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love1another
United States1844 Posts
Clearly this is not a viable strat, as this is impossible to do without getting scouted... unless you're playing against an opponent like me who was in "oh well, good macro practice" mode. http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=33765 Anyway... it's a pretty funny game... and sort of goes to show how much I really suck! <3 Edit: There should be no apostrophe in BCs, could mod fix?   | ||
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dasanivan
United States532 Posts
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Denotate
Canada294 Posts
I've had losses like this, where I just didn't bother to scan the Protoss main, and just when he's on the ropes he walks out with a set of carriers and pwns me. I guess I had less of an excuse though, since you might not have been able to get an obs in, whereas I just needed to click the right place... | ||
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beenizzle
United States141 Posts
 just mass expand b/c bc are slow and give him no map control. also you should be taking out any of his exp b/c he massed bc which like i said gives him no control of map. AND mostly you shouldve scouted him better especially if you where just waiting there for him to push out. always keep an eye on what your opponent is doing even if you have to suicide an observer or two. gl hf | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
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beenizzle
United States141 Posts
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minus_human
4784 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
And what is this "gas hack" you're talking about? | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
On March 27 2010 03:19 TheAntZ wrote: How do you not have arbiters at this point of the game? Lol, he did have arbiters. I've never heard of this gas hack, you sure he was hacking? On March 27 2010 02:44 beenizzle wrote: actually massing scouts would be hard considering you already have upgraded goons and a shit ton of gateways why not go goon./ht mix (it worked for me) i mean youd have to invest in a bunch of stargates and not to mention scout are what 350m and 150-200 gas somethign rediculous Scouts are 275/125, you're thinking of carriers. And though goon/templar rapes BC on open ground, if the guy has like 20 BC, he can use them on cliffs and over water, snipe templars with yamato, and generally be a bitch. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:47 minus_human wrote: Dark archons with mind control and feedback imho. This or just Stasis half of them and kill the other half | ||
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TeabagInsurance
Canada320 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:56 citi.zen wrote: That late in the game you should have enough arbitrers to stasis the lot of BCs. Some storms + dragoons and you're golden. this, and maybe DA for feedback/MC if terran is just camping above a ramp or something and the map is low on resources. scout/carrier will fuck you over as you will be behind in upgrades, you will be wanting to conserve your resources, and it will take a while to get a good sized army with proper upgrades. | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On March 27 2010 04:43 Hypnosis wrote: oh newbs! so so funny | ||
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SilentCrono
United States1420 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:27 beenizzle wrote: i doubt he gas hacked... especially if hes using anti hack for iccup. i didnt watch replay but ive had this happen. high templars are your best bet, you just gotta watch out if he has a sv w/ emp. to avoid emp maybe have ht in shuttle just mass expand b/c bc are slow and give him no map control. also you should be taking out any of his exp b/c he massed bc which like i said gives him no control of map. AND mostly you shouldve scouted him better especially if you where just waiting there for him to push out. always keep an eye on what your opponent is doing even if you have to suicide an observer or two. gl hf Watch. He gas hacked at 9:50. :p Repeatedly. By Gas hack, of course, I mean he used scv moving stack/attack. It's clearly banned in the ladder rules. But yeah... by that point, I was like. "Hmm... maybe I should mass scouts." but then I forgot. On March 27 2010 02:20 Denotate wrote: By gas hack, do you mean SCV stacking? . That is exactly what I mean. | ||
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Equaoh
Canada427 Posts
On March 27 2010 06:07 love1another wrote: Watch. He gas hacked at 9:50. :p Repeatedly. By Gas hack, of course, I mean he used scv moving stack/attack. It's clearly banned in the ladder rules. But yeah... by that point, I was like. "Hmm... maybe I should mass scouts." but then I forgot. Are you sure you don't have 'gas walk' (which can slide you through buildings) confused with 'mineral walk' (which is just moving workers to resources)? | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
right click on gas, shift right click on gas, shift a-move. It's absolutely clear he did this because if he did the stack through any legitimate methods, the workers immediately unstack upon attacking. As you can see... He took out 2 of my dragoons by stacking his scvs and then floating them over. | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
On March 27 2010 04:43 Hypnosis wrote: oh newbs! so so funny | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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baller
527 Posts
and then suddenly he does the scv stack bug which has no impact on the game whatsoever, and he has 20 BCs and beats you | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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SilentCrono
United States1420 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On March 27 2010 07:45 baller wrote: lol you had him "completely owned" and then suddenly he does the scv stack bug which has no impact on the game whatsoever, and he has 20 BCs and beats you thank you for giving me the joy of laughter | ||
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
Anyway, mass goons and DA/HT. | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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Denotate
Canada294 Posts
I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why! | ||
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Eben
United States769 Posts
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote: Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal? I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!  | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote: Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal? I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why! lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit. | ||
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Denotate
Canada294 Posts
On March 28 2010 07:43 love1another wrote: lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit. So my question is then: is it illegal according to Kespa? Game I'm thinking about: Flash vs Lucifer @ ~8:20 flash uses his drones to glitch the zealots while attacking them - isn't he using the glitch? | ||
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foxbearcheetah
United States50 Posts
On March 28 2010 09:55 Denotate wrote: So my question is then: is it illegal according to Kespa? Game I'm thinking about: Flash vs Lucifer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoqOIGSlW2c @ ~8:20 flash uses his drones to glitch the zealots while attacking them - isn't he using the glitch? lol first of all that's jaedong. second, that method is completely different from the gas stack bug. workers have zero collision when they are right clicked on geysers or minerals. jaedong simply right clicks different patches of minerals so they can phase through the zealots. the gas trick in that replay however, allows workers to attack in a clump all at once, which jaedong's method does not allow. | ||
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
basically you can get 12 stacked scvs to more around and stack attack. drilling by sending them to a mineral or gas is different because it breaks up right away. you can see a lot of the actual stack attack in fastest games lol. | ||
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Denotate
Canada294 Posts
On March 28 2010 10:41 foxbearcheetah wrote: lol first of all that's jaedong. second, that method is completely different from the gas stack bug. workers have zero collision when they are right clicked on geysers or minerals. jaedong simply right clicks different patches of minerals so they can phase through the zealots. the gas trick in that replay however, allows workers to attack in a clump all at once, which jaedong's method does not allow. Right, Jaedong. And thanks for clarifying the difference. | ||
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exeexe
Denmark937 Posts
+ 80 scvs = no ground army. anyway BCs are so easy to kill in pvt. If they stack, and u cast 1 single storm, imagine the amount of damage this 1 storm will do to 20 slowmoving battlecruisers hahaha | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On March 27 2010 03:19 Zurles wrote: pretty much every toss unit counters them, it's sweet. sept zealots. | ||
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