To all SC2 players looking to upgrade video cards - Page 2

On May 08 2010 05:27 semantics wrote:

Nice to see who is the fanboy here, is it the one listing his opinion, well no because both of us are doing it, how about the one who sees someone disagree and instead of reaffirming his points he makes a personal attack.Considering your shoved your opinion and used a bias history to sell ATI and ATI all the way and then acted like it's neutral party...

Maybe not in canada but you can get a 5850 for 300 and a 470 for 350, if you're going for a card for DX11 why not go with the 470 which produces more consistent results then a 5850 under dx11 along with under AA

If i was going crossfire vs sli, sli all the way much stronger performance per dollar in the US see how you miss that mr canada. Hell i could go what you get in Mexico then it would def be your way as if you bought a GTX 480 in mexico vs a 5870 it would be something like 550 bucks for the 5870 in US currency then about 750+ bucks for the GTX480 yeah shit those prices not everywhere is the same, too bad most the teamliquid is in the US

I said US get that across your head.

The GTX260 275 4870 4890 are pointless arguments even if you can find you your probably going to find one used, if you find it new it's probably going to be like 200+ dollar well over it's worth. If you want to argue how the 4870 has one of the best AA system in place for it's time well that's true, if you want a 4870 vs a 260 a 4870 would be better in performance, but too shitting bad those are EOL they aren't on the market anymore zeesh the 5770 is the only thing in the market at that price range.

If you want to talk US about the 4850 vs GTS 250 it's about what you can find cheaper a GTS 250 is a bit stronger then a 4850 so if the 4850 is 10+ dollars cheaper probably go with that else go with a GTS 250

Also shut up about that 5-15% crap.

On avg the 470 pulls 10.35% more fps then a 5850 which is only 7.35% under a 5870
on avg the 480 pulls 15.49% more fps then a 5870
Under settings that matter the AA and AF enabled settings


What are you going to do talk about power requirements and usage perhaps just a few dollars at the end of the year's bill, the fact is unless you game everyday for 4+ hours at which point your electric bill will automatically be high you're only adding a few dollars to your electric bill in the US esp if you live in a mid western state, also under normal usage the 480 470 doesn't use too much more power then a 5870 or a 5850, any result concerning furmark for the 5870 and 5850 is bull as it has a voltage protection system in place that will cap it under an application such as that you have to use another source to show power difference.

Next, I went with a Geforce 7900GS against the Radeon 1950 PRO

I went with the Green Team again for the next generation of video cards, I bought a Geforce 8800GT which was in every way superior to the shitty Radeon 2xxx series, even 4 years later the 8800GT still offers very respectable frame rates in most games. As a testament to the success of the Geforce 8800 G80 architecture, the Geforce 9xxx series was simply a shrunken die based on the same architecture, but it was still vastly superior vs the Radeon 3xxx series. I bought a 9800GTX because the ATI messed up the 3xxx once again (the 9800GTX raped the Radeon 3870 in just about every benchmark).

I eat fanboys like you for breakfast all day, now run along and follow the GPU scene for 8 years as I have then try posting again; perhaps you won't fail as hard then.

I run my overclocked 5850 on a 485W power supply (Enermax 485W), which is not sufficient to run a GTX470.

Additionally, the hotter a piece of hardware runs, the shorter its life span, meaning the resale value of a GTX470/480 will be significantly lower than a HD5850/5870.

Things get even worse for GTX480 vs Radeon 5870, according to your chart the GTX480 is only 9.3% faster but costs a whopping 25% ($499 vs $399)

On May 08 2010 09:58 a176 wrote:


lolling in my seat. here's how normal people do it:

1) Get a budget
2) Look at reviews for FPS in games I play
3) Buy best bang-for-buck card
???
4) Profit

also,





Yep, 344 > 485. Wait, what?





Yep, 3 degree difference between a 5870 and a 480. Each degree must equal hundreds of dollars of lost retail value, obviously.



Is 10 fps worth a $90 premium?

Use percentages all you want man. 10fps is still only 100% faster than 5fps.

Bonus points if you want to downplay the site I'm referencing, too.

On May 08 2010 03:05 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
... I claim loyalty to neither company;
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So my question is, WHY ARE PEOPLE STUPID ENOUGH TO CONTINUE TO PURCHASE NVIDIA CARDS ...

On May 08 2010 10:26 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
You cherry-picked benchmarks, and from the looks of it, all from a single website.

Enough sound.

On May 08 2010 10:35 Boblion wrote:
a176 you are so ignorant it hurts my eyes.

Take a look at the temperatures, the 480 is way worse than the 5970 or a crossfire of 5870.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/787-6/report-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-470.html

Look the thermography images, numbers just don't show the truth.

On May 08 2010 23:29 Lazerbeems wrote:
If all you care about is raw performance, the Fermi cards are extremely good. This real issue with the Fermi cards, as said by basically everyone, is heat, power consumption, and noise.

FragKrag, nVidia went all out on the stock cooling so any non reference cooler the guys at Sapphire produce is not really going to help cool the thing down drastically...hell Furmark (yes I know, realistically a game will not push your video card as hard) pushes the card to over 80 degrees even with a prototype Thermalright Spitfire on it. You're going to need aftermarket cooling unless you live in a freezer.

Thermalright Spitfire is massive as fuck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUYm3c_bg7Y

The thing with me is that I feel really, really uncomfortable having anything in my case run over 70 degrees (on load). If you don't mind the high temperatures, noise, and energy consumption, I agree with FragKrag that the GTX470 is a pretty good performance card for the price. Personally, I wouldn't even bother with the Fermi cards unless I'm willing to pay for the aftermarket cooling as well as a case with extremely good airflow.

On May 08 2010 23:50 JustOnePost wrote:


Over 70C? Every single performance card on the market tops 70C... I think even the HD 5770 tops it. If you don't want anything above 70C, you have to go for water cooling to get any decent performance card.

And clearly you have not seen the reference models that push the GTX 470 temps down 10-20C Nvidia may have went all out with the GTX 480, but they didn't with the GTX 470, and I'm sure that both can be easily cooled to around 80C with decent non reference.

On May 08 2010 10:52 sephtin wrote:


*cough* BS *cough*

I also have purchased various models from both companies. As a consultant in the systems administration field I have also supported consumer, small business, and enterprise machines running both nVidia, as well as ATI cards, both high end (read: gaming) as well as common consumer and integrated products.

I AM BIASED. I have had problems on top of problems with ATI drivers. Both past, as well as current retail offerings.
The first *major* issue I've seen with nVidia drivers is the bug that caused fan speed control to not work properly. After years of bad ATI drivers, I wasn't shocked.

I for one, will never buy ATI.

It's tragic too... I really like AMD, but I will continue to recommend nVidia, and suggest avoiding ATI to anyone that might listen...

On May 09 2010 11:20 JustOnePost wrote:
How is that even a point?

20FPS is hardly marginal as the difference between 20 to 40FPS is painfully obvious. The HD 5870 at $400 is a perfectly justifiable card (though the 2GB version at $500 is a complete waste), and the GTX 480 is obviously about $50ish more than it should be.

While it is true you can overclock a 5850 to a 5870's levels (and above), the 5870 is still the superior piece of hardware. The 5850 is hardly worth its price right now (especially since the GTX 470 has some amazing combos on Newegg for new system builders), and I would say the 5870 is the better buy.

On May 09 2010 11:20 JustOnePost wrote:
How is that even a point?

20FPS is hardly marginal as the difference between 20 to 40FPS is painfully obvious. The HD 5870 at $400 is a perfectly justifiable card (though the 2GB version at $500 is a complete waste), and the GTX 480 is obviously about $50ish more than it should be.

While it is true you can overclock a 5850 to a 5870's levels (and above), the 5870 is still the superior piece of hardware. The 5850 is hardly worth its price right now (especially since the GTX 470 has some amazing combos on Newegg for new system builders), and I would say the 5870 is the better buy.