I'm wondering if anyone here knows anyone that's done a lot of damage to themselves from doing this stuff.
Thing is I used to be a cop and will probably be going into the DEA or FBI after I get my master's degree. We've been best friends since we were little and now he moved out of his house into kind of a crap hole with a few people he barely knew and one of our mutual friends. He lost his job pushing carts at Wal-Mart because he showed up late every day. Our mutual friend moved out of the house over this because he couldn't afford to cover double rent.
He has a roommate who's a DJ and throws raves every weekend in their basement. So my friend has been pretty bored since he has no job and is living in this new place further away from his old friends. He decided to go to some of the raves and from what I hear this DJ kid slipped something into his drink and got him F'd up. He kind of liked the feeling so now he's been taking it on his own free will at all the raves. Our mutual friend that moved out told me about some of the other things that go on around the house and he tells me that some of the roommates are bringing in things like horse tranquilizers, mescaline, acid, vicodin, meth and some other stuff. I'm worried my friend could have those pushed on him. When their house is packed for the parties apparently a lot of the people carry some sort of knife or blade on them and he's seen a couple guns.
I feel like if I don't do anything I'll be letting him down because we made a promise to ourselves back in 10th grade that if one of us ever got into drugs that we'd try to help them.
I went over to the house a day after one of their parties and the place was a mess. Toilet overflowing, dishes piled up, cigarette butts everywhere, burns on the furniture, and puke in the tub and a number of other places. He and a couple of the other roommates were lying down in the living room. My friend looked like crap.
On May 07 2010 04:01 Ruken wrote: The went over to the house a day after one of their parties and the place was a mess. Toilet overflowing, dishes piled up, cigarette butts everywhere, burns on the furniture, and puke in the tub and a number of other places. He and a couple of the other roommates were lying down in the living room. My friend looked like crap.
Ecstasy does this to people.
Also good cops need a nose for these things, I say give it a try.
If you care that much, you definitely need to talk to him as soon as you can. Do absolutely whatever to help him, but if in the end he doesn't listen to you, I would just forget about him. You sound like you're pretty hurt from this, and if he doesn't use your help then I say fuck him, he's putting you in emotional stress, why should waste your time on a friend who doesn't care about your own feelings?
Wow, that's unfortunate. I can't imagine anyone wanting to live in those conditions, so if he's taking MDMA voluntarily it might be just to "get away" from reality. I don't really know much of the effects of MDMA so I wouldn't know if that's how it works, but if that's the case, I'm sure he would appreciate any help. He might've given up at this point, so just showing him that you care about him and wish to help him might of huge help to him.
I would try talking to him about it when he isn't high or with his buddies, and see how that goes. I don't know what I would do beyond that, but it seems relatively harmless, and I think you should do this before you do anything more extreme.
On May 07 2010 04:25 leetchaos wrote: Sounds like its time to remind him of that promise.
You just know that hes gonna reply to this that it is not a problem and that he just does it when he wants too and such. Addicts never want to accept help until they admit that what they are doing is a problem.
If he went to a rave on X it won't make sense to him going without it anymore. It's just not comparable once you've tried it, redefines the music and everything else. And if he plans on living with those guys he is definitely going to try other things. At the moment he is having the best time of his life and I don't think you can change anything here.
Ecstasy isn't addictive, right? and from what i've heard it's not very dangerous compared to many other drugs. But from what u're describing he got more problems than just ecstasy so i REALLY think you should try to do something about it, My advice is to ask someone with professional experience with drug addicts and tell him/her about your worries and hopefully you can get some good advice how to go on from there.
I've done mdma and tranquilizers with friends before. I wouldn't be too worried about him getting fucked off mdma, however I don't do it anymore because you can never know whats in the pills. I've heard they cut filthy shit into them like meth and stuff. I view it as more of a recreational drug because my friends have done it quite a bit and never have been addicted in any sort of way or shown signs of damage or anything from it. I view tranquilizers the same way (ketamine I assume?) but i've never had any prolonged experiences with them, only tried it once and my friends have only tried it a few times.
Its the other shit they are bringing in that I would get worried about. If he starts getting bored of mdma and hits up the meth then you have problems, and it sounds like there's a possibility that might happen.
I'm not sure what I would do in your shoes since people in positions like this are notoriously stubborn. See if you can talk to him and talk about how far he is going to go with drugs and just do what you feel is right I guess.
not sure mdma is the issue here - seems more like the company he's keeping, a consequence of his work ethic. mdma is one of the relatively easy drugs to use responsibly but the other shit you listed with the exception of acid sound really, really stupid to be doing. doubly so because he has no source of income!
i don't think a talk about the drugs will change anything. best bet is to convince him of the need to move out first and go from there, at this point living with his parents is better than where he is now
Best thing to do is to help him, idk how but it is always worth a try to get his parents informed so they would also try and help him too. Unless you want to see your friend die in a puddle of foam someday.... which isn't nice.
On May 07 2010 05:00 intrigue wrote: not sure mdma is the issue here - seems more like the company he's keeping, a consequence of his work ethic. mdma is one of the relatively easy drugs to use responsibly but the other shit you listed with the exception of acid sound really, really stupid to be doing. doubly so because he has no source of income!
i don't think a talk about the drugs will change anything. best bet is to convince him of the need to move out first and go from there, at this point living with his parents is better than where he is now
Off Topic: i've heard the term "doubly so" once before, and it was from my favorite porn star <_< >_>
On Topic: I think I may have been too harsh with my last post.. you should do something now, and ecstasy can be dangerous if you don't know what's in it, it all depends on who you know and what exactly they cut in it. But from the looks of the situation your friend is in, shit might could get more dangerous. As someone said above, yeah you need to remind him of that promise.
With a bit of luck, OPs life was ruined forever. Always thinking that just behind some narrow door in all of his favorite bars, men in red woolen shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he'll never know.
It's very difficult for a peer to help in a situation like this so either step up as dea badass in training or refer him to someone (forcefully if necessary) who is statistically more likely to succeed in getting him to make the right decisions.
It's not an easy thing to do. First off you need to seriously decrease the time he spends in that house. Moving out is a must, not attenting the raves is a second step and changing his phone number the last step. This includes getting rid of the people on IM and Facebook etc. The alternative is having them around in that house and continuing the downwards spiral towards heroin and prostitution/theft/murder.
Once he's free of that environment, he needs to find one that is better suited for him. Try to help him find a job or get him an internship somewhere so he has something to do with his days. If all goes well, he'll realize that he was throwing his life away at that house and vow to never do drugs again.
On the other hand, he is an adult and has his freedom to do as he pleases. Though maybe he doesn't realize that his choices aren't always his own, they still have to be respected. The dilemma is how much to care, because it will take a toll on your temperament if he refuses to stop. Try to contact his parents/friends/social workers so that you aren't the only one dealing with this. And the sooner he gets a job the better. But it is up to him. And it's a shame it had to go so far. Hope your friend comes around.
Drugs are not necessarily bad. Moderation is important.
Drugs in the hands of someone who has little self-control and is easily influenced by others = recipe for disaster. Although there isn't much you can do for people with little self-discipline as they are a slave to their impulses and will readily succumb to them.
On May 07 2010 07:14 vnlegend wrote: Drugs are not necessarily bad. Moderation is important.
Drugs in the hands of someone who has little self-control and is easily influenced by others = recipe for disaster. Although there isn't much you can do for people with little self-discipline as they are a slave to their impulses and will readily succumb to them.
Er... be careful. While some risks of recreational drug use are overblown or generalized... don't make it sound like you can do pretty much whatever drugs you want with the right attitude... I know you didn't really mean that though.
A few of my friends used to routinely do MDMA as part of a night out without any ill effects. No worse than drinking. They're nice guys and the drugs didn't change that one bit. There's a difference between MDMA and being a crackhead.
mdma isn't addictive and generally isn't that big of a health risk but it permanently messes with the chemicals in your brain. not something you want to abuse
On May 07 2010 09:10 traced wrote: mdma isn't addictive and generally isn't that big of a health risk but it permanently messes with the chemicals in your brain. not something you want to abuse
The problem with mdma is that when you want to buy mdma, chances are you end up with MDA, MDE, PMA, amphetamines or DXM but not with pure mdma
On May 07 2010 09:10 traced wrote: mdma isn't addictive and generally isn't that big of a health risk but it permanently messes with the chemicals in your brain. not something you want to abuse
The problem with mdma is that when you want to buy mdma, chances are you end up with MDA, MDE, PMA, amphetamines or DXM but not with pure mdma
Well, back in a day when I used to still do this garbage, buying an X pill loaded with amphetamine would be the best scenario. Pure MDMA isn't even that awesome lol.
MDMA is not addictive but at least in Australia its usually substituted or cut with other more harmful products. At least have a talk to him, and if it seems like he's in serious danger then you might want to do even more.
Recent stats in Australia show that less than 5% of pills marketed as ecstacy (and confiscated by police) have any MDMA in them at all. I guess the crackdown on the market really worked haha
Of the stuff you've mentioned, I can provide the following:
- MDMA is classified as a neurotoxin, and there is considerable debate as to whether it does irreparable damage to the brain. ("Neurotoxin" does not necessarily mean "causes irreparable damage to the brain," by the way.) The debate was such that I quit doing it after reading some of it, but this was years ago. (Also, although ecstasy is notoriously impure and adulterated with other stuff, this is mostly to get the right combination of effects. Sometimes it results in weak ecstasy or something, but I never experienced anything that led me to believe that I was doing more damage to my body/brain than I already knew I was doing.) - Ketamine ("horse tranquilizers") are chemically similar to PCP, a neurotoxin that conclusively damages the brain, but there's no conclusion to the debate. Again, that there was a debate made me quit doing the drug. - Mescaline and acid are incredibly safe drugs. It's nearly impossible to overdose on them and they don't damage the brain. - Methamphetamine and vicodin (along with any other opioids) are dangerous insofar as they're very addictive. I never researched meth so I have no idea what it does to brain chemistry, although I assume it's not good, but opioids/opiates are all very safe beyond their addictive potential.
Good luck with your friend. The biggest harm to recreational drug use is that you're lying around an apartment stoned or sucking on candy pacifiers at a rave to prevent your jaw from clenching in place of doing something productive and edifying, like reading a book.
I love how guns and knives are like... the background information.
Yeah from what I've heard//read MDMA is quite bad for your neurochemistry with repeated use. That being said I did it maybe once every 2 months in highschool or so, and i've found its just way too taxing to be abused by most people. It starts feeling way more speedy and less empathetic, and the next day(s) are like jaw ache and heart ache heaven. So it was really easy to make the decision never to touch it again.
lol he doesn't need help if he took extacy once, same way you dont need help if you smoke weed once a week/month. go read up on mdma (which isn't really exctasy, exctasy is mdma mixed with amphetamine).
As long as you don't abuse the substance (aka. take it every day over a longer period of time) most drugs aren't that bad an you'd be suprised of how few there are out there who actually are addicted to mdma.
Recreational drug use is not harmful in the same way that having a glass of wine every week isn't harmful. People need to realize the truth behind the propaganda the goverments around the world spreads about drugs. I'm currently reading a book about cocaine, good factual book with sources, that came over a rejected UN report about cocaine and its damage on society. They didn't want to release it becuase they didn't think the report was alarming enough...
But I would watch your friend since he might be depressed, if he goes on to heavier stuff (crack, amphetamine, meth or even heroin) and multiple times a week that's when you should start getting worried.
edit: Just for reference, I've tried amphetamine, cocaine, weed, extasy and lsd. I don't feel the urge to do more drugs, I was never a junkie who had the urge to do drugs all the time. I just like to kick back with some weed once a month, and if I don't have the time for that I'll just skip it. No big deal.
On May 07 2010 04:19 Frits wrote: the guy is a total loser, get away from him
I wonder how u got urself close to having 10k + posts, this one right there is one of the shitty answers I also got on my blog (similar one's). ur a deepshit.
Didn't used to do that until I did mdma back in uni. With me I didn't do it over a long period. I did a whole bunch in a short period. Still problems to this day with jaw clenching xD
Gotta be careful with that stuff. Try to do it safely.
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