• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:46
CEST 18:46
KST 01:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"2ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!28Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)94
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format What's the best tug of war? Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Star Con San Diego 2026 BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Diablo IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10946 users

[Gold 1v1] ZvZ FE Roach vs 1 Base Roach

Blogs > Celial
Post a Reply
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-04 18:37:44
April 04 2010 18:30 GMT
#1
http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/725
http://www.sc2rc.com/index.php/replay/show/726

So, in my last post I mentioned my opinion on openings for ZvZ. The above two replays show, that the common FE roach opening is far too inferior to a 1 base roach play. In the Metalopolis game my opponent was marked as slightly favored, in the LT game me.

Basically, I can put so much more pressure on him from early on. Kiting the defending roaches out of sunken range is essential in the first few moments, but once you get like 3 more roaches than him you can be a bit more aggressive. Also, most Zergs suck at sunken placement so you may try to run up the ramp. Queens are no match for roaches, so if you feel comfortable taking on his roach army, you don't have to worry about queens.

You would be able to stall a 1 base roach push by playing mass lings and rushing to lair for hydras, though. The ideal counter to THAT would in turn be a defensive roach FE I think, but I was never in a position to try that out.

Enjoy. GGs.

Edit: Also, I am fucking around a bit with my extractor and pool timings, and I think the build on Metalopolis was a bit too early gas/pool. I was worried for a moment when he outmassed me, but queen saved my ass (I absolutely LOVE the infusion).

Edit 2: Also, after the initial roach push it would be easy to take a double expo while keeping the pressure on him from 1 base roaches (with infusion). Although double expo would require him to be too afraid to move out for like 5 minutes so the eco can kick in, so I think standard expo would be recommended.

Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
April 04 2010 22:10 GMT
#2
On April 05 2010 03:30 Celial wrote:
Basically, I can put so much more pressure on him from early on. Kiting the defending roaches out of sunken range is essential in the first few moments, but once you get like 3 more roaches than him you can be a bit more aggressive. Also, most Zergs suck at sunken placement so you may try to run up the ramp. Queens are no match for roaches, so if you feel comfortable taking on his roach army, you don't have to worry about queens.

.



defending roaches out sunken range? what do u mean ._.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
April 04 2010 22:15 GMT
#3
On April 05 2010 07:10 LuDwig- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2010 03:30 Celial wrote:
Basically, I can put so much more pressure on him from early on. Kiting the defending roaches out of sunken range is essential in the first few moments, but once you get like 3 more roaches than him you can be a bit more aggressive. Also, most Zergs suck at sunken placement so you may try to run up the ramp. Queens are no match for roaches, so if you feel comfortable taking on his roach army, you don't have to worry about queens.

.



defending roaches out sunken range? what do u mean ._.


as in he engages the opponents roaches but opponent has a spine so he kites out of spine range while still attacking the roaches.
☆★☆ 7486!!! Join the Ban mOnion Anti-Trolling Initiative! - Caller | "on a scale of machine to 10, how bad is that Zerg?" - LZgamer | you are the new tl.net bonjwa monion, congrats - Rekrul | "Cheeseburgers dynamite lilacs" - Chill
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Platinum Heroes Events
16:00
PHSC2 Tour S26 Cup #6
RotterdaM382
Liquipedia
Online Event
15:00
Yamato Cup #7
killerbeecast22
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 544
RotterdaM 382
Harstem 333
elazer 160
ProTech87
BRAT_OK 52
MindelVK 13
EmSc Tv 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2139
Shuttle 2058
Mini 625
Sharp 160
Soulkey 111
ggaemo 103
Mind 61
Sexy 48
Free 44
soO 43
[ Show more ]
Rock 19
Shine 18
HiyA 17
IntoTheRainbow 15
zelot 12
yabsab 10
firebathero 0
Dota 2
420jenkins1197
monkeys_forever72
Counter-Strike
fl0m4875
byalli994
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu522
Khaldor507
Other Games
singsing1507
B2W.Neo1213
ArmadaUGS81
Mew2King75
Livibee71
Beastyqt7
Organizations
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 230
angryscii 18
EmSc Tv 1
EmSc2Tv 1
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 45
• Airneanach6
• Reevou 2
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix12
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1942
Other Games
• WagamamaTV317
• Shiphtur159
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
18h 14m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 17h
INu's Battles
1d 18h
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
OSC
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.