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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51433 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 11:52:45
May 24 2010 11:52 GMT
#1
Does this concept from sports such as football carry onto the progaming scene correctly?
Help me fill out necessary blanks.

Let's try it out I guess.

KT Rolster
Terran
1: Flash
2: fOrGG
3: Barracks

Protoss
1: Violet
2: Stats
3: Tempest

Zerg
1: HoeJJa
2: Firefist
3: ?

STX SouL
Terran
1: Bogus
2: Frozen
3: Notice

Protoss
1: Kal
2: Shuttle
3: ?

Zerg
1: Calm
2: hero
3: Modesty

MBCgame HERO
Terran
1: Light
2: Sea
3: ?

Protoss
1: Jaehoon
2: Han
3: Pusan

Zerg
1: Hyun
2: Saint
3: Peace

Woongjin Stars
Terran
1: MVP
2: Piano
3: Sair

Protoss
1: free
2: Guemchi
3: Daezang

Zerg
1: Zero
2: Kwanro
3: Soulkey

SK Telecom T1
Terran
1: Fantasy
2: Canata
3: Mong

Protoss
1: Bisu
2: Best
3: ?

Zerg
1: Hyuk
2: s2
3: ?

WeMade FOX
Terran
1: Baby
2: Mind
3: Major

Protoss
1: Pure
2: ?
3: ?

Zerg
1: Roro
2: Shine
3: ?

Hwaseung OZ
Terran
1: Hiya
2: Lomo
3: ?

Protoss
1: BackHo
2: PerfectMan
3: ?

Zerg
1: Jaedong
2: Killer
3: ?

CJ Entus
Terran
1: Skyhigh
2: Iris
3: ?

Protoss
1: Snow
2: Movie
3: ?

Zerg
1: Effort
2: Hydra
3: Orion

Samsung KHAN
Terran
1: Firebathero
2: Miracle
3: Turn

Protoss
1: Stork
2: Jangbi
3: M18M

Zerg
1: Great
2: Chavi
3: Juni

hite SPARKYZ
Terran
1: Leta
2: Puma
3: ?

Protoss
1: Horang2
2: Tazza
3: ?

Zerg
1: Hogil
2: ?
3: ?

eSTRO
Terran
1: Really
2: Classic
3: ?

Protoss
1: Flying
2: ?
3: ?

Zerg
1: Action
2: hyvaa
3: ?

Air Force ACE
Terran
1: Ruby
2: ?
3: ?

Protoss
1: Much
2: Reach
3: Anytime

Zerg
1: GoRush
2: Yellow

*
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Aus)MaCrO
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia349 Posts
May 24 2010 12:00 GMT
#2
We Made Fox Terran: Midas?
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
May 24 2010 12:10 GMT
#3
SKT1 SoO?

I think this shouldn't apply to ace btw.

I guess you're not including people caught in the scandal either.
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 24 2010 12:13 GMT
#4
the hite depth chart looks sad.
Woo Jung Ho
koleen
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands97 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 12:26:39
May 24 2010 12:26 GMT
#5
WMF t: midas
SKT1 z: SoO
Ace t: Casy
eSTRO p: Sangho
KT z: 815
Oz P: spear

Would also swap violet and stats if we look at recent performance, violet playing like a shade of his former self compared to r1 and r2 :\
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
May 24 2010 12:28 GMT
#6
On May 24 2010 21:00 Aus)MaCrO wrote:
We Made Fox Terran: Midas?


peddle your lies elsewhere good buddy
HEY MEYT
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2393 Posts
May 24 2010 12:47 GMT
#7
I'm so glad FBH still made #1 Terran for KHAN =)
The original Bogus fan.
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
May 24 2010 12:52 GMT
#8
SKT T1 z : SoO
WMF T : Midas
KT z : 815 !!!
Bisu... ;-(
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
May 24 2010 13:24 GMT
#9
ACE #2/3 T = Casy/Darkelf(So is the rumor true?)

SKT1 #3 Zerg = n.die SoO

"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 13:47:17
May 24 2010 13:47 GMT
#10
ACE:
T:
(T)RuBy
(T)Casy
(T)XellOs ((T)DarkElf is banned yes?)

P:
(P)Anytime
(P)Much
(P)Reach

Z:
(Z)GoRush
(Z)YellOw
(Z)ggaemo (in the (P)Future)

CJ:
T:
(T)sKyHigh
(T)Iris
(T)BByong

P:
(P)Snow
(P)Movie
(P)Nbs

Z:
(Z)EffOrt
(Z)Hydra
(Z)Orion

eSTRO:
T:
(T)Really
(T)Classic
(T)Fancy

P:
(P)Flying
(P)Grape
(P)Dear

Z:
(Z)Action
(Z)hyvaa
(Z)hwata

hite:
T:
(T)Leta
(T)PuMa
(T)SungEun

P:
(P)Horang2
(P)SeCret
(P)Tazza

Z:
(Z)HoGiL
49[Scm]
45[Name]

OZ:
T:
(T)HiyA
(T)Lomo
(T)Bee

P:
(P)PerfectMan
Sky[Kal]
(P)Spear

Z:
(Z)Jaedong
(Z)Killer
(Z)NeeL

KT:
T:
(T)Flash
(T)fOrGG
(T)Barracks

P:
(P)Stats
(P)Violet
(P)Tempest

Z:
(Z)HoeJJa
(Z)FireFist
(Z)815

MBC:
T:
(T)Light
(T)Sea
(T)koala

P:
(P)Jaehoon
(P)Pusan
(P)IrOn

Z:
(Z)HyuN
(Z)Peace
(Z)Saint

KHAN:
T:
(T)firebathero
(T)Reality
(T)Firebat

P:
(P)Stork
(P)JangBi
(P)Brave

Z:
(Z)great
(Z)Juni
(Z)Chavi

SKT:
T:
(T)fantasy
(T)Canata
(T)Ssak

P:
(P)Bisu
(P)BeSt
(P)Paralyze

Z:
(Z)Hyuk
(Z)s2
n.die_soO

STX:
T:
(T)Bogus
(T)FrOzen
(T)Last

P:
(P)Kal
(P)Shuttle
(P)Trap

Z:
(Z)Calm
(Z)hero
(Z)Modesty

WeMade:
T:
(T)BaBy
(T)Midas
(T)Mind

P:
(P)Pure
(P)LuCifer
(P)Moon

Z:
(Z)RorO
(Z)Shine
hero[join]

Stars:
T:
(T)MVP
(T)PianO
(T)SaiR

P:
(P)free
(P)GuemChi
(P)DaezanG

Z:
(Z)ZerO
Neo.G_Soulkey
(Z)Kwanro
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
May 24 2010 14:03 GMT
#11
for some of the teams, even if they are "deep", the people included aren't exactly good, esp. wemade's protoss lineup.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 15:48:39
May 24 2010 15:28 GMT
#12
If you check the TLPD entry for each team and sort the players by Elo is gives a good start. For example, STX:

(Z)Calm 2189 pts
(P)Kal 2167 pts
(P)Shuttle 2157 pts
(T)Shame 2152 pts
(Z)July 2132 pts
(T)Bogus 2098 pts
(Z)hero 2095 pts
(T)Last 2046 pts
(Z)Modesty 2045 pts
(T)FrOzen 김동건 2033 pts
(T)Notice 김경효 2022 pts
(P)SoO -
(T)ToSsGirL -
(P)Trap -

So,
Zerg: Calm / hero / Modesty (July is in the b-team)
Terran: Bogus / Last / Frozean (Hwasin? Who?)
Protoss: Kal / Shuttle / --- (SoO and Trap just don't play, ever)

Of course, this don't exactly measure how deep the team is, maybe if you included some sort of minimum Elo ranking, for example, 2100. So STX would be:

Zerg: Calm / - / -
Terran: - / - / -
Protoss: Kal / Shuttle / -

These are the players that are always playing. Modesty is a ZvZ specialist/sniper and Hero is more like Calm-has-already-played-but-we-expect-someone-who-is-bad-vZ-or-a-protoss

Using the same criteria on Oz you get:
Zerg: Jaedong / - / -
Terran: HiyA / - / -
Protoss: - / - / -

And KT:
Terran: Flash / ForGG / -
Protoss: Stats/ Violet / Tempest
Zerg: - / - / -

Estro:
Terran: Really / Classic / -
Protoss: - / - / -
Zerg: - / - / -

CJ:
Zerg: Effort
Terran: Iris / Skyhigh
Protoss: Movie

The biggest problem in using Elo rankings is that BW's up and down have short periods, like three or four months, while Elo is based in the last year (IIRC). Maybe a better criteria would be how many points a player got in the last three KeSPA rankings... actually that isn't a very good criteria either since the higher you are in KeSPA the harder it is to get points.

...

Ran out of ideas.

EDIT: Checked out Kespa Points, they are too erratically from one month to the other, look at Calm's points in Jan. Mar. Apr and May: 2049,8, 1920,4, 1829,3, 2051,6

Maybe combining more criteria gets better results:
1) Elo is over 2100 OR
2) Gained more than XX% in Kespa Points compared to 3 months ago.

#1 implies that top players will be included (it's hard to get more KeSPA points at the top
#2 if fore rising stars. The XX should be based on how many he had 3 months ago, players at the bottom should have XX = 300% while for Top 30 XX = 20%

If one takes a look at KeSPA Top 20 players, everyone in there are sure bets in the Proleague matches, so just to be safe:
1) Elo is over 2100 OR
2) Gained more than XX% in Kespa Points compared to 3 months ago OR
3) Player is at KeSPA Top 20 list.

--> Criteria #3 is there because I don't expect anyone to make a formula for the XX value. If a good one is created, the third criteria is meaningless.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 15:40:32
May 24 2010 15:39 GMT
#13
For SKT T1, the third spot would be TheZerg....

it's pretty fascinating though how TheZerg was not an original SKT Zerg (or at least Hyuk and s2 were there longer than he was). He sure won a few games after the trade but I'm not sure if he made some great games after.

or maybe soo..
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
May 24 2010 17:27 GMT
#14
I just did it by going to fantasy stats and checking how many lineup appearances each player made, if there weren't 3 players of each race then I sorted by dream league appearances.
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 18:08:34
May 24 2010 17:50 GMT
#15
On May 25 2010 02:27 jalstar wrote:
I just did it by going to fantasy stats and checking how many lineup appearances each player made, if there weren't 3 players of each race then I sorted by dream league appearances.


Your criteria is a good way to sort the players, but almost every team has three players of each race, so it doesn't really measure depth if you don't include a lower limit of appearances, i.e. 5.
Good players are send often, so the longer the list of players that have five or more matches, deeper the team is.

EDIT: Let's do STX with a minimum of 5 matches:
Zerg: Calm (2)
Protoss: Kal (1) / Shuttle (3)
Terran: -

KT:
Terran: Flash (1) / ForGG (2)
Protoss: Shuttle (3) / Violet (4)
Zerg: Hoejja (5)

* numbers in () means the Rank in lineup appearances of the player in his team matches.

Hmm... let's try by number of victories (min. of 4):
STX
Protoss: Kal (1) / Shuttle (4)
Zerg: Calm (2) / Hero (3)

Now Oz:
Zerg: Jaedong (1)
Terran: HiyA (2) / Lomo (3)

KT:
Terran: Flash (1)
Protoss: Stats (2) / ForGG (3)

WeMade (not ranking anymore):
Baby, Roro, Midas, Shine

EDIT2: Yet another criteria: value in TL Fantasy Starcraft, minimum of $4
STX: Kal / Calm / Shuttle / Hero
KT: Flash / Stats / ForGG
Oz: Jaedong
WeMade FOX: Baby / Roro / Shine / Midas
CJ: Snow / Effort / SkyHigh / Hydra / Iris
Khan: Stork

I kinda like this one, anyone knows the value is calculated?

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