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qzmpwxno
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Papua New Guinea152 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 02:37:03
June 08 2010 02:29 GMT
#1
So yeah...I am a noob who has around 60 apm. I play zerg, and I know zerg requires a lot of apm/multitasking at the higher levels. But, just for fun, and to show that it can in fact be done, here's 2 games of mine against guys who had about twice as much apm as me!!!! (and I still won these games)

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=35682 (62 vs 104 apm)
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=35666 (63 vs 132 apm)

...
Now I know you guys are going to flame me for being a D- player but the fact of the matter is, in the first game, my opponent was a solid D last season, and in the second game, my opponent was D+ last season. They had the apm advantage over me, but my overall strategy/tactics were better, which explains why I won.

A major reason I'm posting these is to show a lot of people who are just starting out (with either SC: BW or SC2) that apm doesn't necessarily dictate your rank. It's more about what you're doing, not necessarily how fast you're doing it.

Of course, I can't speak for everyone. Multitasking is obviously extremely important ~ C- and above. I'm not at that level, but in any case, these games have been strangely satisfying for me.

**
Stand on one block but own the whole street~
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42656 Posts
June 08 2010 02:34 GMT
#2
lol
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
June 08 2010 02:34 GMT
#3
Tough to have a "superior" strategy every game. As you get to higher levels you won't get build order wins and so forth. Your opponents will also be very good at scouting, so your "strategy" won't give you an edge. So yeah, work on mechanics. Didn't watch the reps, don't even have Broodwar installed. I just didn't approve of the message you're trying to send.
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 02:36:46
June 08 2010 02:35 GMT
#4
u need more apm dude
skyhighftw on iccup
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42656 Posts
June 08 2010 02:36 GMT
#5
His opponent was a solid D to be fair. They don't just give those Ds out to anyone.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
June 08 2010 02:36 GMT
#6
I had around 180 apm as B- in BW

I play with about 70 in SC2. SC2 don't requiere much apm at all, and I love it
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
June 08 2010 02:37 GMT
#7
you cant just start a need account if u get d-
skyhighftw on iccup
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
June 08 2010 02:39 GMT
#8
On June 08 2010 11:36 OminouS wrote:
I had around 180 apm as B- in BW

I play with about 70 in SC2. SC2 don't requiere much apm at all, and I love it



same i can rape with just one hand now.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
June 08 2010 02:39 GMT
#9
Nobody will flame you for being a D- player

People will troll you for posting these though lol
@KawaiiRiceLighT
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
June 08 2010 02:40 GMT
#10
what i really want to know is are you really from papua new guinea?
jackofclubs81
Profile Joined January 2010
United States196 Posts
June 08 2010 02:41 GMT
#11
On June 08 2010 11:34 selboN wrote:
Tough to have a "superior" strategy every game. As you get to higher levels you won't get build order wins and so forth. Your opponents will also be very good at scouting, so your "strategy" won't give you an edge. So yeah, work on mechanics. Didn't watch the reps, don't even have Broodwar installed. I just didn't approve of the message you're trying to send.

The guy admitted that he was D and that these reps werent trying to prove that his strategy would succeed at higher levels. Also, you give an extremely angry remark without even watching the replays. It seems like you know a LOT(notice the sarcasm) about gameplay and strategy for a guy who doesnt even have Broodwar installed.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 02:42:39
June 08 2010 02:42 GMT
#12
On June 08 2010 11:41 jackofclubs81 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 11:34 selboN wrote:
Tough to have a "superior" strategy every game. As you get to higher levels you won't get build order wins and so forth. Your opponents will also be very good at scouting, so your "strategy" won't give you an edge. So yeah, work on mechanics. Didn't watch the reps, don't even have Broodwar installed. I just didn't approve of the message you're trying to send.

The guy admitted that he was D and that these reps werent trying to prove that his strategy would succeed at higher levels. Also, you give an extremely angry remark without even watching the replays. It seems like you know a LOT(notice the sarcasm) about gameplay and strategy for a guy who doesnt even have Broodwar installed.


He is C+

edit: was C+ protoss

although to be fair I don't see how that's hard either !
@KawaiiRiceLighT
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 08 2010 02:43 GMT
#13
so you won 2 games out of how many...? I watched the PvZ and I'd say you're lucky the Protoss got storm out super late. Practice a build order, get faster and watch more games I guess to build up your game sense
Writerptrk
jackofclubs81
Profile Joined January 2010
United States196 Posts
June 08 2010 02:44 GMT
#14
On June 08 2010 11:42 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 11:41 jackofclubs81 wrote:
On June 08 2010 11:34 selboN wrote:
Tough to have a "superior" strategy every game. As you get to higher levels you won't get build order wins and so forth. Your opponents will also be very good at scouting, so your "strategy" won't give you an edge. So yeah, work on mechanics. Didn't watch the reps, don't even have Broodwar installed. I just didn't approve of the message you're trying to send.

The guy admitted that he was D and that these reps werent trying to prove that his strategy would succeed at higher levels. Also, you give an extremely angry remark without even watching the replays. It seems like you know a LOT(notice the sarcasm) about gameplay and strategy for a guy who doesnt even have Broodwar installed.


He is C+

edit: was C+ protoss

although to be fair I don't see how that's hard either !

Lol im a noob.
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
June 08 2010 02:45 GMT
#15
On June 08 2010 11:36 OminouS wrote:
I had around 180 apm as B- in BW

I play with about 70 in SC2. SC2 don't requiere much apm at all, and I love it


i had 140
Writer
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
June 08 2010 02:47 GMT
#16
apm doesn't matter.
you're just bi-est.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
June 08 2010 02:50 GMT
#17
On June 08 2010 11:42 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 11:41 jackofclubs81 wrote:
On June 08 2010 11:34 selboN wrote:
Tough to have a "superior" strategy every game. As you get to higher levels you won't get build order wins and so forth. Your opponents will also be very good at scouting, so your "strategy" won't give you an edge. So yeah, work on mechanics. Didn't watch the reps, don't even have Broodwar installed. I just didn't approve of the message you're trying to send.

The guy admitted that he was D and that these reps werent trying to prove that his strategy would succeed at higher levels. Also, you give an extremely angry remark without even watching the replays. It seems like you know a LOT(notice the sarcasm) about gameplay and strategy for a guy who doesnt even have Broodwar installed.


He is C+

edit: was C+ protoss

although to be fair I don't see how that's hard either !

lolol <3

stream more! i never see you on! (though maybe i might just be checking at the wrong times?)
boomer hands
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
June 08 2010 02:51 GMT
#18
Isn't it a fact that Stork is a slow player with very low APM?

However, even for Stork, he has about 150-200 APM in every game (if I recall correctly).

Therefore, I think APM does not matter after a certain level. I believe this threshold to be around 150.
:]
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
June 08 2010 02:52 GMT
#19
On June 08 2010 11:47 redtooth wrote:
apm doesn't matter.
you're just bi-est.


dude, u gotta skate
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
June 08 2010 02:53 GMT
#20
On June 08 2010 11:47 redtooth wrote:
apm doesn't matter.
you're just bi-est.


LOL
dude you made me choke on my food.

I don't even know why I find these dropzone jokes funny XD
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
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