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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7851 Posts
April 14 2010 22:31 GMT
#1
Does anyone else get excited about the possibility of a ForGG v Kal match up in the round of 4? ^^. I know I do, I would love to see these guys best of 5 again, especially since it seems like ForGG is showing some flair again. Granted Kal isn't in the Ro8 for sure yet, but it seems like a strong possibility...


Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
April 14 2010 22:45 GMT
#2
TIMING ATTACKUUUU

I would love to see it :D
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9803 Posts
April 14 2010 23:00 GMT
#3
ForGG Flash finals would be really funny, lol

if it comes to that i'm predicting 3-1 ForGG

Kal vs ForGG, eh. it depends, i'll watch any game forgg has, but its preferable that he wins
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
April 14 2010 23:02 GMT
#4
On April 15 2010 07:31 Vasoline73 wrote:
Does anyone else get excited about the possibility of a ForGG v Kal match up in the round of 4? ^^. I know I do, I would love to see these guys best of 5 again, especially since it seems like ForGG is showing some flair again. Granted Kal isn't in the Ro8 for sure yet, but it seems like a strong possibility...


Who would want that?... ME!!!


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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8168 Posts
April 14 2010 23:05 GMT
#5
only problem is that kal is now easily the best protoss in the world and forgg sorta sucks
Free Palestine
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
April 14 2010 23:35 GMT
#6
omg i'd love to see scouts used again in a high caliber game

but i agree with idea. Kal is shaping up to be the most solid P in the world
and ForGG is kinda bad
cw)minsean(ru
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
April 14 2010 23:53 GMT
#7
Don't EVER count out the Conquerer. (Jung k Bung k).
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7851 Posts
April 14 2010 23:55 GMT
#8
I'm pretty sure ForGG v Kal would be 3-2 for either player. Kal is not as good as everyone thinks (although his results have been great and he's a great player) and ForGG is not as bad as everyone thinks (especially not in a series!)

That said, I could be biased hahaha
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8168 Posts
April 14 2010 23:55 GMT
#9
On April 15 2010 08:35 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
omg i'd love to see scouts used again in a high caliber game

but i agree with idea. Kal is shaping up to be the most solid P in the world
and ForGG is kinda bad


kal actually used them vs hiya in the MSL a little bit ago lol
Free Palestine
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8168 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-14 23:56:05
April 14 2010 23:55 GMT
#10
On April 15 2010 08:55 Vasoline73 wrote:
I'm pretty sure ForGG v Kal would be 3-2 for either player. Kal is not as good as everyone thinks (although his results have been great and he's a great player) and ForGG is not as bad as everyone thinks (especially not in a series!)

That said, I could be biased hahaha



no. Kal is better than most people think he is, and forgg is much worth than most people think he is (especially KT fans lol).
Free Palestine
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
April 14 2010 23:58 GMT
#11
Yeah Kal has done really well the last three times he's played Flash. Given ForGG's limited repertoire and questionable condition it's pretty unlikely he could take more than a game off Kal.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
April 15 2010 00:23 GMT
#12
On April 15 2010 08:55 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 08:35 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
omg i'd love to see scouts used again in a high caliber game

but i agree with idea. Kal is shaping up to be the most solid P in the world
and ForGG is kinda bad


kal actually used them vs hiya in the MSL a little bit ago lol

did he?
i think i missed him

the current MSL or the previous?
cw)minsean(ru
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8168 Posts
April 15 2010 00:48 GMT
#13
On April 15 2010 09:23 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 08:55 Ideas wrote:
On April 15 2010 08:35 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
omg i'd love to see scouts used again in a high caliber game

but i agree with idea. Kal is shaping up to be the most solid P in the world
and ForGG is kinda bad


kal actually used them vs hiya in the MSL a little bit ago lol

did he?
i think i missed him

the current MSL or the previous?


yes the current MSL in the Ro32.
Free Palestine
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 01:53:37
April 15 2010 01:48 GMT
#14
On April 15 2010 08:05 Ideas wrote:
only problem is that kal is now easily the best protoss in the world and forgg sorta sucks


Easily? I doubt that. He is up there for sure. Kal, to me is the old Leta. He will crush almost everyone he is supposed to beat, but toss him into someone with equal or greater skill, he always disappoints. Stork on the otherhand, loses to scrubs here and there but when he goes up against S-class, he can pull it off. Flash, Jaedong anyone?

Shuttle is moving up the list and Movie's control is getting better and better. Free is also doing very well. He is like in between Kal and Stork in the sense that he is upset less than Stork, more than Kal, but takes out less top players than Stork but more than Kal.

But still, as of how things look right now, being the best protoss is not saying much.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 15 2010 02:13 GMT
#15
On April 15 2010 10:48 lone_hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 08:05 Ideas wrote:
only problem is that kal is now easily the best protoss in the world and forgg sorta sucks


Easily? I doubt that. He is up there for sure. Kal, to me is the old Leta. He will crush almost everyone he is supposed to beat, but toss him into someone with equal or greater skill, he always disappoints.


Find me someone, anyone else who made Flash look vulnerable like that in the game last night and two nights ago in Proleague.

Easily best Protoss lol.
TranslatorBaa!
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 03:18:07
April 15 2010 03:07 GMT
#16
On April 15 2010 11:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 10:48 lone_hydra wrote:
On April 15 2010 08:05 Ideas wrote:
only problem is that kal is now easily the best protoss in the world and forgg sorta sucks


Easily? I doubt that. He is up there for sure. Kal, to me is the old Leta. He will crush almost everyone he is supposed to beat, but toss him into someone with equal or greater skill, he always disappoints.


Find me someone, anyone else who made Flash look vulnerable like that in the game last night and two nights ago in Proleague.

Easily best Protoss lol.


Look at his records though. When was the last time he actually beat another top player? FBH makes Flash look vulnerable sometimes. I know Kal has strong gameplay but he cannot deliver results versus top players.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 03:13:03
April 15 2010 03:11 GMT
#17
So basically you don't actually watch any of his games you just look at TLPD and go "hurp he's 5-5 with wins against scrubs."

If you've actually seen his games you'll see that he plays extremely, extremely solid Starcraft. Compare his play to Stork vs. Hwasin last night - Stork, long known as being solid and steady, made so many mistakes, and this has been going on in many of his games. Kal, on the other hand, makes very few mistakes and all his losses were straight up good play from the winner and solid play from Kal.

(OK the game against great was kinda facepalm, but that's like one game :3)

I don't think anyone who has seen Kal's recent games and other Protosses' recent games will argue for Kal being anything but top Protoss.
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lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 03:35:48
April 15 2010 03:26 GMT
#18
On April 15 2010 12:11 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
So basically you don't actually watch any of his games you just look at TLPD and go "hurp he's 5-5 with wins against scrubs."

If you've actually seen his games you'll see that he plays extremely, extremely solid Starcraft. Compare his play to Stork vs. Hwasin last night - Stork, long known as being solid and steady, made so many mistakes, and this has been going on in many of his games. Kal, on the other hand, makes very few mistakes and all his losses were straight up good play from the winner and solid play from Kal.

(OK the game against great was kinda facepalm, but that's like one game :3)

I don't think anyone who has seen Kal's recent games and other Protosses' recent games will argue for Kal being anything but top Protoss.


Shuttle? Movie? Free? Have you watched their games? Their play easily rivals Kal. When was the last time Kal beat Jaedong or Flash, Stork, Bisu etc? So what if you bring top game vs. Flash? So many people play so good vs. Flash cause they practice so hard for him. Even Jaehoon, Kwanro, FBH, almost beat Flash. I am not saying Kal sucks. But saying Kal is By Far the best protoss is wrong. He is strongly in the competition with the fall of Bisu.

But playing good against winners is not enough, you gotta beat the winners.
And yes, I watch many of his games along with many other tosses. His play is good, but there is no way is it, at least not noticeably, better than other decent tosses now.

Stork taking games off Jaedong and Flash while Kal loses over and over again not count for anything? Btw, I agree Kal's play looks more solid than Storks, but the difference in results offsets that.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 15 2010 04:22 GMT
#19
We're talking top Protoss right now - Stork is in no condition to take a game off Flash or Jaedong.

Movie is terrible. Look at his PvPs and PvTs - it's very shaky and easy to exploit. Even in his PvZ, he was in serious danger of losing to Hogil whereas in, for example, Kal vs. Kwanro, Kal just controlled the game straight up from the minute it started and never gave his opponent a chance. Compare Kal vs. Flash to Shuttle vs. Flash in WL to see the vT different. Shuttle is probably better at continuous macro than Kal, but is still overall the weaker player.
TranslatorBaa!
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 04:31:08
April 15 2010 04:29 GMT
#20
what im hoping for is a Hydra vs BaBy finals
with Hydra winning
i doubt Kal will lead Toss anywhere :l. he will always be #2
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
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