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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
August 17 2010 22:36 GMT
#1
Was going to post this on either the BW or SC2 tourney page but didn't really think it'd fit there.

Basically, we're seeing an awful lot of tournaments popping up in SC2, and while we've got the big ones coming up (the GOM thing in Korea, that cologne tourney that idra/artosis have flown over for), I'm thinking more in terms of smaller events. Why does it seem that most tournaments just divide the entire prize pool in terms of just results?

If we look at something like the UFC, which, like e-sports, is relatively young and still in the stage of learning how to try to gain recognition as a serious sport, for each of their events they have special prizes for things like fight of the night, knockout/submission of the night, which for most events have a prize fund that is far in excess of what anyone on the undercard will get for actually winning, and is comparable to anything that someone who isn't headlining will win. Some chess tournaments have small prizes for the outstanding game, best novelty etc.

So why isn't it the same in Starcraft 2? Look at the upcoming Cologne event. Would it really be that hard to split off $750 from the prize pool and give $250 each to the players in the game of the tournament, and $250 to someone with, say, the most innovative strategy?

The point I'm trying to make is that if e-sports is wanting to become more mainstream, it needs to become viewer friendly, and I think that the structure of payouts ought to at least try to encourage players to do something out of the ordinary and entertain. If I'm spending my time watching an event, I want to be entertained, and I don't know if it's just me, but watching players just execute orthodox strategies really well, while it's technically excellent, isn't that interesting.

If I look at the current power rankings, I think I can see maybe two or three players that I would go out of my way to watch because they actually play INTERESTING Starcraft. I like Effort because he's often really aggressive, I like free because he'll occasionally do random bm stuff. But for the most part, everyone else on there just relies on very solid execution of mundane play, and while it'll get you wins, and is good to watch just for technical quality, I'd rather watch Leta do some two port wraith shit, Zero throw about some queens, Horang2 being Horang2, Kwanro just going all-in all the time, Hiya pulling some sort of 3-port nuke thing out of nowhere.

Tell me that I'm not the only one that, if you set aside a few dollars in tournaments to allow people to be creative, thinks that it'd make for a better spectacle. Maybe, if someone who might not have a chance to win a tournament tries something that they wouldn't otherwise do and it works, it can help develop what's still a young game more quickly.

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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
August 17 2010 22:59 GMT
#2
In the UFC, do these smaller purses really encourage awesome knockouts and alternate approaches? I mean, who is going into fight night altering their fight strategy based on these prizes? Is someone thinking 'I wasn't going to go for a submission but now...'?

I don't follow the UFC closely so its possible that I am missing something but it seems unlikely.

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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
August 18 2010 00:32 GMT
#3
I don't really follow UFC either, but do they really do that? Would fighters really try to please the crowd when it could get them kneed? I remember a thread by a guy who lost a match in General and he was talking about a concussion and broken bones or something like that. I definitely wouldn't mess around with an UFC match.
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
August 18 2010 00:39 GMT
#4
ITL Grand Prix did this by giving a Handsome Nerd T-shirt to the players of the most entertaining series. Which is fitting, since ITL is run in the same fashion as UFC. I could swear I recently read another tournament promising some cash for the "pimpest play" but search results are yielding nothing.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137737:
"Best Overall Series: 2 Handsome Nerd T-Shirts of choice (One to Winner, One to Loser)"
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
August 18 2010 00:45 GMT
#5
What happens when theres a player who's like "well i cant win this tournament so i'll just do a retarded build and hope i score a little cash". Sure it might be kinda funny seeing kal doing a dark archon maelstrom drop or some bullshit the first time, but i'd rather watch players trying to win rather than do kooky shit
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huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
August 18 2010 00:51 GMT
#6
Why can't people who aren't going to win the tournament be creative now? I mean they have nothing to lose, but apparently they aren't already. Hopefully a $250 prize wouldn't influence anyone invited to a tournament with a $5k 1st prize and $300 for last place to do anything that they wouldn't do just trying to win like normal. And I don't think it's good for the game to have people doing strategies they know are bad just to try to win an extra prize.

Also, if watching Flash and Jaedong (who, as an aside, I think are more innovative than everyone you listed) isn't going to be viewer friendly, I don't think ESPORTS has a chance no matter what prizes you offer.
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