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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
On June 02 2010 11:05 Gryffindor_us wrote: Jesus christ, the proclivity for this community to forgive the most grievous of occurrences can be so revolting. Ughhhh. agreed, it really is disgusting... reminds me of when people actually argued that the people who abused TSL ladder should be allowed to compete in the tournament "because they would have qualified anyway" | ||
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MaTaAeRuKaNa
United States95 Posts
i've been more or less following the scene since boxer and let me tell you the ma bonjwa era was something. it was different than today's mechanical games. it was magical. as a terran player, this to me is still the most terrrifying display of zerg power ever recorded | ||
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koreasilver
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TunaFishyMe
Canada150 Posts
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koreasilver
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On June 04 2010 06:19 Gann1 wrote: agreed, it really is disgusting... reminds me of when people actually argued that the people who abused TSL ladder should be allowed to compete in the tournament "because they would have qualified anyway" Sir, I can think of a lot of things much more disgusting the fans/community do then standing by someone that gave up their life to be discredited and villainized for the best parts, pitied and humiliated for the worst parts, and discredited and villianized again forever at the lowest point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131156 On June 16 2010 02:06 Mortality wrote: I just what to point out that while progamers aren't as heavily into this community as they are the Korean communities, many of you contributed to this mess. Every time I see things like Sangho I think there's something very wrong with this world. Most match fixers got a few thousand dollars when they literally gave up everything in life to play a game while being the same age or younger than we are. If you said go.go go hang yourself do you think that's appropriate? If someone said Sangho go kill yourself match fixer would that be right? Do you really think the core of what happened to Sangho was because of Savior or the mob mentality of the fans? On May 21 2010 23:37 omninmo wrote: who cares... its hwasin. poor guy just wanted to get paid so he could keep up with his friends' gucci habits. he got caught, and now he is "sorry...really sorry"... i wonder how much of his ill-gotten lip gloss, rings, sunglasses, silk socks, britches, kerchiefs, etc. were returned? Do you realize not one person apologized to Sangho or took responsibility. Everyone blamed the "Korean" netizens when people here had the exact same attitude. And even if people did apologize what could it do? His father collapsed in the hospital and he genuinely considered suicide. You think Savior caused that? Do you really think standing by Savior is the most disgusting thing the fans/community does? I'm going to say this plainly, the core of the mob mentality, fans had that caused Sangho to contemplate suicide is the same core that caused Savior's psychological damage and mental state. That's why it bothered me when I'd see people ragging on Savior when the guy experienced more mental hardships from Starcraft than any other player and I'd imagine he justifiably hates the game. Sangho contemplated suicide after 2 months. How long has Savior been where he is? I struggled to explain this a long time ago and frankly I didn't do a good job, and now he's going to jail. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102063 Sangho wrote: “The reason I wanted to do this interview was not because I wanted to prove my innocence. I just don’t want another victim like me to appear again. I sincerely ask of the netizens to not forget that just one little rumor from you can make you the same as a criminal, to almost kill a man. I hope no one gets hurt like Id id again.” If people would just look at themselves before criticizing others we'd live in a much better world. This is prison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136858 Do you wish this on Savior? + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDLPQiboykY | ||
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MaTaAeRuKaNa
United States95 Posts
On July 19 2010 16:15 ForSC2 wrote: Sir, I can think of a lot of things much more disgusting the fans/community do then standing by someone that gave up their life to be discredited and villainized for the best parts, pitied and humiliated for the worst parts, and discredited and villianized again forever at the lowest point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131156 Every time I see things like Sangho I think there's something very wrong with this world. Most match fixers got a few thousand dollars when they literally gave up everything in life to play a game while being the same age or younger than we are. If you said go.go go hang yourself do you think that's appropriate? If someone said Sangho go kill yourself match fixer would that be right? Do you really think the core of what happened to Sangho was because of Savior or the mob mentality of the fans? Do you realize not one person apologized to Sangho or took responsibility. Everyone blamed the "Korean" netizens when people here had the exact same attitude. And even if people did apologize what could it do? His father collapsed in the hospital and he genuinely considered suicide. You think Savior caused that? Do you really think standing by Savior is the most disgusting thing the fans/community does? I'm going to say this plainly, the core of the mob mentality, fans had that caused Sangho to contemplate suicide is the same core that caused Savior's psychological damage and mental state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNqrvSXCzWU That's why it bothered me when I'd see people ragging on Savior when the guy experienced more mental hardships from Starcraft than any other player and I'd imagine he justifiably hates the game. Sangho contemplated suicide after 2 months. How long has Savior been where he is? I struggled to explain this a long time ago and frankly I didn't do a good job, and now he's going to jail. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102063 If people would just look at themselves before criticizing others we'd live in a much better world. This is prison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136858 Do you wish this on Savior? + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDLPQiboykY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSDwB-5xFok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txtAyoKLh3A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb2CU6A7uZ0 Wow. This should be a final edit | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On June 02 2010 07:27 Megalisk wrote: I don't think anyone denies his amazing skill at starcraft, or his accomplishments, but on the personal level, he was a dick. You never knew him on a personal level :S It's really absurd to think you know a person just from TV shows and newspaper articles that talk about him. I still like Ma Jae Yoon. I still like Alexei Yashin. Sue me. I don't think anyone who met either of these people in person disliked them at all. I think what happened is horrible, but I don't know anything so I refrain my judgment about specific people. It's everybody's fault and it's nobody's fault. That's usually the truth. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 19 2010 16:15 ForSC2 wrote: Sir, I can think of a lot of things much more disgusting the fans/community do then standing by someone that gave up their life to be discredited and villainized for the best parts, pitied and humiliated for the worst parts, and discredited and villianized again forever at the lowest point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131156 Every time I see things like Sangho I think there's something very wrong with this world. Most match fixers got a few thousand dollars when they literally gave up everything in life to play a game while being the same age or younger than we are. If you said go.go go hang yourself do you think that's appropriate? If someone said Sangho go kill yourself match fixer would that be right? Do you really think the core of what happened to Sangho was because of Savior or the mob mentality of the fans? Do you realize not one person apologized to Sangho or took responsibility. Everyone blamed the "Korean" netizens when people here had the exact same attitude. And even if people did apologize what could it do? His father collapsed in the hospital and he genuinely considered suicide. You think Savior caused that? Do you really think standing by Savior is the most disgusting thing the fans/community does? I'm going to say this plainly, the core of the mob mentality, fans had that caused Sangho to contemplate suicide is the same core that caused Savior's psychological damage and mental state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNqrvSXCzWU That's why it bothered me when I'd see people ragging on Savior when the guy experienced more mental hardships from Starcraft than any other player and I'd imagine he justifiably hates the game. Sangho contemplated suicide after 2 months. How long has Savior been where he is? I struggled to explain this a long time ago and frankly I didn't do a good job, and now he's going to jail. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102063 If people would just look at themselves before criticizing others we'd live in a much better world. This is prison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136858 Do you wish this on Savior? + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDLPQiboykY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSDwB-5xFok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txtAyoKLh3A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb2CU6A7uZ0 FUUUUUUUUUUUCK NOT THE HOT_BID VIDEO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, fuck that thing makes me feel so bad. While i don't believe any of the match fixers should be allowed to play again(i will stand by this till the end) I do believe they should be respected because their skill isnt in question just their morals..(ffs savior revolutionized zerg) | ||
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Therick
Norway324 Posts
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On July 20 2010 23:40 MaTaAeRuKaNa wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 16:15 ForSC2 wrote: Sir, I can think of a lot of things much more disgusting the fans/community do then standing by someone that gave up their life to be discredited and villainized for the best parts, pitied and humiliated for the worst parts, and discredited and villianized again forever at the lowest point. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131156 Every time I see things like Sangho I think there's something very wrong with this world. Most match fixers got a few thousand dollars when they literally gave up everything in life to play a game while being the same age or younger than we are. If you said go.go go hang yourself do you think that's appropriate? If someone said Sangho go kill yourself match fixer would that be right? Do you really think the core of what happened to Sangho was because of Savior or the mob mentality of the fans? Do you realize not one person apologized to Sangho or took responsibility. Everyone blamed the "Korean" netizens when people here had the exact same attitude. And even if people did apologize what could it do? His father collapsed in the hospital and he genuinely considered suicide. You think Savior caused that? Do you really think standing by Savior is the most disgusting thing the fans/community does? I'm going to say this plainly, the core of the mob mentality, fans had that caused Sangho to contemplate suicide is the same core that caused Savior's psychological damage and mental state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNqrvSXCzWU That's why it bothered me when I'd see people ragging on Savior when the guy experienced more mental hardships from Starcraft than any other player and I'd imagine he justifiably hates the game. Sangho contemplated suicide after 2 months. How long has Savior been where he is? I struggled to explain this a long time ago and frankly I didn't do a good job, and now he's going to jail. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102063 If people would just look at themselves before criticizing others we'd live in a much better world. This is prison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136858 Do you wish this on Savior? + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDLPQiboykY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSDwB-5xFok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txtAyoKLh3A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb2CU6A7uZ0 Wow. This should be a final edit Sir, thank you. I mentioned this vaguely http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5331509 and haven't been able to commit the time to expand on it. It bothers me to see such prevailing opinions where any support is held in the highest level of contempt. I don't comment on his morals because I don't know him. Frankly, I believe he arranged matches and did it out of spite rather than money, but even that's conjecture. What I do know is he experienced more mental hardships from Starcraft than any one I'd ever seen and it was that, not his skill that was the real reason I liked him so much, that someone climbed so high yet still seemed to be the perpetual whipping boy. Savior's probably going to prison, but I wish this could be voiced. Because I feel no one notices it when after 8 years this is the moment the support of the fans truly matter. I want to show why I support Savior because I believe my beliefs are less common and hopefully insightful. I have trouble right now to commit time to fully show it, but it is something I truly want to commit the effort to attempt. Thank you for responding. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 21 2010 04:20 ForSC2 wrote: What I do know is he experienced more mental hardships from Starcraft than any one I'd ever seen and it was that, not his skill that was the real reason I liked him so much, that someone climbed so high yet still seemed to be the perpetual whipping boy. Were you there when GO team was still an un-sponsored team? When Xellos and Coach Cho were literally paying for the team's food and apartment out of their own pockets? Savior was certainly there. He didn't make it big till 2005--he definitely knew what Xellos and Coach Cho were giving in order to give their team the chance to grow. Savior at least was a progamer during a time where he could at least guarantee that he'd have some stability--its not like he was going from tournament to tournament worrying whether his winnings would be enough to support the team till the next event. This match-fixing scandal put the entire South Korean esports industry at risk--someone as big as Savior has a defining impact on peoples' image of esports. If sponsors decided that they didn't want to be associated with that kind of negative image, Korean pro teams could collapse overnight. Savior's predecessors on CJ Entus went through a hell of a lot more to even get the team going. What right does Savior have to jeopardize the fruits of their labor just because he feels like he deserves more? | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
If i was working my ass off like he did and had fallen from greatness i'd sure as hell would have done the same thing, just the thing about getting others into it was dumb. But i still forgive him, he will always be one of my favorite BW players of all time. I wish he comes back for SC2. | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
What's done is done. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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minus_human
4784 Posts
That's why it bothered me when I'd see people ragging on Savior when the guy experienced more mental hardships from Starcraft than any other player and I'd imagine he justifiably hates the game. Sangho contemplated suicide after 2 months. How long has Savior been where he is? Hello. Have you ever heard of Lee Yoon Yeol ? What you're saying seems like mostly bullcrap to me, sorry if I offend you but it's how I feel. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
Anyway savior i will always be your fan, and even tho many people will try and forget you- i never will, becuase in my eyes, you did something worth doing- even if the world doesn't think it at the time. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7595 Posts
On July 19 2010 10:55 koreasilver wrote: He's an idiot for what he did but it still doesn't change that Jaedong is the best Zerg of all time. Fixed  | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
It is a sad truth that progamers live in pretty bad conditions, this is true Misrah. However it's not like the industry can sustain the demand of people trying to get into it either. I'll admit that a bit needs to be done to benefit their conditions, however I also think that people should be discouraged from going too far into a progaming career. Imagine there were a starcraft entrance exam. Every 13 year old has a chance to qualify to be a progamer once. If they don't show potential, they are cut, and know that they have no chance to become a progamer so they focus on careers that have a better chance of working out. I think this is more important right now to minimize the pool of potential players. If a player has not started starcraft by 13, he has no chance of becoming a progamer in this day and age. | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
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