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The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
April 01 2010 18:40 GMT
#61
i like this country...-_-; there are worse leaders than American leaders all over the world...I bet American leaders are 1000x better compared to leaders in korea
so much corruption....
2010 worldcup!! corea fighting!!!
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43966 Posts
April 01 2010 18:41 GMT
#62
On April 02 2010 03:37 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 03:26 Underwhelmed wrote:
Without getting into ethical/moral arguments, the US' defense budget is large because the US has global commitments that no other nation has - this includes keeping sea lanes free, making sure friendly countries don't get invaded, etc. Essentially, if the US stopped shouldering the burden, then other countries would have to take up the slack. Based on what would be ideal for keeping our commitments, the US military is actually undersized.


Nonsense and assumptions. Who are we protecting Japan and Germany from with 100,000 troops between the two, for example? The notion that if we don't occupy the entire world nobody is safe is fallacy

Japan isn't allowed an army in their constitution. If you didn't garrison it I'd invade it in a shot.
To be honest I feel safer knowing Japan is defended by American soldiers rather than Japanese. American soldiers may have a stereotypically bad reputation but Japanese have a rather worse one historically.
As for Germany, Cold War legacy, it takes forever for the army to catch up.
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notsoeloquent
Profile Joined March 2010
United States64 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 03:51:08
April 01 2010 18:43 GMT
#63
all this time, I've lived in hope of telling you how sorry I am, I've fought armies, just to have this chance, but now, there's nothing I can say that's good enough
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
April 01 2010 18:45 GMT
#64
A lot of that is taken out of context

1) American Soldiers are one of the best paid in the world
2) A lot of that is DoD R&D spending. Universities receive a lot of portions of DoD money.
3) For those comparing it to, say education spending, you're morons. Education is on the shoulders of the state - Education spending far exceeds that of military spending, nearly 1.1 trillion.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
April 01 2010 18:45 GMT
#65
April fools... nicely veiled
C'est la vie...
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-01 18:49:31
April 01 2010 18:47 GMT
#66
On April 02 2010 03:27 7mk wrote:
Are there really 50 000 american soldiers in germany? Are you sure thats true cause that sounds really ridiculous.

Yes, where do you live? One of their casernes is like 300m from my apartment
Not that I do mind, most people here like to have them around.
sctechie
Profile Joined March 2010
United States11 Posts
April 01 2010 18:48 GMT
#67
On April 02 2010 03:26 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 03:23 Maenander wrote:
On April 02 2010 02:46 sctechie wrote:
Wow, did anyone even bother to read the article?

You should be ashamed of yourself Louder for misrepresenting what was said in that piece so you could rag on the US a bit.


The article was pretty much a joke. It starts with "Who really spends the most on their armed forces?" and then proceeds to show that - even percentage-wise - no single decent country spends more on its military than the US.

At this point the author notices, that this is not what he wanted to show. He proceeds to distract the readership with stories about countries like Burma and Eritrea, and the number of soldiers, all of which don't matter for the initial question at all.

Yes, 4% of the GDP is fucking huge, especially for a civilized, wealthy and technologically advanced country like the USA. The numbers speak for themselves, no matter what the author tells us, and I guess that's why Louder linked the article.


Yes. I thought it was pretty obvious. It was about the numbers, not the idiot author with obvious bias.


*sigh* I'm not even getting into it. What is the author's bias exactly, pretty sure the article started out referencing UK defense spending cuts. What exactly that has to do with bias towards the US, I'm not sure.

You're no better than the "tea party' party people. Misinformation is the same regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum.



Killing n00bs since 99
Gnaix
Profile Joined February 2009
United States438 Posts
April 01 2010 18:49 GMT
#68
Fucking read the article people. It's an April Fools joke. He's making an ass of you if you tell him he's retarded because you're retarded for not reading it.
one thing that sc2 has over bw is the fact that I can actually manage my hotkeys
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43966 Posts
April 01 2010 18:52 GMT
#69
On April 02 2010 03:48 sctechie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 03:26 Louder wrote:
On April 02 2010 03:23 Maenander wrote:
On April 02 2010 02:46 sctechie wrote:
Wow, did anyone even bother to read the article?

You should be ashamed of yourself Louder for misrepresenting what was said in that piece so you could rag on the US a bit.


The article was pretty much a joke. It starts with "Who really spends the most on their armed forces?" and then proceeds to show that - even percentage-wise - no single decent country spends more on its military than the US.

At this point the author notices, that this is not what he wanted to show. He proceeds to distract the readership with stories about countries like Burma and Eritrea, and the number of soldiers, all of which don't matter for the initial question at all.

Yes, 4% of the GDP is fucking huge, especially for a civilized, wealthy and technologically advanced country like the USA. The numbers speak for themselves, no matter what the author tells us, and I guess that's why Louder linked the article.


Yes. I thought it was pretty obvious. It was about the numbers, not the idiot author with obvious bias.


*sigh* I'm not even getting into it. What is the author's bias exactly, pretty sure the article started out referencing UK defense spending cuts. What exactly that has to do with bias towards the US, I'm not sure.

You're no better than the "tea party' party people. Misinformation is the same regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum.




lol
It brings up the UK because it's a British newspaper. As the man keeps saying, JUST READ THE DAMN NUMBERS.
The reason he linked the article was to show the comparisons in numbers. lol
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
April 01 2010 18:52 GMT
#70
Louder actually feels this way so it would be a really unfunny joke if it was. Some of you obviously dont know him or havent read his numerous posts here =)

Now if he said he converted to christianity or was a republican....that would be an april fools joke
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agorist
Profile Joined July 2009
United States115 Posts
April 01 2010 18:53 GMT
#71
On April 02 2010 03:05 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 02:02 michael. wrote:
LOL. Thanks for generalizing all of us Americans in such an incorrect fashion. All I ever hear from people in the US is that we suck and that we should be more like Europe. Maybe you just happen to be around a lot of blind super nationalists but I find that unlikely.


I live in Texas. So yeah, it's pretty likely. At softball games for my daughter I hear the other parents talking about arranging a local 'tea party' chapter. Not that a one of them have any idea what the actual Boston Tea Party was about, or how absurd the current 'Tea Party' movement actually is.

Did you know that in America, people who don't believe in God are considered, by the general population, to be even less trustworthy than Blacks and Homosexuals? For a country well known for racism and homophobia, that's quite a thing.



I'm particularly thrilled you've identified issues with our society -- however, I've always been rather disappointed with you proposed solutions.

There's nothing wrong about the tea-party movement; it represents a rather large swathe of government dissent -- some good, some bad. It's a very "American" movement, which, I think you'd agree with. And as a segment of popular culture, sure, it's going to be filled with many buffoons.

You don't like wealth disparity -- sure, nobody likes unnatural wealth disparity. It doesn't help that our government is actively funneling money into the hands of the ultra-rich, but there was always an alternative. Ask yourself why as governments grow larger and more powerful we keep ending up with (as a world economy) an ultra rich demographic that is accruing more and more wealth.

First, in their favor -- their wealth just doesn't sit and rot in some castle. They make money by investing and placing their money in places where it will provide some return. This is only possible by offering some service or product that society deems wanted. The problem with is that in many ways their earned wealth comes from involuntary means -- government subsidy, government bailout, and/or government monopoly.

You're right about one thing -- these lucky individuals maintain their status quo by utilizing government to their advantage. But, the knee-jerk reaction to utilize government to chastise these individuals and impose some form of egalitarianism is just as flawed and immoral as their reign of manipulation and will only end up serving their benefit, or, leave us all in a less fortunate situation.

Reducing military spending (which I'm all for) should not be pursued in order to spend money elsewhere. It is time we stop spoonfeeding the parasitic class and their lackeys.
sctechie
Profile Joined March 2010
United States11 Posts
April 01 2010 18:54 GMT
#72
On April 02 2010 03:38 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 03:14 sctechie wrote:
On April 02 2010 03:09 Boblion wrote:
On April 02 2010 02:59 BlackJack wrote:
I'm no history buff but I would wager that the last 100 years have been some of the most peaceful years of all of mankind's existence.

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Spot on bro.


Someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006259.html

It's a shame I had to stop lurking at TL after all these years to post in some stupid 'blog' forum post with a bunch of uneducated fools.


Just because Steve Pinker said the world is getting more peaceful doesn't mean anyone who doesn't think that is uneducated.
The 20th century has seen countless genocides, mass murders and the invention of total war. It has seen biological warfare unleashed on the Chinese, nuclear warfare on the Japanese and millions dying in genocide. I personally think Steve Pinker's an idiot and I'd go so far as to say you're an idiot for linking him without in any way adding thoughts or analysis of your own.


Ehh, words are cheap on the internet. So, here's Prof. Pinker's bio from his own website:

"Steven Pinker is Harvard College Professor and Johnstone Family Professor in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University. Until 2003, he taught in the Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences at MIT. He conducts research on language and cognition, writes for publications such as the New York Times, Time, and The New Republic, and is the author of seven books, including The Language Instinct, How the Mind Works, Words and Rules, The Blank Slate, and most recently, The Stuff of Thought: Language as a Window into Human Nature."

Regardless of your OPINION on his work (your own research would be what?), I don't think you can call him an idiot. However, I am perfectly justified calling people on the internet who obviously don't know what they are talking about idiots. Take 30 seconds, go find me a link supporting your viewpoint and I'll be happy to read it. I like to educate myself.

So, I prefer to go with someone who actually knows what they are talking about rather than just another internet 'tough guy'. Thanks.
Killing n00bs since 99
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-01 19:00:49
April 01 2010 18:56 GMT
#73
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2010 03:14 sctechie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 03:09 Boblion wrote:
On April 02 2010 02:59 BlackJack wrote:
I'm no history buff but I would wager that the last 100 years have been some of the most peaceful years of all of mankind's existence.

[image loading]


[image loading]


[image loading]


Spot on bro.


Someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006259.html

It's a shame I had to stop lurking at TL after all these years to post in some stupid 'blog' forum post with a bunch of uneducated fools.



I don't really think you can come to a conclusion that the last 100 years have been more peaceful then any other 100 year time span throughout history. In the article you linked the author for the most part only talks about a decrease in violence in regards to capital punishment, he mentions Darfur and Iraq but fails to mention WW1, WW2, the Holocaust, the genocies commited by the Ottoman Empire/Turkey, and many many many other violent events.

All this article concludes is that there is a decrease in violence with regards to capital punishment. Not that there has been a decrease in violence in the last 100 years.

Edit: Also learn some fucking respect, if you don't like blogs or conversing with people who post on blogs dont fucking read it.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 01 2010 19:00 GMT
#74
lol I love America and I'm very grateful to live in this great country.
MuscLe
Profile Joined January 2009
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-01 19:08:55
April 01 2010 19:08 GMT
#75
Stop crying about it and do something about it. Everyone cries about this and that but has no balls to do something about it. Then you get some nerd like yourself who will post some bullshit on a gaming website. It takes a real person to try to stand up rather then crying and posting on a starcraft website. Do something with your life then cry and play starcraft. Your over 25+ years old, time to move on. But it'll be hard since you have no friends in real life, only SC. Thats why maybe you haven't left yet. Useless sperm egg that made it. Awesome. Dont even care if this is April fools, you should still get a life.
Find a way to win.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-01 19:12:42
April 01 2010 19:11 GMT
#76
We have like 120+ military bases in other countries.
We also have a long history if intervening in other countries but seem to be just offended if anyone even suggests some sort of check to the US international will.
The post is well justified, and its also true that more than half of Americans share this view of "the rest of the world is fucked up, and apparently just needs us to invade them etc to teach them lessons."

Lastly, I will state that the US is the worlds leading terrorist state, being responsible for more civilian deaths in each period of the last 10, 20, 30 and 40 years than any other nation or group.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
sctechie
Profile Joined March 2010
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-01 19:17:34
April 01 2010 19:13 GMT
#77
On April 02 2010 03:56 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2010 03:14 sctechie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 03:09 Boblion wrote:
On April 02 2010 02:59 BlackJack wrote:
I'm no history buff but I would wager that the last 100 years have been some of the most peaceful years of all of mankind's existence.

[image loading]


[image loading]


[image loading]


Spot on bro.


Someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006259.html

It's a shame I had to stop lurking at TL after all these years to post in some stupid 'blog' forum post with a bunch of uneducated fools.



I don't really think you can come to a conclusion that the last 100 years have been more peaceful then any other 100 year time span throughout history. In the article you linked the author for the most part only talks about a decrease in violence in regards to capital punishment, he mentions Darfur and Iraq but fails to mention WW1, WW2, the Holocaust, the genocies commited by the Ottoman Empire/Turkey, and many many many other violent events.

All this article concludes is that there is a decrease in violence with regards to capital punishment. Not that there has been a decrease in violence in the last 100 years.

Edit: Also learn some fucking respect, if you don't like blogs or conversing with people who post on blogs dont fucking read it.


Here, I did your work for you. Another piece that has an opposing viewpoint.

http://mises.org/resources/2674

BTW, I wasn't drawing any conclusions. I was responding to some guy that posted a couple of inflammatory pictures as evidence of some larger point that we live in the most violent time in the history of the world. What I was trying to point out, is that the issue is a lot more nuanced than a bunch of pictures from 60 (yes SIXTY) years ago.



Killing n00bs since 99
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
April 01 2010 19:25 GMT
#78
On April 02 2010 04:11 cursor wrote:
Lastly, I will state that the US is the worlds leading terrorist state, being responsible for more civilian deaths in each period of the last 10, 20, 30 and 40 years than any other nation or group.

[citation needed]
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
April 01 2010 19:29 GMT
#79
On April 02 2010 03:53 agorist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 03:05 Louder wrote:
On April 02 2010 02:02 michael. wrote:
LOL. Thanks for generalizing all of us Americans in such an incorrect fashion. All I ever hear from people in the US is that we suck and that we should be more like Europe. Maybe you just happen to be around a lot of blind super nationalists but I find that unlikely.


I live in Texas. So yeah, it's pretty likely. At softball games for my daughter I hear the other parents talking about arranging a local 'tea party' chapter. Not that a one of them have any idea what the actual Boston Tea Party was about, or how absurd the current 'Tea Party' movement actually is.

Did you know that in America, people who don't believe in God are considered, by the general population, to be even less trustworthy than Blacks and Homosexuals? For a country well known for racism and homophobia, that's quite a thing.



I'm particularly thrilled you've identified issues with our society -- however, I've always been rather disappointed with you proposed solutions.

There's nothing wrong about the tea-party movement; it represents a rather large swathe of government dissent -- some good, some bad. It's a very "American" movement, which, I think you'd agree with. And as a segment of popular culture, sure, it's going to be filled with many buffoons.

You don't like wealth disparity -- sure, nobody likes unnatural wealth disparity. It doesn't help that our government is actively funneling money into the hands of the ultra-rich, but there was always an alternative. Ask yourself why as governments grow larger and more powerful we keep ending up with (as a world economy) an ultra rich demographic that is accruing more and more wealth.

First, in their favor -- their wealth just doesn't sit and rot in some castle. They make money by investing and placing their money in places where it will provide some return. This is only possible by offering some service or product that society deems wanted. The problem with is that in many ways their earned wealth comes from involuntary means -- government subsidy, government bailout, and/or government monopoly.

You're right about one thing -- these lucky individuals maintain their status quo by utilizing government to their advantage. But, the knee-jerk reaction to utilize government to chastise these individuals and impose some form of egalitarianism is just as flawed and immoral as their reign of manipulation and will only end up serving their benefit, or, leave us all in a less fortunate situation.

Reducing military spending (which I'm all for) should not be pursued in order to spend money elsewhere. It is time we stop spoonfeeding the parasitic class and their lackeys.


I do think cutting military spending and shifting money elsewhere is a legitimate part of a larger solution. My original blog post is more about the American mindset and why it makes America suck. The Tea Party movement is certainly American in it's ignorance - any number of polls taken at events across the country demonstrate that they didn't even know what the proposed health care legislation was going to do - they just opposed it. The Reaganites and their "any government is bad government" line are clearly people so far detached from reality that there is simply no validity to their opinions.

The notion that the wealthy re-invest in society is not entirely true. Capitalism at large relies on the idealistic assumption that there is a fair balance of power between the provider and the purchaser of a good or service, between the employer and the job holder. I don't think I need to provide evidence that this assumption is false - but if I do, look at worker conditions in the industrial revolution in this country. It's a perfect example of wage slavery. Building on that, you have the wealthy class spreading wealth amongst itself, accumulating wealth, and not allowing wealth to trickle down in any way. They re-invest to the extent it directly benefits them, and only them - often in ways that directly harm the lower classes. Current mortgage derivative and credit default swap induced economic crisis is a case in point.

Better yet, let's talk about privatization of government functions for the sole benefit of the wealthy. Privatizing the prison system, for example, has been demonstrated to raise cost, and also raise the incarceration rates. It's no coincidence that when the drug war really heated up in the early 90s, privatization was just getting rolling. Defense, health care, penal system, corporate welfare (bank bailouts? omfg) - it's an endless pattern of misuse and abuse of public wealth for the benefit of the upper class. And poor people everywhere are convinced these things are good, simply because they are convinced government is bad, therefore privatization is automatically good. Same for regulations and so forth.


But as long as Americans have their TV, their assault rifles, their wars to cheer with blind patriotism, and their superstitious religion, and the carrot on a stick showing them that "yes you too can be rich and powerful", there will always be a status quo that is owned entirely by the wealthy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43966 Posts
April 01 2010 19:30 GMT
#80
On April 02 2010 03:54 sctechie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 03:38 KwarK wrote:
On April 02 2010 03:14 sctechie wrote:
On April 02 2010 03:09 Boblion wrote:
On April 02 2010 02:59 BlackJack wrote:
I'm no history buff but I would wager that the last 100 years have been some of the most peaceful years of all of mankind's existence.

[image loading]


[image loading]


[image loading]


Spot on bro.


Someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006259.html

It's a shame I had to stop lurking at TL after all these years to post in some stupid 'blog' forum post with a bunch of uneducated fools.


Just because Steve Pinker said the world is getting more peaceful doesn't mean anyone who doesn't think that is uneducated.
The 20th century has seen countless genocides, mass murders and the invention of total war. It has seen biological warfare unleashed on the Chinese, nuclear warfare on the Japanese and millions dying in genocide. I personally think Steve Pinker's an idiot and I'd go so far as to say you're an idiot for linking him without in any way adding thoughts or analysis of your own.


Ehh, words are cheap on the internet. So, here's Prof. Pinker's bio from his own website:

"Steven Pinker is Harvard College Professor and Johnstone Family Professor in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University. Until 2003, he taught in the Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences at MIT. He conducts research on language and cognition, writes for publications such as the New York Times, Time, and The New Republic, and is the author of seven books, including The Language Instinct, How the Mind Works, Words and Rules, The Blank Slate, and most recently, The Stuff of Thought: Language as a Window into Human Nature."

Regardless of your OPINION on his work (your own research would be what?), I don't think you can call him an idiot. However, I am perfectly justified calling people on the internet who obviously don't know what they are talking about idiots. Take 30 seconds, go find me a link supporting your viewpoint and I'll be happy to read it. I like to educate myself.

So, I prefer to go with someone who actually knows what they are talking about rather than just another internet 'tough guy'. Thanks.

Which part of that qualified him on military history?
Appeals to authority are a great logical fallacy to employ but it's normal to appeal to an authority within the field of the argument. Otherwise I could just counter your argument with Gandalf.
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