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so i'm like 10 rank platinum (terran in sc2) which is really dumb because i was D+ in sc1 as protoss (probably could have grinded to c- if hbr was motw). It makes me feel like I am just the opposite of talent when it comes to RTS games, and my only meager success is due to the sheer amount of games i was playing.
However, I feel a little knowledgeable on theory and stuff about the game, so I was pretty confused why I suck so much.
The conclusion i've arrived at is that I do not macro. I do not know how to spend my money. For a while, i believed this was caused by the difference in macro mechanics between sc1 toss and sc2 terran. I cant just build gateways anymore, some thought must be put into which addon and which structure to build.
however, this is not the most difficult thing to learn, so i don't believe that this should cause me trouble after a few games.
What i've come to realize is that MBS has made my macro worse. In sc1, you are constantly looking in your own base, so it is intensely obvious how many gateways you have. after clicking through and building units, if i still have money, build more gateways. However, in sc2, i never look in my own base. I build units out of muscle memory (4ss 5ddd 6aaaaa) and I'm constantly spending my screentime on my units, on expos, or on scouting. Because of this, I do not notice my factory count, or really pay attention to the amount of money I have.
So i've gotten a couple realizations and i wanted to share them. But does it really take a year to hit D+? should someone who was d+ in bw be anything but diamond in sc2?
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I'm not too sure why you think that if you were D+ in BW you should be diamond in SC2. There are a lot of good players in sc2 who are well beyond D+, those are the players playing diamond 
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How long it takes you to hit D+ heavily depends on the individual.
If Phase 1 is anything comparable with Phase 2, I hit C- one season with Protoss when I was actually playing regularly and I got to Diamond pretty easily. I'm assuming platinum is really easy as well.
I guess it depends on your strengths. In BW, I was always a mechanics whore (I'd like to think that I had pretty decent macro/micro/multi-tasking). I think they transferred over nicely to SC2 as I don't have anything problems playing (as in I feel comfortable playing all three races).
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I think you're vastly overrating talent and vastly underrating grinding games. Nobody got to the top by not playing.
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try getting to c+ then ladder on sc2
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On July 20 2010 04:16 H wrote:
I think you're vastly overrating talent and vastly underrating grinding games. Nobody got to the top by not playing.
but all i do is grind games. i had about 150-200 games on iccup per season, and i had 250 games phase one (50 wins as toss, then 50 as random, then 50 as terran; portraits ftw) and 75/100 games in sc2 phase 2.
On July 20 2010 04:15 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:I'm not too sure why you think that if you were D+ in BW you should be diamond in SC2. There are a lot of good players in sc2 who are well beyond D+, those are the players playing diamond
All the BW veterans talk about their d- friends being rank1 platinum, so i guess i was going by that. Also, I've never really found anything in my life particularly challenging. It's very upsetting to my narcissistic worldview that i would try hard at something and still be terrible.
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On July 20 2010 04:22 derpaderp wrote:
All the BW veterans talk about their d- friends being rank1 platinum, so i guess i was going by that. Also, I've never really found anything in my life particularly challenging. It's very upsetting to my narcissistic worldview that i would try hard at something and still be terrible.
Really? SC2 is the most challenging thing you've ever tried? Well then keep at it, sounds like you're building character.
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On July 20 2010 04:15 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:I'm not too sure why you think that if you were D+ in BW you should be diamond in SC2. There are a lot of good players in sc2 who are well beyond D+, those are the players playing diamond
Yeah but those who were well beyond D+ they arent just barely in diamond. Obviously they are diamond too but those people usualy have high ass ratings.
Personally I do think that D+ players should be able to get to diamond without much of a problem.
Have you properly tried the two other races? I was a d+ player too and was random at the start, wasnt able to keep up at platinum (= the old diamond) until I switched to the race I was best at (toss).
Maybe Zerg/Protoss fits you better/lets you macro better. Í personally definitely think that Protoss macro is easier.
Maybe you just dont analyse your play enough. Make sure to keep watching your own replays, and to look what you should have done differently
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you need to remember that sc2 brought 7603460 beginners that has no experience from rts/starcraft before. so it's pretty easy to go plat with minimal amount of multitask and knowledge.
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try watching day9 dailies. that guy is the god for teaching new players. also incontrol is quite smart at teaching at gosucoaching.com try him. he taught qxc
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What race do you play? I'm hoping you say Zerg, then I can tell you to switch to and easy race like terran or protoss
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Play all 3 races. I find Terran to be ridiculously difficult and the other two are ezpzmode.
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On July 20 2010 04:22 derpaderp wrote:
but all i do is grind games. i had about 150-200 games on iccup per season, and i had 250 games phase one (50 wins as toss, then 50 as random, then 50 as terran; portraits ftw) and 75/100 games in sc2 phase 2.
150-200 games a season is basically nothing if you want to improve greatly, I use to play more than 600 games a season. Now I just play like 50-100 just to keep my mechanics in decent shape.
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wait till the game is out for about 6 months, then ull be sad ur in the silver ranks (unless u improve. but judging at the amount of games ur playing sounds like ur as good as ur gunna get lol)
but i got a couple friends who didnt play bw at all but ums every now and then and they r plat
it also depends WHY ur 'low rank' in bw
- ur slow bad micro/macro
- u dont really know builds
- flawed or no game logic
if someone is quick and fairly smart they will pick up a new game like sc2 and dominate. but in a few months when the others catch on to popular builds from vods ect these players will fall in the ladder most likely.
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On July 20 2010 04:34 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 04:22 derpaderp wrote:
All the BW veterans talk about their d- friends being rank1 platinum, so i guess i was going by that. Also, I've never really found anything in my life particularly challenging. It's very upsetting to my narcissistic worldview that i would try hard at something and still be terrible. Really? SC2 is the most challenging thing you've ever tried? Well then keep at it, sounds like you're building character.
what i wrote there was pretty tongue in cheek, but I'm not going to recant what i said. However, you misinterpret me a little bit. Sc2 is not the hardest thing i've ever done, it is the thing i've seen the least amount of improvement when compared to my efforts.
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lol? Secret D+ iccup brag. Nothing to be proud of son, especially after 200 games.
Keep practicing, watch your replays, not the battles, but your other fundamentals
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On July 20 2010 04:15 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:I'm not too sure why you think that if you were D+ in BW you should be diamond in SC2. There are a lot of good players in sc2 who are well beyond D+, those are the players playing diamond
Not really because I am D on ICCUP and #4 in my division. and 2 of the top 5 on the US Server are in my division. So BW rank doesn't make a difference I guess...
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I always go for 3 gates per base, so I never need to decide to put up more gates. As for macroing, all your warpgates are automatically hotkeyed to W, so when you press W, it displays exactly how many gates you have and which ones are ready.
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herpaderp I mean derpaderp you should not be sad just because you're not in a certain league. Just hope that your situation is similar to KawaiiRice's in that you are actually an awesome player -it's just that SCII's placement system is messed up.
jk
Don't take it too seriously... not everything from SC1 translates well into SC2, especially your rank as a Protoss player on ICCUP...
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On July 20 2010 05:26 Chairman Ray wrote:
I always go for 3 gates per base, so I never need to decide to put up more gates. As for macroing, all your warpgates are automatically hotkeyed to W, so when you press W, it displays exactly how many gates you have and which ones are ready.
which is the reason i'm switching back to toss if i cant l2non-easymode macro
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dude with MBS you can see how many production buildings u have with in the wireframes... just look there when you press W or the hotkey for your production facilites. If you were D+ in BW you should definitely hit diamond...I was only a low D BW player and I'm in diamond! I just have bad mechanics... which matters less in SC2 ^^
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im going to assume with a name like derpaderp ur MINDLESSLY grinding games and not actually realizing why ur winning or losing your games. pro/anyone decent, talk about games afterward to see what they are doing right and wrong. if u play 200+ games every iccup season and still end up in D+ UR DOING IT WRONG
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On July 20 2010 06:04 Entertaining wrote:
im going to assume with a name like derpaderp ur MINDLESSLY grinding games and not actually realizing why ur winning or losing your games. pro/anyone decent, talk about games afterward to see what they are doing right and wrong. if u play 200+ games every iccup season and still end up in D+ UR DOING IT WRONG
thats pretty good advice, but was the hostility necessary? WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE THIS 
Anyways, i dont have friends that are good at starcraft. I guess I could have posted reps in the strat forum, but I feel like i should deal with everything i can fix myself before turning to that. Is that a wrong mindset?
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On July 20 2010 06:24 derpaderp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 06:04 Entertaining wrote:
im going to assume with a name like derpaderp ur MINDLESSLY grinding games and not actually realizing why ur winning or losing your games. pro/anyone decent, talk about games afterward to see what they are doing right and wrong. if u play 200+ games every iccup season and still end up in D+ UR DOING IT WRONG thats pretty good advice, but was the hostility necessary? WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE THIS Anyways, i dont have friends that are good at starcraft. I guess I could have posted reps in the strat forum, but I feel like i should deal with everything i can fix myself before turning to that. Is that a wrong mindset?
Its not that bad mindset if you're understanding correctly what you need to fix. Now just go and fix it ^^
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On July 20 2010 04:57 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 04:22 derpaderp wrote:
but all i do is grind games. i had about 150-200 games on iccup per season, and i had 250 games phase one (50 wins as toss, then 50 as random, then 50 as terran; portraits ftw) and 75/100 games in sc2 phase 2. 150-200 games a season is basically nothing if you want to improve greatly, I use to play more than 600 games a season. Now I just play like 50-100 just to keep my mechanics in decent shape.
that really depends on how good you wanna get.
If your aim is diamond then I say 150-200 is already a whole lot.
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my goal is to improve, to look back and say, "yeah, i improved!"
also, to stomp the Epeens of casuals who think they know whats up. cause i read forums man, cause i read forums.
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