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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 22 2010 05:54 GMT
#1
...to the community? A great deal.

I understand that many of you fear that SC2 will lead to Brood War's death. I cannot say whether or not this is the case, but if it is, then I agree that it is very sad indeed. However, I truly believe that SC2 has brought the community together far more than it has torn it apart. For one, the Brood War veterans share a bond of hardship and respect. We have stuck with a decade old game through thick and thin. We've watched the growth of legends, and we've seen history unfold before our very eyes. If nothing else, SC2 only solidifies our memories - of the endless hours grinding on iCCup or PGTour, of the countless nights spent watching crazy foreign commentators jabber restlessly about our favorite players and teams, just to bear witness to those few life changing moments where something truly amazing happens.

Second, people from all sorts of different gaming backgrounds have gathered here at TL to learn more about our beloved game. Sure, some of them may have brought snobby and disdainful attitudes. But I can honestly say that a great majority have come to learn, and to try to fully appreciate the game we know and love. I don't think any one of them would dare argue that Boxer or Nada or Flash or Jaedong isn't great. People come to Teamliquid because they are curious about Starcraft, and TL is the best goddamn place to learn about it. And given the immense increase in activity on these forums, I can say with confidence that now, there are a hell of a lot more people who love Starcraft just as much as we do, who might not have found out about it otherwise.

Third, yes Teamliquid was a close, tight-knit community that's turning "mainstream." But just look at the Starcraft 2 Tournaments section. Already, there have been multiple tournaments that have boasted well over $1000 prize pools, featuring 64 or even 128 participants. And all in the span of a mere 5 months. This already far eclipses anything that's happened for Brood War, and the actual game still hasn't been released. With SC2, we get a real chance at something we've always been hoping for: to turn Starcraft into a legitimate international eSport. In beta's short lifespan, we've created a community that's not just going to sit on the sidelines reporting results from a country halfway across the world. Thanks to people like Day[9], other popular commentators, the TL mods, and most importantly, the community, we're going to be a part of something truly phenomenal. I, for one, am really looking forward to the future.

****
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
July 22 2010 05:55 GMT
#2
I will have to move on one day.
And embrace SCII.
But long live BW.
Perhaps I can play both :<
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3787 Posts
July 22 2010 05:56 GMT
#3
I can't embrace the future. My computer sucks too much for me to do so.
darkness overpowering
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 06:01:56
July 22 2010 05:58 GMT
#4
Is this more of a response to Misrah's thread of SC2HS or not?


edit: ok then.... overall good job. U just forgot one tiny part....

What have u done to battle.net?!?
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 22 2010 06:00 GMT
#5
On July 22 2010 14:58 3FFA wrote:
Is this more of a response to Misrah's thread of SC2HS or not?

Yes.
FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
July 22 2010 06:04 GMT
#6
well said Saracen.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
July 22 2010 06:05 GMT
#7
Dear Dan,

You're really awesome. And smart. And a ridiculous writer.

From,
Nick
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
July 22 2010 06:13 GMT
#8
Saracen, we need to get together on release day and practice ZvP. Plexa has this sick awesome blink stalker timing attack(sentries/zealots added dependig on Z's army composition) that I have no idea once how to counter D: Once the game is released I demand we spend quality time together to devise plans on how to defeat this new threat.


Also awesome article
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 22 2010 06:14 GMT
#9
The most annoying thing about the SC2/BW conflict is even if the BW people are right and SC2 is garbage that's not going to change anything. SC2 is still going to become the main game by virtue of shininess; just look at Brawl or SF4. Yes all the arguments that "you can't compare 10 years of BW to a game that's not even released yet" and "we don't even have all the expansion packs" are valid, but the people making them seem to forget that those are just reasons why we can't tell if SC2 is on the same level as BW as an esport, and not reasons why SC2 actually is on the same level as BW.
brood war for life, brood war forever
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
July 22 2010 06:15 GMT
#10
If only we could play on multiple servers on release....
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
July 22 2010 06:15 GMT
#11
On July 22 2010 14:55 flamewheel wrote:
I will have to move on one day.
And embrace SCII.
But long live BW.
Perhaps I can play both :<

^ This.

Saracen, you make a good point and I like the way the community's going too, I just wish this happened with BW.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 22 2010 06:15 GMT
#12
*Knock knock*

New generation here
lalala
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3457 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 06:16:34
July 22 2010 06:16 GMT
#13
I wont give up 1.
But yeah, 2 will take over.
At least for most folks.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
AeonStrife
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States918 Posts
July 22 2010 06:16 GMT
#14
What do I expect Starcraft 2 to bring that Brood War did for so many of us...

The joy of playing it, and as well of watching it as entertainment. The kind of joy that gives you the little girl giggle when you watch it. Such as the video below...

Whats worse...US Poltics or SC2 Balance Talks...
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
July 22 2010 06:18 GMT
#15
I am slowly becoming a believer
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 22 2010 06:23 GMT
#16
Thanks, Nick. Now back to work!

On July 22 2010 15:13 Monokeros wrote:
Saracen, we need to get together on release day and practice ZvP. Plexa has this sick awesome blink stalker timing attack(sentries/zealots added dependig on Z's army composition) that I have no idea once how to counter D: Once the game is released I demand we spend quality time together to devise plans on how to defeat this new threat.


Also awesome article

Did he improve it any in the last two days of the Beta? Because it got countered pretty handily before that

On July 22 2010 15:14 Crunchums wrote:
The most annoying thing about the SC2/BW conflict is even if the BW people are right and SC2 is garbage that's not going to change anything. SC2 is still going to become the main game by virtue of shininess; just look at Brawl or SF4. Yes all the arguments that "you can't compare 10 years of BW to a game that's not even released yet" and "we don't even have all the expansion packs" are valid, but the people making them seem to forget that those are just reasons why we can't tell if SC2 is on the same level as BW as an esport, and not reasons why SC2 actually is on the same level as BW.

I agree. To all of the people who use those arguments, I think it's a really lazy attitude to take. Like, you can sit back and hope that maybe SC2 will be something great. And if not, then whatever, back to WoW or DotA. But then there are people who NEED SC2 to be great, who actively push to make it better, and who do amazing things for the community. We don't know if SC2 is going to be as perfect as BW, which is exactly what these people are saying. "Oh, maybe it will be as awesome as BW in 10 years, and maybe it won't." But in the end, it's the community that holds the game together and keeps it alive through the decades. An active community, not a passive one.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 22 2010 06:31 GMT
#17
I took 2 sides at once I hide tiny "BW> SCII" stuff in my advice which is used to make it BW=SCII. I personally just want people to make them equal in awesomeness but not have one be considered better than the other.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
July 22 2010 07:11 GMT
#18
this is a very nice post...as usual Saracen. i seriously cannot wait to see what is to happen in the future! i feel like things are looking pretty good.
as for contributing...I am challenging to beat in sc2 YEAH -_-
i played u once but i lost so bad =P
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
July 22 2010 07:15 GMT
#19
5/5 Homie!
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
July 22 2010 07:41 GMT
#20
On July 22 2010 15:05 Pokebunny wrote:
Dear Dan,

You're really awesome. And smart. And a ridiculous writer.

From,
Nick


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