I'm wondering if anyone here knows anyone that's done a lot of damage to themselves from doing this stuff.
Thing is I used to be a cop and will probably be going into the DEA or FBI after I get my master's degree. We've been best friends since we were little and now he moved out of his house into kind of a crap hole with a few people he barely knew and one of our mutual friends. He lost his job pushing carts at Wal-Mart because he showed up late every day. Our mutual friend moved out of the house over this because he couldn't afford to cover double rent.
He has a roommate who's a DJ and throws raves every weekend in their basement. So my friend has been pretty bored since he has no job and is living in this new place further away from his old friends. He decided to go to some of the raves and from what I hear this DJ kid slipped something into his drink and got him F'd up. He kind of liked the feeling so now he's been taking it on his own free will at all the raves. Our mutual friend that moved out told me about some of the other things that go on around the house and he tells me that some of the roommates are bringing in things like horse tranquilizers, mescaline, acid, vicodin, meth and some other stuff. I'm worried my friend could have those pushed on him. When their house is packed for the parties apparently a lot of the people carry some sort of knife or blade on them and he's seen a couple guns.
I feel like if I don't do anything I'll be letting him down because we made a promise to ourselves back in 10th grade that if one of us ever got into drugs that we'd try to help them.
I went over to the house a day after one of their parties and the place was a mess. Toilet overflowing, dishes piled up, cigarette butts everywhere, burns on the furniture, and puke in the tub and a number of other places. He and a couple of the other roommates were lying down in the living room. My friend looked like crap.
On May 07 2010 04:01 Ruken wrote: The went over to the house a day after one of their parties and the place was a mess. Toilet overflowing, dishes piled up, cigarette butts everywhere, burns on the furniture, and puke in the tub and a number of other places. He and a couple of the other roommates were lying down in the living room. My friend looked like crap.
Ecstasy does this to people.
Also good cops need a nose for these things, I say give it a try.
If you care that much, you definitely need to talk to him as soon as you can. Do absolutely whatever to help him, but if in the end he doesn't listen to you, I would just forget about him. You sound like you're pretty hurt from this, and if he doesn't use your help then I say fuck him, he's putting you in emotional stress, why should waste your time on a friend who doesn't care about your own feelings?
Wow, that's unfortunate. I can't imagine anyone wanting to live in those conditions, so if he's taking MDMA voluntarily it might be just to "get away" from reality. I don't really know much of the effects of MDMA so I wouldn't know if that's how it works, but if that's the case, I'm sure he would appreciate any help. He might've given up at this point, so just showing him that you care about him and wish to help him might of huge help to him.
I would try talking to him about it when he isn't high or with his buddies, and see how that goes. I don't know what I would do beyond that, but it seems relatively harmless, and I think you should do this before you do anything more extreme.
On May 07 2010 04:25 leetchaos wrote: Sounds like its time to remind him of that promise.
You just know that hes gonna reply to this that it is not a problem and that he just does it when he wants too and such. Addicts never want to accept help until they admit that what they are doing is a problem.
If he went to a rave on X it won't make sense to him going without it anymore. It's just not comparable once you've tried it, redefines the music and everything else. And if he plans on living with those guys he is definitely going to try other things. At the moment he is having the best time of his life and I don't think you can change anything here.
Ecstasy isn't addictive, right? and from what i've heard it's not very dangerous compared to many other drugs. But from what u're describing he got more problems than just ecstasy so i REALLY think you should try to do something about it, My advice is to ask someone with professional experience with drug addicts and tell him/her about your worries and hopefully you can get some good advice how to go on from there.
I've done mdma and tranquilizers with friends before. I wouldn't be too worried about him getting fucked off mdma, however I don't do it anymore because you can never know whats in the pills. I've heard they cut filthy shit into them like meth and stuff. I view it as more of a recreational drug because my friends have done it quite a bit and never have been addicted in any sort of way or shown signs of damage or anything from it. I view tranquilizers the same way (ketamine I assume?) but i've never had any prolonged experiences with them, only tried it once and my friends have only tried it a few times.
Its the other shit they are bringing in that I would get worried about. If he starts getting bored of mdma and hits up the meth then you have problems, and it sounds like there's a possibility that might happen.
I'm not sure what I would do in your shoes since people in positions like this are notoriously stubborn. See if you can talk to him and talk about how far he is going to go with drugs and just do what you feel is right I guess.
not sure mdma is the issue here - seems more like the company he's keeping, a consequence of his work ethic. mdma is one of the relatively easy drugs to use responsibly but the other shit you listed with the exception of acid sound really, really stupid to be doing. doubly so because he has no source of income!
i don't think a talk about the drugs will change anything. best bet is to convince him of the need to move out first and go from there, at this point living with his parents is better than where he is now
Best thing to do is to help him, idk how but it is always worth a try to get his parents informed so they would also try and help him too. Unless you want to see your friend die in a puddle of foam someday.... which isn't nice.
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