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supernova
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada148 Posts
July 11 2010 22:02 GMT
#1
While the biggest sports news stories over the week may have been LeBron backstabbing Cleveland in the grandest way possible and Spain finally winning the World Cup (of soccer), as avid follower of proffessional StarCraft, the big story for me is that in 5 short days, the 2010 Proleague playoffs will start. It is the last push over the course of these 5 days that will determine who will play who and what team will come out on top.


Starting on July 18th, the Proleague playoffs will begin with the 3rd place team taking on the 6th place team. Before we jump into the poll, let's look at the standings as of July 11th:

KT
STX
MBC
SKT
CJ
FOX
STARS
OZ
KHAN
eSTRO
Hite
ACE



Of course not all teams can make the playoffs. ACE, Hite, eSTO, KHAN, OZ and Stars can't make it in which is kind of a bummer. It would have been nice to see some of the games being played next week to have been for final playoff positions. I would have loved to see some of these teams pull out all the stops to make it into the playoffs and make it to the final. Oh well.

Now I don't know exactly how the tie-breaker works in the Proleague but there are possibilities for three different sets of tie-breaks. Let's look at both of them:

SKT plays a slumping STX this week. SKT will likely send out their big guns so that can move into a tie with MBC for third place. To acheive this, they have to hope that OZ beats MBC and they have to win against STX which seems to be fairly easy as STX has lost 8 of their last 10 games. There could be a completely different tie-break scenario if MBC wins and SKT win as MBC will move into a tie for 2nd overall. IF this scenario does happen, I believe that MBC will overtake STX for 2nd while STX will drop to 3rd and play on July 18th.

FOX will be looking to perhaps leapfrog CJ (but again, I don't know how the tie-break system works so correct me if I'm wrong ) when they play KHAN this week. KHAN sits in 9th place but still have some very good players (Stork anyone?) so they will be looking to perhaps deny FOX from moving up in the standings. If KHAN wins, FOX stays at 6th. If FOX wins, I believe they will leapfrog CJ and will finish in 5th.

Hite vs KT shouldn't really be exciting. Sure, both teams have good players (fingers crossed for a Flash vs Leta match) but they're really isn't any impact on the standings. KT has the league won by a mile and a half thanks to STX totally losing their composure and Hite is in second last.

But, as always, I want to know what the TeamLiquid community thinks. Who will win the Proleauge. Certainly KT has a huge advantage as they get to sit back and watch as other teams to scrap and claw their way up to the finals. Will they win? Or maybe it will be a team like SKT who have won the league 3 times? Perhaps it will be MBC. They have won it all before. It could be any team that finishes in the top six. Crunch time. Are you ready... for some StarCraft?

Poll: Who will win the 2010 Shinhan Bank Proleague

SKT (23)
 
35%

KT Rolster (16)
 
25%

CJ Entus (10)
 
15%

STX Soul (7)
 
11%

MBCGame Hero (5)
 
8%

WeMade FOX (4)
 
6%

65 total votes

Your vote: Who will win the 2010 Shinhan Bank Proleague

(Vote): KT Rolster
(Vote): STX Soul
(Vote): MBCGame Hero
(Vote): SKT
(Vote): CJ Entus
(Vote): WeMade FOX



"And we played the first thing that came to our heads and it just so happened to be, it was the best song in the world, the best song in the world!" Tenacious D
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-11 22:09:16
July 11 2010 22:08 GMT
#2
Tie-breakers are determined via Win:lose game differentials.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 11 2010 22:08 GMT
#3
I think SKT/STX/KT all have a good shot at the title...

KT (as in, Flash) hasn't been performing as well as they did in the first few rounds, but is still very strong. SKT seems pretty well prepared with their zerg lineup looking decent and Bisu returning from his slump, and STX is just doing good o_o
:)
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
July 11 2010 22:12 GMT
#4
Predictions: KT/STX wins playoffs
SKT wins poll
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
July 11 2010 22:18 GMT
#5
I feel KT is still very dependent on Flash, who has looked very vulnerable in R5. However i still think KT has the best chance only because they're automatically in the Finals (You could argue that not playing live matches for a while can cause some rust but i don't think this is the case for most progamers).

Next I have MBC because they have 2 pretty consistent ACES in Light and Sea. Then SKT, STX, and CJ.
Jaedong :D
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
July 11 2010 22:21 GMT
#6
SKT better win, with Flash going 0-x. It would only be appropriate, since SKT has 3 people in the Ro16. Bisu must resurge!
supernova
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada148 Posts
July 11 2010 22:51 GMT
#7
On July 12 2010 07:08 bearbuddy wrote:
Tie-breakers are determined via Win:lose game differentials.


Thank you very much. I thought it might be set difference but, again, thanks for clarification.
"And we played the first thing that came to our heads and it just so happened to be, it was the best song in the world, the best song in the world!" Tenacious D
serenidite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)505 Posts
July 11 2010 23:24 GMT
#8
as much as i wanna say KT will win.. im not so sure
aha. i love how STX is seeded 2nd :/ they're done for
" Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway."
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
July 11 2010 23:32 GMT
#9
On July 12 2010 07:18 Neverhood wrote:
I feel KT is still very dependent on Flash, who has looked very vulnerable in R5.

This

Well, this was the tactic used in Winnersleague, worked out, and then KT started abusing Flash during Proleague matches.

Comes round 5? He gets wrecked in Ace matches during PL.
ppp
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 11 2010 23:33 GMT
#10
Why do all the other teams other than SK Telecom T1 get their full team names spelled out?

Biased OP IMO
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 12 2010 00:31 GMT
#11
I love SKT1 but Bisu isn't in full shape currently. No idea where Canata is and Best isn't astounding.
Hyuk is still pretty inconsistent and Fantasy is playing well. That's not a recipe for success but we'll see how it goes.

CJ is my pick for the championship. They have such a beastly lineup and have the weapons to take down Flash when necessary. First in line is Effort who recently showed the how to on dismantling Flash. Next up is the TvT ace skyhigh who recently took on Flash straight up in a long drawn out game. Lastly is Snow who, given the right circumstances, can beat Flash head on. THREE yes 3 fully capable players that can beat Flash and one from each race. Not only does CJ sport these beastly players but they still have movie, iris, and hydra for depth. The only team that can contend with that level of depth is STX but their ace players aren't all that strong atm.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
July 12 2010 00:54 GMT
#12
On July 12 2010 08:33 TheYango wrote:
Why do all the other teams other than SK Telecom T1 get their full team names spelled out?

Biased OP IMO

No, SKT is special in the list cause it's the only one without the full name... aka they're going to win =)
ppp
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
July 12 2010 00:54 GMT
#13
skt always looks good on paper and when they are on fire they are the best team as a team..
the zergs have been stepping up their game, with a rising bisu, a well playing fantasy and a not so good best.. Hyuk will define a lot against many teams as when he is on fire he can deliver crazy stuff.. and remember Fantasy won very nice last year against a crazy jaedong.. and he has beaten flash...so the Brain child of boxer and oov will show his tricks..
in The Kong line forever
onewingedmoogle
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada434 Posts
July 12 2010 01:02 GMT
#14
once it becomes a best of 7 and the emperor steps out, its gonna be gg :D
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 01:35:06
July 12 2010 01:34 GMT
#15
"I feel KT is still very dependent on Flash, who has looked very vulnerable in R5."

Flash fanboyism up?

I'm not even a KT fan but it seems like those are the only people who look at the depth that KT *** DOES**** have.

anyway, Stats and Violet are VERY solid Protosses, and even motherfucking Tempest (fuck yeah!) has won almost all his games in R5 and is good at PvP and PvZ.

KT lacks any good zergs after Park the Cheater, Sr. left, i admit, but Hoejja is still (viable). I wouldn't say that he is any worse than HyuN, who, albeit bad, is considered a viable A-teamer for MBC.

ForGG is a solid terran, has a good playstyle for beating people better than himself, just needs to stop that fucking goliath build vs Z lol and hes all good.

KT is much more than just flash.

To summarize, I would say that ForGG, Violet, and Stats are very solid A-teamers that can beat anyone in any given game (non-S), and beat most other solid A-teamers more than 50% of the time. Hoejja and Tempest are slightly viable but only for specific purposes. This is a LOT better depth than what you could say for MBC and Oz, although CJ and STX(non-badSTX that is) have more depth. I would say that SKT has just A LITTLE MORE depth as KT, not way more, since BeSt is in a slump and even when hes not slumping, he's on and off. Bisu is doing well again, their Zerg lineup has become very deep all of a sudden with 3 viable snipers/specific use players (i wouldnt say that the skt zergs are reliable for just a solid z against a race you can't predict, even though they are doing very well when they are sent out), and of course they have Fantasy. Canata isn't a bad player but he can't win, neither can any other SKT terrans be really relied upon. So Depth ranking would be like:

CJ
STX
KT tied with SKT, SKT little higher but the zergs are all ZvZ specialists and only Hyuk has playoff caliber ZvP (although soo and s2 have decent zvp its not top level)
Oz
MBC (Justification: sorry hyun and jaehoon, you suck balls. well jaehoon ur practice bonjwa but yeah...when Pusan has to step up to be MBC's main protoss (yes he isn't bad but still) things aren't looking up. actually, MBC has potential with Han and Pusan for P lineup but it hasn't been anything spectacular resultwise so far.)


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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 12 2010 01:45 GMT
#16
I think STX's depth is highly overrated, since they all decide to fail in the end and they can never get their shit together when it really counts.

And seriously, Oz should be on the bottom of the depth list. Without Jaedong, they only have two half-decent players and I have the strongest suspicion that they'd be worse than ACE if it were not for Jaedong to save their asses. The only other team I can think of severely lacking in depth is Hite, but that's only because they were crippled by the match-fixing scandal.
Writerptrk
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 12 2010 01:48 GMT
#17
ROFL you guys seriously think STX or KT would win?
STX has what. their best players atm are (T)CuteAngel, (Z)hero and (P)Shuttle and they aren't really doing so well.
(T)CuteAngel has played 13 TvZs in a row (7-6 record)
his last game vs terran was in March and he lost to (T)fOrGG and his last TvP was a win vs (P)Tempest in the first Korean Air OSL.
(Z)hero has entered the MSL 2-1 but his PL record since June is 1-4. Hey! he lost less games than (Z)Calm(1-6). but (Z)hero has a tendency to create upsets.
(P)Shuttle.. is 1-4 in PL. and hes been eliminated from both SLs. Eh.. (P)Kal is probably better than him but (P)Kal isnt showing usual performance as of late.
Hes doing superb in the SLs but he went 2-9 since June. what the fuck? care for your team man.
In the Playoffs theyre going to need lucky wins and use their sniper well. ((Z)Modesty) but then again, Most of the players in STX are actually decent vs Zerg.
(T)Bogus will probably sent out multiple times to play their sacrificial matches of the playoffs unless he plays Zerg. Hes pretty good vs Zerg but sucks dick at TvT and TvP (Have you seen him play?)
Next is KT. The #1 team of the playoffs and i think the worst team of R5? idk about that but they did terribly. (T)Flash has the consistency of an A class player and seems to be dropping his SuperS class reign. His team is rather notable in the last couple PL matches. The protosses of KT are winning a lot. (P)Stats went 7-4 and (P)Tempest began to win games. (P)Violet needs to step up because apparently, hes BETTER than (P)Stats and (P)Tempest. Get your shit together. The KT Zerg are.. very very very very very very very very not good. (Z)HoeJJa who gets nervous in grand stages would lose his game in the playoff even though he did better than before going 2-2 opposed to his 3-10 before June. (Z)GatoradeZerg and (Z)Independence Day can only win ZvZs. watch them play ZvP or ZvT and you will hurl.
(T)fOrGG. I almost forgot but hes one of those Fortress Snipers. he made the MSL, dropped out of the OSL and went 3-1 in PL with all the 3 wins on Fortress since June. I expect him to come out on Fortress over anyone else.
GL Protosses, (T)Flash and (T)fOrGG

FOX is slumping and MBC has (T)Sea and a (T)Light on fire.
FOX's ace has gone on a wrecking spree and all of a sudden, (Z)Jaedong just destroys him and he started to slump by going 1-3 in PL and was ELIMINATED from both SLs. Serious disappointment to many. The funniest thing is, (Z)RorO is better than (T)BaBy if you compare ELO but I know for a fact that (Z)RorO is bad. (Z)RorO went 2-6 in PL since June. double (T)BaBy's PL performance and you get (Z)RorO. but also, (Z)RorO made the MSL. (T)BaBy didnt. whats going on?
(T)Midas went 2-3 in PL and made the MSL. Its hard to tell if hes going to be a major factor in the Playoffs or if hes just gonna lose majority of his games.
(P)Pure. hes actually doing good because his focus on the SLs are nonexistent atm because hes already seeded into the Ro16 of the OSL and is eliminated from the MSL. hes also 3-1 since June which is nice because before that, ... lol.
ah. FOX's very own (P)Bisu (Z)Killer. the Typhoon Zerg. the guy with lots of hate that should have been gone by now. (Z)Shine is like Plexa said in the June PR, is a Judgement Day Specialist. He is fucking 9-1 on that Map. For the PL since the start of June, hes 4-3 but was eliminated from the OSL by (T)HiyA. Hes going to play a big role in the playoffs and if FOX overtakes 5th place, i expect a battle of Judgement Day specialists ((Z)Shine vs (T)Fantasy who is 8-1).
I think FOX is gonna be ballsy during the playoffs and send out (T)Mind and (T)NaDa. ofc we cant tell if they'll win or lose because both of them are 2-1. You would expect them to lose but hey, you never know.
I think FOX can take down MBC though. They should lose today's match on purpose
Lets see.. MBC has (T)Sea and (T)Light.
(T)Sea made the Ro16 of the OSL. BLASPHEMY! Thats absurd. After his absence in PL in may, his record since June in PL is 4-3. Pretty good since one of his losses was to (P)Snow and the another was to (T)Leta.
(T)Light, another PL monster decided to lose to another underdog Protoss in the OSL but made the MSL Ro16 2-0. Like (T)Sea, he also went 4-3 beating the likes of (T)Flash and (Z)EffOrt. now that made me angry because im a (T)Light hater but, i have to say hes been impressive. But hes another choker when it comes to important matches.
remember the Winnersleague final? yea.. I expect the same to happen this time.
I thought (Z)HyuN would be more of help to MBC but after being eliminated from both SLs, ???? 0-3 wtf. what a streak (Z)HyuN. going 4-0 then 0-3.
If (P)Pusan is still in MBC during the playoffs, He will help them SOOOOOOO much. he went 4-0 since June.
(P)Tyson has had very little playing time but he will show up in the playoffs. He went 2-2 since June.
Sweatytoss went 1-2. He won against (T)sKyHigh, who has Terrible TvP.
He also didnt make any SL.
Last but not least, (Z)Saint. Hes 1-1 but he lost to (P)Anyppi. who is this guy???
hes KT's new Protoss. who? KT's new protoss. never heard of him? well many didnt..
He didnt make any SLs and is rather unsuccessful in the Dream league..
MBC comes 3rd imo to make the Finals but i doubt they will. Players other than (T)Sea and (T)Light NEEDS to step up.

The whole thing is between CJ and SKT
I might seem biased by hey, its true.
Although one might say (Z)EffOrt is slumping hard, his inconsistency in PL is similar to (Z)ZerO. he went 4-6 but made the MSL Ro16 without losing a single game. He is still known as CJ's ace so ofc we will be seeing him play a lot. even if he loses his game, he has a solid (T)Team behind him.
The other 2 of the CJ Trio, (P)Movie and (T)sKyHigh needs to step up a bit. (P)Movie is a Fortress Sniper going 4-1 on it. Hes in neither SLs so he can practice for the playoffs all he wants. His PL record since June is 3-3. Like most protosses, he needs to work on his PvZ. but he also needs to work on PvP. his PvP is terribad as his only loss on Fotress was to a Protoss.
(T)sKyHigh doesnt have that bad of a record going 4-3 but how many protosses did he beat out of all the protoss he played? 1-7. He definitely needs to work on his TvP. His TvZ is rather underrated although he lost to (Z)RorO twice in the MSL but who does (Z)RorO practice with?
Now theres (P)Snow. he went 6-3 in PL which is one of the better records we talked about. It seems hes going to be good in PL because he got eliminated from the SLs. He needs better PvZ and hes a solid player in the Playoffs.
(Z)Hydra seems to be going through the process as (Z)Shine did in the EVER OSL. He took down (P)Stats and (T)BaBy, 2 fan favorites and made the Ro16. Thats rather impressive but his PL performance needs to step up. hes 0-3 in PL since June. Hes (P)Snow's opposite.
Now (T)BByong. The 3rd member of the next CJ trio, played only 1 PL match and i tihnk he might play more. hes been successful like most of his CJ teammates in the D-league going 17-5.
(T)Iris, the veteran of the CJ team, has been winning like (T)NaDa. He went 3-1 in PL since June which is really good.
I dont expect this and many people dont but (T)Rush and (Z)MIsO can appear in the playoffs to fill the entry spots. (T)Rush went 10-7 and (Z)MIsO was with (P)Snow with the top D-league record for the first few weeks. Then he began to lose games so, his 6-1 in January became 12-7 now.
Me and QuickStriker agree that CJ and SKT at the grand finals is more epic than anything else.
Since (Z)MuMyung left the SKT coaching squad, the zergs got a lot better. just look at (Z)Hyuk and (Z)s2. wtf!? Them and (T)Fantasy were taking the place of (P)BeSt and (P)Bisu when they were slumping.
(Z)Hyuk went SL mode midway through June and went 0-4 after going 3-1. This sorta paid off because he made both Ro16. But whats awkward is, he lost 3 ZvZs to people who dont even play ZvZ well and won most of his ZvT and ZvPs.
(Z)s2 went from a scrub to SKT's top 5. he went 4-1 in PL but unfortunately, he was knocked out of the MSL by (T)Flash. In the PL, he won against the likes of (Z)The Dong and (T)Leta. crazy because both of them excels at vZ.
I mentioned earlier (T)Fantasy was a Judgement Day Specialist but hes also SKT's most consistent player. 9-1. motherfucking 9-1 since June in PL. He even made the OSL and his MSL is coming up so imagine the burden he carried. Now that (P)Bisu is back, he has his shoulder lightened.
(P)Bisu went 2-3 in the playoffs but his performance is shown in the Individual leagues where he didnt lose a single (T)Game. He easily has the best PvZ in the world atm breaking out of his MSL group 2-0 and taking down (Z)The Dong. His 2 wins in PL are PvZs and his 3 losses are PvP so he just needs better PvP.
(P)BeSt can only play PvT. he lost all his PvPs in PL and won 1 out of 5 PvZs but he did win all his PvTs. Hes playing too greedily in PvP and lost both times because he blindly took his natural vs (P)Violet and (P)Tyson.
No one else is notable in T1 because (T)Canata should retire because he lost his last 10 PL games and his title of Survivor King is put to shame He will be there to be a filler in the Playoffs. (P)SoO went 1-2 which is better than (T)Canata but he will also be a filler.

Phew. long long long.
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
July 12 2010 02:33 GMT
#18
On July 12 2010 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
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ROFL you guys seriously think STX or KT would win?
STX has what. their best players atm are (T)CuteAngel, (Z)hero and (P)Shuttle and they aren't really doing so well.
(T)CuteAngel has played 13 TvZs in a row (7-6 record)
his last game vs terran was in March and he lost to (T)fOrGG and his last TvP was a win vs (P)Tempest in the first Korean Air OSL.
(Z)hero has entered the MSL 2-1 but his PL record since June is 1-4. Hey! he lost less games than (Z)Calm(1-6). but (Z)hero has a tendency to create upsets.
(P)Shuttle.. is 1-4 in PL. and hes been eliminated from both SLs. Eh.. (P)Kal is probably better than him but (P)Kal isnt showing usual performance as of late.
Hes doing superb in the SLs but he went 2-9 since June. what the fuck? care for your team man.
In the Playoffs theyre going to need lucky wins and use their sniper well. ((Z)Modesty) but then again, Most of the players in STX are actually decent vs Zerg.
(T)Bogus will probably sent out multiple times to play their sacrificial matches of the playoffs unless he plays Zerg. Hes pretty good vs Zerg but sucks dick at TvT and TvP (Have you seen him play?)
Next is KT. The #1 team of the playoffs and i think the worst team of R5? idk about that but they did terribly. (T)Flash has the consistency of an A class player and seems to be dropping his SuperS class reign. His team is rather notable in the last couple PL matches. The protosses of KT are winning a lot. (P)Stats went 7-4 and (P)Tempest began to win games. (P)Violet needs to step up because apparently, hes BETTER than (P)Stats and (P)Tempest. Get your shit together. The KT Zerg are.. very very very very very very very very not good. (Z)HoeJJa who gets nervous in grand stages would lose his game in the playoff even though he did better than before going 2-2 opposed to his 3-10 before June. (Z)GatoradeZerg and (Z)Independence Day can only win ZvZs. watch them play ZvP or ZvT and you will hurl.
(T)fOrGG. I almost forgot but hes one of those Fortress Snipers. he made the MSL, dropped out of the OSL and went 3-1 in PL with all the 3 wins on Fortress since June. I expect him to come out on Fortress over anyone else.
GL Protosses, (T)Flash and (T)fOrGG

FOX is slumping and MBC has (T)Sea and a (T)Light on fire.
FOX's ace has gone on a wrecking spree and all of a sudden, (Z)Jaedong just destroys him and he started to slump by going 1-3 in PL and was ELIMINATED from both SLs. Serious disappointment to many. The funniest thing is, (Z)RorO is better than (T)BaBy if you compare ELO but I know for a fact that (Z)RorO is bad. (Z)RorO went 2-6 in PL since June. double (T)BaBy's PL performance and you get (Z)RorO. but also, (Z)RorO made the MSL. (T)BaBy didnt. whats going on?
(T)Midas went 2-3 in PL and made the MSL. Its hard to tell if hes going to be a major factor in the Playoffs or if hes just gonna lose majority of his games.
(P)Pure. hes actually doing good because his focus on the SLs are nonexistent atm because hes already seeded into the Ro16 of the OSL and is eliminated from the MSL. hes also 3-1 since June which is nice because before that, ... lol.
ah. FOX's very own (P)Bisu (Z)Killer. the Typhoon Zerg. the guy with lots of hate that should have been gone by now. (Z)Shine is like Plexa said in the June PR, is a Judgement Day Specialist. He is fucking 9-1 on that Map. For the PL since the start of June, hes 4-3 but was eliminated from the OSL by (T)HiyA. Hes going to play a big role in the playoffs and if FOX overtakes 5th place, i expect a battle of Judgement Day specialists ((Z)Shine vs (T)Fantasy who is 8-1).
I think FOX is gonna be ballsy during the playoffs and send out (T)Mind and (T)NaDa. ofc we cant tell if they'll win or lose because both of them are 2-1. You would expect them to lose but hey, you never know.
I think FOX can take down MBC though. They should lose today's match on purpose
Lets see.. MBC has (T)Sea and (T)Light.
(T)Sea made the Ro16 of the OSL. BLASPHEMY! Thats absurd. After his absence in PL in may, his record since June in PL is 4-3. Pretty good since one of his losses was to (P)Snow and the another was to (T)Leta.
(T)Light, another PL monster decided to lose to another underdog Protoss in the OSL but made the MSL Ro16 2-0. Like (T)Sea, he also went 4-3 beating the likes of (T)Flash and (Z)EffOrt. now that made me angry because im a (T)Light hater but, i have to say hes been impressive. But hes another choker when it comes to important matches.
remember the Winnersleague final? yea.. I expect the same to happen this time.
I thought (Z)HyuN would be more of help to MBC but after being eliminated from both SLs, ???? 0-3 wtf. what a streak (Z)HyuN. going 4-0 then 0-3.
If (P)Pusan is still in MBC during the playoffs, He will help them SOOOOOOO much. he went 4-0 since June.
(P)Tyson has had very little playing time but he will show up in the playoffs. He went 2-2 since June.
Sweatytoss went 1-2. He won against (T)sKyHigh, who has Terrible TvP.
He also didnt make any SL.
Last but not least, (Z)Saint. Hes 1-1 but he lost to (P)Anyppi. who is this guy???
hes KT's new Protoss. who? KT's new protoss. never heard of him? well many didnt..
He didnt make any SLs and is rather unsuccessful in the Dream league..
MBC comes 3rd imo to make the Finals but i doubt they will. Players other than (T)Sea and (T)Light NEEDS to step up.

The whole thing is between CJ and SKT
I might seem biased by hey, its true.
Although one might say (Z)EffOrt is slumping hard, his inconsistency in PL is similar to (Z)ZerO. he went 4-6 but made the MSL Ro16 without losing a single game. He is still known as CJ's ace so ofc we will be seeing him play a lot. even if he loses his game, he has a solid (T)Team behind him.
The other 2 of the CJ Trio, (P)Movie and (T)sKyHigh needs to step up a bit. (P)Movie is a Fortress Sniper going 4-1 on it. Hes in neither SLs so he can practice for the playoffs all he wants. His PL record since June is 3-3. Like most protosses, he needs to work on his PvZ. but he also needs to work on PvP. his PvP is terribad as his only loss on Fotress was to a Protoss.
(T)sKyHigh doesnt have that bad of a record going 4-3 but how many protosses did he beat out of all the protoss he played? 1-7. He definitely needs to work on his TvP. His TvZ is rather underrated although he lost to (Z)RorO twice in the MSL but who does (Z)RorO practice with?
Now theres (P)Snow. he went 6-3 in PL which is one of the better records we talked about. It seems hes going to be good in PL because he got eliminated from the SLs. He needs better PvZ and hes a solid player in the Playoffs.
(Z)Hydra seems to be going through the process as (Z)Shine did in the EVER OSL. He took down (P)Stats and (T)BaBy, 2 fan favorites and made the Ro16. Thats rather impressive but his PL performance needs to step up. hes 0-3 in PL since June. Hes (P)Snow's opposite.
Now (T)BByong. The 3rd member of the next CJ trio, played only 1 PL match and i tihnk he might play more. hes been successful like most of his CJ teammates in the D-league going 17-5.
(T)Iris, the veteran of the CJ team, has been winning like (T)NaDa. He went 3-1 in PL since June which is really good.
I dont expect this and many people dont but (T)Rush and (Z)MIsO can appear in the playoffs to fill the entry spots. (T)Rush went 10-7 and (Z)MIsO was with (P)Snow with the top D-league record for the first few weeks. Then he began to lose games so, his 6-1 in January became 12-7 now.
Me and QuickStriker agree that CJ and SKT at the grand finals is more epic than anything else.
Since (Z)MuMyung left the SKT coaching squad, the zergs got a lot better. just look at (Z)Hyuk and (Z)s2. wtf!? Them and (T)Fantasy were taking the place of (P)BeSt and (P)Bisu when they were slumping.
(Z)Hyuk went SL mode midway through June and went 0-4 after going 3-1. This sorta paid off because he made both Ro16. But whats awkward is, he lost 3 ZvZs to people who dont even play ZvZ well and won most of his ZvT and ZvPs.
(Z)s2 went from a scrub to SKT's top 5. he went 4-1 in PL but unfortunately, he was knocked out of the MSL by (T)Flash. In the PL, he won against the likes of (Z)The Dong and (T)Leta. crazy because both of them excels at vZ.
I mentioned earlier (T)Fantasy was a Judgement Day Specialist but hes also SKT's most consistent player. 9-1. motherfucking 9-1 since June in PL. He even made the OSL and his MSL is coming up so imagine the burden he carried. Now that (P)Bisu is back, he has his shoulder lightened.
(P)Bisu went 2-3 in the playoffs but his performance is shown in the Individual leagues where he didnt lose a single (T)Game. He easily has the best PvZ in the world atm breaking out of his MSL group 2-0 and taking down (Z)The Dong. His 2 wins in PL are PvZs and his 3 losses are PvP so he just needs better PvP.
(P)BeSt can only play PvT. he lost all his PvPs in PL and won 1 out of 5 PvZs but he did win all his PvTs. Hes playing too greedily in PvP and lost both times because he blindly took his natural vs (P)Violet and (P)Tyson.
No one else is notable in T1 because (T)Canata should retire because he lost his last 10 PL games and his title of Survivor King is put to shame He will be there to be a filler in the Playoffs. (P)SoO went 1-2 which is better than (T)Canata but he will also be a filler.

Phew. long long long.

Amen, I agree with all this, especially how CJ vs SKT Grand Finals would be the most epic best finals yet rather than KT vs SKT or KT vs CJ. Such a shame it won't happen, but MOST LIKELY in Playoffs will it happen..... either way, I'd say either SKT or CJ has the best chance to go to Finals out of all 5 teams (excluding KT since they are already in Finals) and win. KT may have a good chance since they got literally a whole 2 weeks or so to practice but still, we all know who will win....

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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 12 2010 02:42 GMT
#19
On July 12 2010 11:33 QuickStriker wrote:
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ROFL you guys seriously think STX or KT would win?
STX has what. their best players atm are (T)CuteAngel, (Z)hero and (P)Shuttle and they aren't really doing so well.
(T)CuteAngel has played 13 TvZs in a row (7-6 record)
his last game vs terran was in March and he lost to (T)fOrGG and his last TvP was a win vs (P)Tempest in the first Korean Air OSL.
(Z)hero has entered the MSL 2-1 but his PL record since June is 1-4. Hey! he lost less games than (Z)Calm(1-6). but (Z)hero has a tendency to create upsets.
(P)Shuttle.. is 1-4 in PL. and hes been eliminated from both SLs. Eh.. (P)Kal is probably better than him but (P)Kal isnt showing usual performance as of late.
Hes doing superb in the SLs but he went 2-9 since June. what the fuck? care for your team man.
In the Playoffs theyre going to need lucky wins and use their sniper well. ((Z)Modesty) but then again, Most of the players in STX are actually decent vs Zerg.
(T)Bogus will probably sent out multiple times to play their sacrificial matches of the playoffs unless he plays Zerg. Hes pretty good vs Zerg but sucks dick at TvT and TvP (Have you seen him play?)
Next is KT. The #1 team of the playoffs and i think the worst team of R5? idk about that but they did terribly. (T)Flash has the consistency of an A class player and seems to be dropping his SuperS class reign. His team is rather notable in the last couple PL matches. The protosses of KT are winning a lot. (P)Stats went 7-4 and (P)Tempest began to win games. (P)Violet needs to step up because apparently, hes BETTER than (P)Stats and (P)Tempest. Get your shit together. The KT Zerg are.. very very very very very very very very not good. (Z)HoeJJa who gets nervous in grand stages would lose his game in the playoff even though he did better than before going 2-2 opposed to his 3-10 before June. (Z)GatoradeZerg and (Z)Independence Day can only win ZvZs. watch them play ZvP or ZvT and you will hurl.
(T)fOrGG. I almost forgot but hes one of those Fortress Snipers. he made the MSL, dropped out of the OSL and went 3-1 in PL with all the 3 wins on Fortress since June. I expect him to come out on Fortress over anyone else.
GL Protosses, (T)Flash and (T)fOrGG

FOX is slumping and MBC has (T)Sea and a (T)Light on fire.
FOX's ace has gone on a wrecking spree and all of a sudden, (Z)Jaedong just destroys him and he started to slump by going 1-3 in PL and was ELIMINATED from both SLs. Serious disappointment to many. The funniest thing is, (Z)RorO is better than (T)BaBy if you compare ELO but I know for a fact that (Z)RorO is bad. (Z)RorO went 2-6 in PL since June. double (T)BaBy's PL performance and you get (Z)RorO. but also, (Z)RorO made the MSL. (T)BaBy didnt. whats going on?
(T)Midas went 2-3 in PL and made the MSL. Its hard to tell if hes going to be a major factor in the Playoffs or if hes just gonna lose majority of his games.
(P)Pure. hes actually doing good because his focus on the SLs are nonexistent atm because hes already seeded into the Ro16 of the OSL and is eliminated from the MSL. hes also 3-1 since June which is nice because before that, ... lol.
ah. FOX's very own (P)Bisu (Z)Killer. the Typhoon Zerg. the guy with lots of hate that should have been gone by now. (Z)Shine is like Plexa said in the June PR, is a Judgement Day Specialist. He is fucking 9-1 on that Map. For the PL since the start of June, hes 4-3 but was eliminated from the OSL by (T)HiyA. Hes going to play a big role in the playoffs and if FOX overtakes 5th place, i expect a battle of Judgement Day specialists ((Z)Shine vs (T)Fantasy who is 8-1).
I think FOX is gonna be ballsy during the playoffs and send out (T)Mind and (T)NaDa. ofc we cant tell if they'll win or lose because both of them are 2-1. You would expect them to lose but hey, you never know.
I think FOX can take down MBC though. They should lose today's match on purpose
Lets see.. MBC has (T)Sea and (T)Light.
(T)Sea made the Ro16 of the OSL. BLASPHEMY! Thats absurd. After his absence in PL in may, his record since June in PL is 4-3. Pretty good since one of his losses was to (P)Snow and the another was to (T)Leta.
(T)Light, another PL monster decided to lose to another underdog Protoss in the OSL but made the MSL Ro16 2-0. Like (T)Sea, he also went 4-3 beating the likes of (T)Flash and (Z)EffOrt. now that made me angry because im a (T)Light hater but, i have to say hes been impressive. But hes another choker when it comes to important matches.
remember the Winnersleague final? yea.. I expect the same to happen this time.
I thought (Z)HyuN would be more of help to MBC but after being eliminated from both SLs, ???? 0-3 wtf. what a streak (Z)HyuN. going 4-0 then 0-3.
If (P)Pusan is still in MBC during the playoffs, He will help them SOOOOOOO much. he went 4-0 since June.
(P)Tyson has had very little playing time but he will show up in the playoffs. He went 2-2 since June.
Sweatytoss went 1-2. He won against (T)sKyHigh, who has Terrible TvP.
He also didnt make any SL.
Last but not least, (Z)Saint. Hes 1-1 but he lost to (P)Anyppi. who is this guy???
hes KT's new Protoss. who? KT's new protoss. never heard of him? well many didnt..
He didnt make any SLs and is rather unsuccessful in the Dream league..
MBC comes 3rd imo to make the Finals but i doubt they will. Players other than (T)Sea and (T)Light NEEDS to step up.

The whole thing is between CJ and SKT
I might seem biased by hey, its true.
Although one might say (Z)EffOrt is slumping hard, his inconsistency in PL is similar to (Z)ZerO. he went 4-6 but made the MSL Ro16 without losing a single game. He is still known as CJ's ace so ofc we will be seeing him play a lot. even if he loses his game, he has a solid (T)Team behind him.
The other 2 of the CJ Trio, (P)Movie and (T)sKyHigh needs to step up a bit. (P)Movie is a Fortress Sniper going 4-1 on it. Hes in neither SLs so he can practice for the playoffs all he wants. His PL record since June is 3-3. Like most protosses, he needs to work on his PvZ. but he also needs to work on PvP. his PvP is terribad as his only loss on Fotress was to a Protoss.
(T)sKyHigh doesnt have that bad of a record going 4-3 but how many protosses did he beat out of all the protoss he played? 1-7. He definitely needs to work on his TvP. His TvZ is rather underrated although he lost to (Z)RorO twice in the MSL but who does (Z)RorO practice with?
Now theres (P)Snow. he went 6-3 in PL which is one of the better records we talked about. It seems hes going to be good in PL because he got eliminated from the SLs. He needs better PvZ and hes a solid player in the Playoffs.
(Z)Hydra seems to be going through the process as (Z)Shine did in the EVER OSL. He took down (P)Stats and (T)BaBy, 2 fan favorites and made the Ro16. Thats rather impressive but his PL performance needs to step up. hes 0-3 in PL since June. Hes (P)Snow's opposite.
Now (T)BByong. The 3rd member of the next CJ trio, played only 1 PL match and i tihnk he might play more. hes been successful like most of his CJ teammates in the D-league going 17-5.
(T)Iris, the veteran of the CJ team, has been winning like (T)NaDa. He went 3-1 in PL since June which is really good.
I dont expect this and many people dont but (T)Rush and (Z)MIsO can appear in the playoffs to fill the entry spots. (T)Rush went 10-7 and (Z)MIsO was with (P)Snow with the top D-league record for the first few weeks. Then he began to lose games so, his 6-1 in January became 12-7 now.
Me and QuickStriker agree that CJ and SKT at the grand finals is more epic than anything else.
Since (Z)MuMyung left the SKT coaching squad, the zergs got a lot better. just look at (Z)Hyuk and (Z)s2. wtf!? Them and (T)Fantasy were taking the place of (P)BeSt and (P)Bisu when they were slumping.
(Z)Hyuk went SL mode midway through June and went 0-4 after going 3-1. This sorta paid off because he made both Ro16. But whats awkward is, he lost 3 ZvZs to people who dont even play ZvZ well and won most of his ZvT and ZvPs.
(Z)s2 went from a scrub to SKT's top 5. he went 4-1 in PL but unfortunately, he was knocked out of the MSL by (T)Flash. In the PL, he won against the likes of (Z)The Dong and (T)Leta. crazy because both of them excels at vZ.
I mentioned earlier (T)Fantasy was a Judgement Day Specialist but hes also SKT's most consistent player. 9-1. motherfucking 9-1 since June in PL. He even made the OSL and his MSL is coming up so imagine the burden he carried. Now that (P)Bisu is back, he has his shoulder lightened.
(P)Bisu went 2-3 in the playoffs but his performance is shown in the Individual leagues where he didnt lose a single (T)Game. He easily has the best PvZ in the world atm breaking out of his MSL group 2-0 and taking down (Z)The Dong. His 2 wins in PL are PvZs and his 3 losses are PvP so he just needs better PvP.
(P)BeSt can only play PvT. he lost all his PvPs in PL and won 1 out of 5 PvZs but he did win all his PvTs. Hes playing too greedily in PvP and lost both times because he blindly took his natural vs (P)Violet and (P)Tyson.
No one else is notable in T1 because (T)Canata should retire because he lost his last 10 PL games and his title of Survivor King is put to shame He will be there to be a filler in the Playoffs. (P)SoO went 1-2 which is better than (T)Canata but he will also be a filler.

Phew. long long long.

Amen, I agree with all this, especially how CJ vs SKT Grand Finals would be the most epic best finals yet rather than KT vs SKT or KT vs CJ. Such a shame it won't happen, but MOST LIKELY in Playoffs will it happen..... either way, I'd say either SKT or CJ has the best chance to go to Finals out of all 5 teams (excluding KT since they are already in Finals) and win. KT may have a good chance since they got literally a whole 2 weeks or so to practice but still, we all know who will win....

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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 12 2010 03:37 GMT
#20
To be honest, among those in 3rd to 6th places - 6th is the best place to be, since you either get to play MBC if they lose, or STX if they lose and MBC wins - both of these teams are currently weak.

If the standings don't change (they probably will) SKT will play CJ, probably difficult for both teams, while a kind of currently weak WeMade will play a similarly currently off-peak MBC. If I were in SKT or CJ's coaches shoes, I'd try to change the team's position to get an easier first round for playoffs.

Of course the other factor is morale/momentum. It probably isn't good if your team's players head into the playoffs losing some of their final matches and not being able to be confident due to such results.

I think CJ, SKT, and KT are the threats, unless the other teams somehow figure out what's plaguing their players and get them to return to form. KT has a huge advantage because they don't have to play tiring Bo3's of Bo7's and can just wait for whoever rises up to challenge them, and have bunches of playoff matches to study while giving away nothing in return.
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United States10328 Posts
July 12 2010 03:54 GMT
#21
if flash can get his shit together and return to his old form, KT will win. otherwise CJ or SKT... hoping CJ. Interestingly KHAN played very well r5 but failed to make playoffs
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States395 Posts
July 12 2010 04:28 GMT
#22
The CJ/SKT1 match is going to be the most pivotal match in my mind.

If SKT1 makes it to the finals, they'd be slight favorites since KT has been relying on their 3 viable P's to win matches paralleling SKT1's renewed Z line, and given the current state of PvZ, you have to favor SKT1. Then again, KT could be training Barracks' only TvZ for this scenario, and with some bad draws (lots of PvPs and ZvTs) for SKT1, the situation could be reversed.

If CJ made it to the finals they probably have a better chance to beat Flash than SKT1, but they're very matchup specific and a lot of the players on their lineup has some noticable weaknesses to P, so I'd give KT the upper hand here.

Nobody on STX has preformed well lately. Team morale is probably in the dumps. They will not make it to the finals. Similarly I can't see MBC making it past anyone. Sea and Light are good, but they're not invincible, especially under pressure, and when Jaehoon is your number 3 player, your team is doomed.
WMF is a weird case. They're favored against STX and MBC, have so many T/Z they can terrorize SKT1's Z/P line, but probably arn't favored vs CJ or KT.
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
July 12 2010 12:51 GMT
#23
This has potential to be one of the most boring playoffs in a long time. One of CJ/SKT1 has to make it all the way to the finals (or STX could get their shit together...) in order to prevent a horrible mess of PvT and TvT. Fox, MBC, KT? Argh.

In this playoffs format, it's pretty ridiculous to win if you aren't one of the first or second seeds, and with STX failing en masse KT is the definite favourite to take the crown. Just because (T)Flash has seemed vulnerable for some of R5 is not going to prevent him from being the favourite against almost any player the other teams can throw at him, and as we've seen from their recent wins where Flash has either lost or not even played, KT as a whole seems to be regaining their R1 form. The toss line, mostly, bolstered by the new addition of a (P)Tempest that might actually be able to win some games.

So who stands a chance against a lineup of (P)Violet, (P)Stats, Tempest, maybe (Z)HoeJJa, and Flash? CJ as always is a threat, and I suppose SKT is as well. Maybe even an MBC where Sea thinks he's in the Ro32, but it's unlikely that they'll make it to the finals in the first place. I fully anticipate a KT win and will be extremely surprised if they don't.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 12 2010 22:55 GMT
#24
after last night's games, SKT + Show Spoiler +
has this playoffs in the bag. Canata actually won something and Best won a PvP, which should be incredibly invaluable for SKT haha
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Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
July 12 2010 23:29 GMT
#25
I really hope for a SKT vs CJ final. But I got a feeling that KTFlash will somehow get in there :/
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Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
July 12 2010 23:47 GMT
#26
On July 13 2010 08:29 FlopTurnReaver wrote:
I really hope for a SKT vs CJ final. But I got a feeling that KTFlash will somehow get in there :/


well yes, KT already is seeded into the finals
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
July 12 2010 23:49 GMT
#27
^ Not even possible. KT seeded into Grand Final already haha
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