probably lose it if i was the guy in the video and hit her back D:
The mob mentality against the young man was pretty disturbing at the end. Legally the young man is in the clear, and morally I think he held back pretty well, considering how much more physically fit he was compared to the other two. I wonder what old man would have to say about this.
Hitting somebody that doesn't actually pose a threat to you is guaranteed to end up making you look just as bad as they do.
In an ideal world, you will clearly look like "the better man" if you refuse to respond to violence with violence. But people are unfortunately idiots. -_- The bitch probably would have pressed charges if he hit back, so it was the right decision.
Disappointing that he didn't press charges against that senile old man, though. He really deserves some sort of punishment.
In response to the video, damn what a champ. That young guy might've been swearing it up a bit, but he took that hit without any kind of physical retaliation. He deserves a medal, or at least not being barred from the U.S. Open. Poor guy, has to suffer even after behaving like (some kind of) a gentleman.
As for the OP questions... fuck double standards. It's such a shame that society deems hitting a girl back as taboo while stressing gender equality. If violence can be avoided then great, but if not then the genders involved shouldn't matter at all. How can someone who believes in gender equality argue getting smacked by a guy is different from being smacked by a girl. Would I hit a girl if she hit me first? Shit, morally I see no problem but people still view it as something you just don't do. If I'm in a I-don't-give-a-fuck mood, sure I'll hit her back. Otherwise I'll probably let it slide and just try to avoid the situation.
I don't hit back in general, be it a 3-year old kid or a a fucking gangster, unless it's a life threatening (now that's self-defense which is a completely different story). In regard to equal rights and shits, the moment someone hits me like that (okay except for maybe my parents, i'm an asian what do you expect ;_; ), he or she is already below my level, why bother bring myself down there?
Fucking double standards. Women want to be treated equal, and when some bitch steps out of line and hits a man she expects him to treat her like a lady and just sit there. I say slap a ho and slap her good.
no offense, but man, some Americans are so unimaginably dumb. "GET HIM OUT OF HERE"...."JESUS CHRIST" goddamnit ppl, shut the fuck up. They treat all this as a scene for amusement. And yeah, if that woman hit me once, i would probably resist the temptation to hit her back. But if she persists then i'm knocking her out. Women these days think they are the boss of everything.
On September 04 2010 10:17 eLiE wrote: i might be a bit late here, but this is how you deal with some bitch trying to slap you. another reason for me to love Gordon Ramsay.
imo, leave the cow who slapped you, i've been slapped before, it's not that bad, kind of wtf (some crazy chick tried to call me a racist and shit, because i blamed her for something, it was ridiculous, lol). u want to take that bitch out after, but just take it like a man and then they look crazy. that old asshole is fair game though. and why is the crowd being a bunch of douchebags and basically swarming this guy who's defending himself? stupid situation.
Looks likes Ramsay knows proper technique for bouncing:
I don't understand why bitches think it's OK to slap. Slapping does not help the situation! In most cases it only gets worse. Yo woman, don't wanna get a cave made in your face? Then don't go slapping strangers just because they're drunk and big mouthing.
If a woman slapped me, I'd just brush it off. If she kept doing it, then things might be a bit different. I think the guy handled this perfectly well. Just because you're a senior citizen, you don't have carte blanche to attack whoever you want.
It`s a ridiculous double standard that women just don't understand; women think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. I would defend my self for sure, and that guy did nothing wrong the fucking old couple should get charged.
Notice I said Defend, not hit back.
Also I'm a dragoon now, my favorite unit in Broodwars
I would not hit a girl back if she slapped me. However, if she continued to slap/punch me I'd do my best to restrain her until she calmed the fuck down or until security came.
The young guy handled himself perfectly well in the video.
I'd call the cops if she was a stranger. I'd press charges and I'd do everything to teach her a lesson. I'm pretty sure I would get into legal trouble for slapping a woman.
Wouldnt like beat the shit out of her, but would try to block, and possibly restrain if needed. It depends on threat level tbh, if she has a weapon or is going all out with bad intents, the response would proportionately increase. My safety > all. Actually thats more or less how I'd treat fighting guys too. Try to do as little without endangering myself.
On September 04 2010 22:39 ironchef wrote: Wouldnt like beat the shit out of her, but would try to block, and possibly restrain if needed. It depends on threat level tbh, if she has a weapon or is going all out with bad intents, the response would proportionately increase. My safety > all. Actually thats more or less how I'd treat fighting guys too. Try to do as little without endangering myself.
Although the second you grabbed or tried to restrain a woman you would probably be swarmed regardless. Unfortunate.
On September 04 2010 03:31 travis wrote: mobs full of idiots are cool what a bunch of assholes guy handled it like a man
no, i wouldn't hit the woman back I wouldn't hit anyone back unless I was actually in danger
and god, what a stupid ass old guy, who the fuck does he think he is? and how retarded is he? deserves to fall and break his hip
+1
+2 this is exactly what i think. Assholes in the stand coming to their "rescue". the man could have handled it a little better but he did great for the crappy situation.
Edit: I also had a situation in high school where this girl in my class kept talking about how she was this awesome karate champ and stuff. She kept talking shit to all the guys saying she would knock them out. I told her one time to stop bragging about it it just give it a rest it was getting old. She came at me and tried to punch me. I grabbed her fist just trying to block it. She punched slowly with her left hand at my nuts next and i grabbed it also and like twisted it to restrain her. The girls in my class went nuts that i laid a hand on this girl. i was like WTF are u serious i was just trying to defend myself. i never hit her or anything but i looked like a douche bag. double standard for the loss. The teachers tried to talk to me and said i couldnt lay hands on a girl.....
On September 04 2010 14:13 GrayArea wrote: An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. -Gandhi
I never liked this Ghandi quote... When half the world are being dicks then maybe it will make sense, but when an old geezer and a self entitled hag think they can get physical for no reason just because "it's not right to hit back" that will make only the innocent blind...
She looks a real bitch. She definitely deserves to get punched. If there wasn't hundreds of people + someone filming, the guy would defintely beat her. She knows it and takes advantage of the situation.
The woman tells him where young punks like him can stick it. And when young guy tells her that if she doesn't like it, to go ahead and hit him (reportedly), she obliges
Doesn't make it right that she hit him, but it wasn't 100% unprovoced. I still think that the old couple were acting retarded, especially the old man. Worst are all the "heroes" ready to beat up the guy being assaulted!
What kind of frustrated virgin would slap a 50 something old woman and her 100 year old father? She could be his own mother for fucks sake.
The guy is a former high school wrestler, if he were to hit either one of them, he would be in a far worse situation than he is now. Probably in jail and waiting to be sued.
Men have it tough in terms of self-defense. You can only really defend yourself against another man. Otherwise you come off as the aggressor.
I'd say this dude took it like a champ, and he made the right decision.
On September 04 2010 03:31 travis wrote: mobs full of idiots are cool what a bunch of assholes guy handled it like a man
no, i wouldn't hit the woman back I wouldn't hit anyone back unless I was actually in danger
and god, what a stupid ass old guy, who the fuck does he think he is? and how retarded is he? deserves to fall and break his hip
+1
+2 this is exactly what i think. Assholes in the stand coming to their "rescue". the man could have handled it a little better but he did great for the crappy situation.
Edit: I also had a situation in high school where this girl in my class kept talking about how she was this awesome karate champ and stuff. She kept talking shit to all the guys saying she would knock them out. I told her one time to stop bragging about it it just give it a rest it was getting old. She came at me and tried to punch me. I grabbed her fist just trying to block it. She punched slowly with her left hand at my nuts next and i grabbed it also and like twisted it to restrain her. The girls in my class went nuts that i laid a hand on this girl. i was like WTF are u serious i was just trying to defend myself. i never hit her or anything but i looked like a douche bag. double standard for the loss. The teachers tried to talk to me and said i couldnt lay hands on a girl.....
the only thing you should take from this is the girls and teachers in your class are retarded. that or you have misconstrued the story a bit
Wtf was that? The guy got slapped by the woman and then grabbed by the old man but the crowd attacks him? I used to believe in not hitting females but I get so pissed when women just slap guys because they don't expect them to hit back. If that's the only way they can handle problems, they deserve to be hit back.
On September 04 2010 23:48 Rev0lution wrote: What kind of frustrated virgin would slap a 50 something old woman and her 100 year old father? She could be his own mother for fucks sake.
The guy is a former high school wrestler, if he were to hit either one of them, he would be in a far worse situation than he is now. Probably in jail and waiting to be sued.
Men have it tough in terms of self-defense. You can only really defend yourself against another man. Otherwise you come off as the aggressor.
I'd say this dude took it like a champ, and he made the right decision.
Hes defending himself. Who gives a shit how old she is. Old people are fucking assholes a lot of the time. I play golf and run into them alot. They feel like they can get away with being assholes to people just because they are old.
Second video is funny "Hey I got it on video, don't worry man I got you!" lol. The young guy was a total champ and the old guy deserves his busted head.
So what happened is the young guy was being a douche and the old couple confronted him but the young dude totally smash them in verbal contest, the old fart got mad and either spit or kicked the young guy, the young guy responded and the old fart fell basically owned himself. the fat chick got in but was pushed away, two random idiots jumped in to subdue the young guy even though the young guy wasn't really doing anything (he wasn't attacking the old couple).
On September 04 2010 05:34 Taku wrote: Gender equality goes both ways imo. So meh, if I got really punched or something the response would be the same for me whether they dangle or not.
It shouldn't be "if she hits me, I hit her back". It should be "no one should hit for stupid shit, I'm calling security, be it a man or a woman".
On September 04 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: Okay kids who have never experienced real life, sit down, gather round.
On paper, in the safety of your house, yes, I agree you think you would be able to resolve a dispute through words. However, experience shows that when someone is talking huge amounts of shit to you and then suddenly places their hands on you, you may not be able to control the urge to strike back. It's basically just one of those things you need to experience. Sometimes it's just too much and you can't control yourself.
Do you really have to come off as the elderly wizard who knows it all in 90% of your posts?
Maybe you lose your head easily and goes berserk on people in the middle of a discussion, but I'm sorry, I know plenty of people who can hold themselves pretty well. In fact, that's what the guy in this video did. His mistake was being a douche and wanting to take the discussion further. The moment he was slapped, he should have called security. Period.
And even though it's understandable that some people lose their heads in the heat of an argument, you can't possibly think that this is the _right_ thing to do.
Did you even read Chill's post?
In a court of law, if someone hits you, you may defend yourself. The older man struck first, so the young man defend himself. Mob rules was saying "he's too old to get hit" clearly, you can hear this from the audience reaction. Legally, nothing will happen to the young man; alternatively, the older couple could face charges for instigating a fight, and causing emotional harm - attacking in front of a body of people.
In law, Chill is completely wrong. "Feelings" aren't welcome in a court house - but I don't think Chill was talking about "law". Everyone can agree a primal feeling takes over once you start fighting, or even when you get hit! Some people have it really bad - check out the interview with Dice and Tom Green lol - but some people can hold that primal feeling back. edit: yeah, chill was just showing the kids here what happens in a real life situation, cool
Fumi, if you saw the video, you wouldn't say the young man was a docuhe taking it further. I think we both know who took it 'further' in this case, all the young man was doing was trying to sit down and watch his game. You can even hear him yelling at one point "I paid my tickets.. fucking this.. fucking that... " It sounds like he got into an argument with the person next to him, and she was immature and took it waaaay too far. To further this, he eventually tried sitting down when the bitch walked away - thus ending the confrontation.... nope! big dumbass was ready to rock, and he got clocked; hopefully a lesson learned - not too many more lessons that man can take lol.
P.S. By law, equal rights means men and woman have equal rights. Would you punish a female for defending herself? Would you punish a male for defending himself? I do not see where sex comes into play here???
also, the classic example used in CJ and law classes to demonstrate the differences between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter would be a man coming home and finding his wife in bed with another guy. If he kills the guy right then while angry, that is involuntary. If he leaves and then comes back and kills the guy, thats manslaughter (or murder depending).
Point is, the law DOES make allowances for the feelings of reasonable people.
Watching the video, most of the people actually look rather reasonable. Only the guy in the greenish tinted shirt is trying to move young guy out. All of the guys in white seem to be either keeping people away from the young guy, or trying to get other people off of him.
last, it seems mr. ramsay apparently does do martial arts as a hobby. I've heard he is a black belt in an unspecified art. The video is a pretty good demonstration of keeping your hands up in a confrontation. Many actual self defense arts, when not teaching outright combat, but how to approach situations do teach methods like this.
2 of my co-workers (or bosses really) do bujinkan taijutsu and this stuff is taught there at some point, security // LEO training tends to teach this stuff at some point, basically keeping your hands up in the centerline area without being in a confrontational stance so that you would be able to respond to or deliver aggression without appearing to be confrontational or escalating.
The guy handled the situation like a champ, props to him. If that were me, I would have left the stadium or hall (whatever) after the slap, and I would've stalked the bitch at the parking lot, and then jump on her and kick her ass. And as for the second part of the question, yes I would hit an ugly woman, but if this was some chick doing the slaps I would just laugh which would've probably pissed her off even more.
On September 05 2010 14:37 shadesofkarma wrote: If anyone's interested, heres one from some other angles that show more clearly what happened. + Show Spoiler +
if you listen closely near the end of the 1st one you can here the girl yell 'omg he hit me' right after she takes a swing at his head and he ducks+pushes her away. l o l nice
a girl would have to be really really fucking strong for me to hit her.. I basically wouldnt do it if I were capable of restraining her, and I think I virtually always would be.
That was a really akward video, the older couple assaulted a guy physicly after a verbal confrontation, got themselves owned by doing it and then the other members of the audience lashes out on the young guy for trying to defend himself.
On September 05 2010 23:45 Scaramanga wrote: I love that dude in the second video, "But you're the one that shit got jumped" I just hope that in the end that guy gets an apology from those two
yeah the guy filming the second video is awesome.. "HEY I GOT IT ON VIDEO! DONT WORRY GUY I GOT YOU MAN!"
On September 05 2010 19:08 pred470r wrote: The guy handled the situation like a champ, props to him. If that were me, I would have left the stadium or hall (whatever) after the slap, and I would've stalked the bitch at the parking lot, and then jump on her and kick her ass. And as for the second part of the question, yes I would hit an ugly woman, but if this was some chick doing the slaps I would just laugh which would've probably pissed her off even more.
Yeah thats totally not psychopathic behavior or anything displayed by you at all nope not at all
Escalating violence is not self-defense. If somebody slaps you, or even punches you, you don't simply hit them back to teach them a lesson: you either use intense violence to subdue them if necessary, or if they aren't actually a threat (which is more likely), you take the high ground.
On September 06 2010 06:00 HunterX11 wrote: Escalating violence is not self-defense. If somebody slaps you, or even punches you, you don't simply hit them back to teach them a lesson: you either use intense violence to subdue them if necessary, or if they aren't actually a threat (which is more likely), you take the high ground.
I was hoping he was gonna slap the crap out of both the old man and that annoying bitch. -_- And then faceroll all the fat "knights in shining armor" kind of guys that just had to interfere.
OT: depends on the circumstances, but if she was an annoying old tart like the woman in the clip I might be very very tempted knock her lights out and do so. I'd also have no moral problem with owning the old guy, people like that just make my blood boil.
On September 04 2010 03:05 Sadist wrote:Also captain save-a-hoes like in the video who feel like they need to come to a womans defense or something are part of the problem too. You people are enablers in all of this.
I have nothing but black feelings and actions for captain saves-a-hoes. you'd better hope you're way stronger, faster, or better than me or else you're getting fucked up to the best of my ability. This is a case where I will hit a woman as indiscriminately as a man, if she's white-knighting.
actually one time in a situation like this I threw this chick out an open window (first floor of course). it was satisfying
Totally depends on circumstances as shitty as that sounds. At a place where there are drunk guys around doesn't even matter if it was deserved they will kick your ass for hitting a women. Like even if she had a knife and tried to stab you, some fucktard didn't see it and wants to be a hero.
In general I wouldn't hit a women unless she was actually trying to kill me (although not just literally, but like trying to make me hurt or beat me badly). I would just grab her and hold her/subdue her or push/throw her to the ground.
If a girl just slapped me, i'd most likely just take it. But there have been times in my life where, vs both men and women, i have just 'seen red' and lost control. Instincts just take over instantly with the adrenaline shot and I feel bad after the fact.
I see nothing wrong with hitting someone back with equal force on principle but someone who is naturally violent is probably not going to be fair and let you have the last hit 8) that and of course law/society has castrated men to not lay a finger on a woman even though women seem resort to violence much quicker now a days
All that said I've always been the one to walk away even in situations where the other person has hurt me or could of seriously injured me and I had to ability to do so much worse back to them.
I have in the past, I would probably let it happen again. I don't think I would take it from all women in all situations, but in a huge crowd like that I think I could definitely let it slide.
Bitches be crazy man. But seriously as most people have stated I would just restrain her and hold her up. I think girls act more brave because they know that most guys won't hit them back.
That was sad, I would of hit her just because of reflexes when someone comes to my face I end up going back at them. I thought he did good just taking it. But then she kept going and when he goes to sit back down the old guy comes up and hits him wtf? And the idiots yelling get him outta here from what I can tell he was doing nothing and didn't place his hand on anyone until the old guy slapped him. I hope he didn't get evicted or anything cause he was doing nothing
Ignoring the video (I think the old couple's at fault):
I would hit a woman if she slapped me. After the 1st slap she would get one warning "never do that again, or I'll hit you". If she doesnt care - she know what's coming for her.
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)..... The boyfriend of a friend of mine wanted to fight me one time when he was drunk..... I am bigger than him by at least 100 lbs (45 lbs), and by a good foot (30 cm) in height..... Of course I didn't fight him..... He thought he would lose too, but the reason he wanted to fight was "for the rush"..... He thanked me the next time I saw him.....![[image loading]](http://www.gifbin.com/bin/122009/1260864788_jersey_shore_snooki_punch.gif)
