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I just had a funny thought I'd like to share after going to the TL FL meetup yesterday and it was a complete fiasco, Ender did a great job and everything from the players side and the event organizing side was done well.
I had fun (despite spending 6+ hours driving) and I met some really cool people including Nero (who I met because I let him borrow my mouse, he is lefty and I was done with my games, he was sitting next to me, really nice guy.) But there were a flood of problems with the game and bnet2.0
First, there is some kind of limit on how many people can be on Bnet 2.0 from the same IP, how blizzard expects lans or tourneys to take place with this and no lan support is beyond my comprehension. We overcame this by having all 100 people there, proxy server. It worked, kinda. So then we started playing and all the games were laggin ass. I remember hearing things like "who lags at a lan?" and "wtf is this" shouted out quite a bit. It's really sad that it is impossible to have lan latency in SC2, even at a lan. How can there ever be a pro league without lan? It would be plagued by disconnects and pauses. That's pretty much how the tourney went. Disconnects and lag throughout. We played a few games of BW (RACE WARS!!) and they ran perfect, ironically those games were the funnest part of the whole day for me.
I walked around and most people were playing other games as well, after only about 2 hours of SC2 frustration. A few playing BW, some playing Team Fortress, a few WOW and other various games, all without issue. After the round of 16 had to be stopped for the 3rd time, due to BNet problems I decided to leave. Worst part is, I actually spent more time driving than playing yesterday. I feel bad for the people at lan knights and ender who worked so hard to make this event happen, got such a nice location and support for this event. Sadly, I found out today that the tourney was unable to get past the Ro8 due to all the issues. No prizes have yet been awarded. I have not played a game of SC2 since the last 2 patches that most would consider playable. Nothing but constant lag and drops. I haven't played Sc2 since my last game in the tourney yesterday. Just lost interest in it. This from a guy who fought his way from the bottom of bronze to top 5 in gold.
The funny thought I had after reading all the TL nerd rage about all the issues people are having, is this, maybe this 1 month beta break is gonna be a breaking point for the SC2 release. I think so many people are going to be playing BW for the next month and having more fun doing it rather than Sc2, that it will have a hugely negative effect on sc2 opinions. When people are getting frustrated and turned off by all the sc2 bugs and Bnet2.0 issues and then they go back and tear it up on iccup they will be asking themselves "What was so great about SC2 again?"
The balance, the lag, the chatrooms, the fun you have playing. Over the next month all of these things are going to be on a lot of minds and under a microscope as people go back to BW after 2 months of Sc2. I'm wondering how Sc2 is going to stack up. Furthermore, if Sc2 and Bnet2.0 are released and huge improvements haven't been made is it possible Sc2 will be merely a shadow of what BW was? Time will tell, but whatever the case this beta break will be a time of serious comparison.
Remember the Power outage? A glimpse of Starcrafts future perhaps. I wonder how many sponsors want to be embarrassed by hosting sc2 events that are overshadowed by controversy.
Here's a picture someone made at the event yesterday, it made us all lol!
![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/4q6gch.jpg)
Edit:
Blizzard End User Agreement: WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON"
I find this disgusting as well!
 
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Blizzard End User Agreement: WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON"
Raging Nerd Agreement: WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO SEARCH OUT AND DISCLOSE BLIZZARD EMPLOYEE INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON"
I hope this makes them think twice.
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Wow, Canessa was the GM of Xlive arcade 2000-09 as well! I can remember the endless people raging over the price of new maps for games. Even when the creators of MW said in an interview that they would like to make the maps free but the decision is up to Xlive. The complete lack of anti cheat concerns me as well. In Halo2 people were standby cheating the day the game came out. Until day they discontinued Xlive support for halo2 standby was still possible. Anyone familiar with the HaloCE evolution to present day halo 3/odst/reach beta is cringing at the fact that this guy was brought into blizzard for the Bnet2.0/SC2 release. If you don't know Halo3 was out for 3 years before ODST came out. It was advertised as a whole new game. Well the campaign was trash, and it really was just a way to get you to spend 60$ for 3 new Halo3 maps.(ODST's multiplayer is Halo3!)
Now, with the Halo Reach beta beginning you need to have ODST to play it. I have it and it sucks. I'm done with microsoft, done with Xbox and now that I see that shameless marketing skumbags like Canessa have migrated to Blizzard, I might just give up gaming all together. The entire industry has become shit. It's like when Hollywood takes great movies and makes shitty sequels for $$$. Ever seen tremors 1 vs tremors 2?
A lot of gaming companies have been taking this route. Making shit sequels merely to profit further from the name the original created. Original games have to be good, because they have to carry their own weight and have good consumer satisfaction before the masses will come off 60$
It seems the industry has found a way around this.... Sequels!
Blizzard has always stood out in this respect, with series like Warcraft and Diablo where the sequels almost always delivered on their promises of being better than the original. I guess it was just a matter of time before they became corrupted as well.
I feel so sad right now.
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Here is a copy of a msg i just sent to Canessa on face book. I hope it cheers you up!
I was an Xlive junky for several years. From Mechwarrior to halo3. I always hated how the service nickel and dimed me for maps, features, avatars and how cheaters were allowed to destroy my gaming experience without any fear of repercussion. After I pay 300$ for a gaming system that Microsoft knew was defective before it was released (I've had 2 red ring boxes that were beyond warranty!) Xbox live never took punishing cheaters seriously, and so called ban hammers were a complete joke and you know it!
When you do buy their headsets and controllers they fall apart in mere weeks. In an interview top halo pro gamer T2 said he goes through about 2 Xbox 360 controllers per month.
I have always loved how blizzard makes great sequels, puts their collective hearts into games and doesn't release junk. But now that I know you were the Xlive GM for the last decade and your at Blizzard in charge of Bnet 2.0 I'm done. Done with Xlive, done with getting ripped off, done with Blizzard.
I realize you got away with these antics at Microsoft ripping of naive children and adults alike. You got me! But you have underestimated the pc gamers. There not as stupid and gullible as you obviously think they all are. If you release Bnet2.0 and try this crap NEWSFLASH here is what is going to happen. The game will be completely hacked/cracked within a month of release and no one will even bother using or buying official SC2 versions because of people like you and their antics. They will download free versions and play on free servers without big brother. They will share content and lol in chat rooms about how people like you ever thought you could rip them off and control them.
You sir, and your corporate lackeys are all pieces of shit in my eyes and in the eyes of millions around the world.
I'm reminded of an episode of south park where they have a "biggest douche in the universe contest" We'll you would clearly have beaten Jon Edwards. Congrats!
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c-c-c-combo breaker!
Edit: I do agree with you though, in a less angry way...
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 24 2010 12:14 gumbum8 wrote:
c-c-c-combo breaker!
c'mon really?
Anyways, I stopped playing Sc2 a long time ago, and don't really plan on ever playing unless some really major changes occur, July 27 is far too early to release the game IMO.
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On May 24 2010 12:07 Reborn8u wrote:
Here is a copy of a msg i just sent to Canessa on face book. I hope it cheers you up!
I was an Xlive junky for several years. From Mechwarrior to halo3. I always hated how the service nickel and dimed me for maps, features, avatars and how cheaters were allowed to destroy my gaming experience without any fear of repercussion. After I pay 300$ for a gaming system that Microsoft knew was defective before it was released (I've had 2 red ring boxes that were beyond warranty!) Xbox live never took punishing cheaters seriously, and so called ban hammers were a complete joke and you know it!
When you do buy their headsets and controllers they fall apart in mere weeks. In an interview top halo pro gamer T2 said he goes through about 2 Xbox 360 controllers per month.
I have always loved how blizzard makes great sequels, puts their collective hearts into games and doesn't release junk. But now that I know you were the Xlive GM for the last decade and your at Blizzard in charge of Bnet 2.0 I'm done. Done with Xlive, done with getting ripped off, done with Blizzard.
I realize you got away with these antics at Microsoft ripping of naive children and adults alike. You got me! But you have underestimated the pc gamers. There not as stupid and gullible as you obviously think they all are. If you release Bnet2.0 and try this crap NEWSFLASH here is what is going to happen. The game will be completely hacked/cracked within a month of release and no one will even bother using or buying official SC2 versions because of people like you and their antics. They will download free versions and play on free servers without big brother. They will share content and lol in chat rooms about how people like you ever thought you could rip them off and control them.
You sir, and your corporate lackeys are all pieces of shit in my eyes and in the eyes of millions around the world.
I'm reminded of an episode of south park where they have a "biggest douche in the universe contest" We'll you would clearly have beaten Jon Edwards. Congrats!
i loved the 1984 reference in here.
Watch out, he might be part of the thought police.
We should all send similar messages to him until he changes bnet 2.0!
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lol its mechassualt for xbox not mechwarrior.
Loved that game. To bad it's no longer supported on Xlive.
BTW isn't it false advertisement to write all over you packaging that the game supports Xlive and then take the feature away at a later date? It's them changing the deal after they got your money.
I started this Blog because I've promised TL staff NEVER TO START A NEW THREAD AGAIN! I've been banned a lot in a short amount of time so I'm just gonna do my bitching and whining here. ENJOY! BTW I respect the mods and the huge amount of work they do, but I would like for you to allow as much tolerance and freedom as possible to people posting in my blog. These are ideals I hold sacred.
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Wow, what kind of EULA is that -.-" I never even read it every time I logged on but seriously it's pretty BS, allowing themselves to disclose all of your personal information for any reason.....
Some serious privacy issues here.
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That EULA is worth wiping your ass. Can't wait for someone to hack this shit.
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lol was that the bay area lan thing? haha that must've really sucked.. what did u guys end up doing o_o
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It was the TL FL meet up at UCF. I played some broodwar. It was good to meet so many other players in person. I got to sit next to Nero and try to help him play toss because he hasn't even played the beta but entered the tourney and won his first BO3. His apm was nuts and he won by pumping zeolots. I was telling him how to use warpgates.Nero said he's not going to be playing sc2 he is pursuing other interests. He was really nice and the guy I gave a ride to hypnotic was cool and put up with my endless talking for the 3 hour ride each way. The place was really nice though, had nice restrooms and a good selection of places to eat on the bottom floor. Bnet 2.0 just was full of fail. Without lan support you end up lagging when your playing against the person sitting next to you. Playing BW and team fortress quickly turned into the norm and it was a lot of fun. Apparently, there is some kind of limit on Bnet2.0 as to the amount of connections allowed from a single ip. This is probably how they intend to control who has tourneys and give Blizzard the ability to charge for it. But like i said we got around the limit by having everyone use proxies.
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