So I was playing this guy PvT on iccup. I had him completely owned, then he did gas-hack... repeatedly at which point I told him to leave since I was going to report him anyway. After that I sort of slipped into low gear... raping his expo attempts getting to 200/200 and sort of just waiting for him to do something. I got bored and decided to recall into his base... and what do I see? He has like 20 BC's??!?!?!?! LOL. He then proceeds to rape me.
Clearly this is not a viable strat, as this is impossible to do without getting scouted... unless you're playing against an opponent like me who was in "oh well, good macro practice" mode.
I've had losses like this, where I just didn't bother to scan the Protoss main, and just when he's on the ropes he walks out with a set of carriers and pwns me. I guess I had less of an excuse though, since you might not have been able to get an obs in, whereas I just needed to click the right place...
i doubt he gas hacked... especially if hes using anti hack for iccup. i didnt watch replay but ive had this happen. high templars are your best bet, you just gotta watch out if he has a sv w/ emp. to avoid emp maybe have ht in shuttle just mass expand b/c bc are slow and give him no map control. also you should be taking out any of his exp b/c he massed bc which like i said gives him no control of map. AND mostly you shouldve scouted him better especially if you where just waiting there for him to push out. always keep an eye on what your opponent is doing even if you have to suicide an observer or two. gl hf
actually massing scouts would be hard considering you already have upgraded goons and a shit ton of gateways why not go goon./ht mix (it worked for me) i mean youd have to invest in a bunch of stargates and not to mention scout are what 350m and 150-200 gas somethign rediculous
Ya, storm/goon rapes BCs hard. I would also suggest getting DAs for mind control because it just feels great to do. And what is this "gas hack" you're talking about?
On March 27 2010 03:19 TheAntZ wrote: How do you not have arbiters at this point of the game?
Lol, he did have arbiters. I've never heard of this gas hack, you sure he was hacking?
On March 27 2010 02:44 beenizzle wrote: actually massing scouts would be hard considering you already have upgraded goons and a shit ton of gateways why not go goon./ht mix (it worked for me) i mean youd have to invest in a bunch of stargates and not to mention scout are what 350m and 150-200 gas somethign rediculous
Scouts are 275/125, you're thinking of carriers. And though goon/templar rapes BC on open ground, if the guy has like 20 BC, he can use them on cliffs and over water, snipe templars with yamato, and generally be a bitch.
On March 27 2010 02:56 citi.zen wrote: That late in the game you should have enough arbitrers to stasis the lot of BCs. Some storms + dragoons and you're golden.
this, and maybe DA for feedback/MC if terran is just camping above a ramp or something and the map is low on resources.
scout/carrier will fuck you over as you will be behind in upgrades, you will be wanting to conserve your resources, and it will take a while to get a good sized army with proper upgrades.
On March 27 2010 02:27 beenizzle wrote: i doubt he gas hacked... especially if hes using anti hack for iccup. i didnt watch replay but ive had this happen. high templars are your best bet, you just gotta watch out if he has a sv w/ emp. to avoid emp maybe have ht in shuttle just mass expand b/c bc are slow and give him no map control. also you should be taking out any of his exp b/c he massed bc which like i said gives him no control of map. AND mostly you shouldve scouted him better especially if you where just waiting there for him to push out. always keep an eye on what your opponent is doing even if you have to suicide an observer or two. gl hf
Watch. He gas hacked at 9:50. :p Repeatedly. By Gas hack, of course, I mean he used scv moving stack/attack. It's clearly banned in the ladder rules. But yeah... by that point, I was like. "Hmm... maybe I should mass scouts." but then I forgot.
On March 27 2010 02:20 Denotate wrote: By gas hack, do you mean SCV stacking? .
On March 27 2010 06:07 love1another wrote: Watch. He gas hacked at 9:50. :p Repeatedly. By Gas hack, of course, I mean he used scv moving stack/attack. It's clearly banned in the ladder rules. But yeah... by that point, I was like. "Hmm... maybe I should mass scouts." but then I forgot.
Are you sure you don't have 'gas walk' (which can slide you through buildings) confused with 'mineral walk' (which is just moving workers to resources)?
I'm referring specifically to the following trick: right click on gas, shift right click on gas, shift a-move. It's absolutely clear he did this because if he did the stack through any legitimate methods, the workers immediately unstack upon attacking. As you can see... He took out 2 of my dragoons by stacking his scvs and then floating them over.
Watched the replay, don't know why you're calling it a hack, just an illegal exploit. Didn't really help him much at all, your goon micro was hilariously bad, his first tank was ridiculously late and seeing a legit win with bc's was awesome. ty. Seems totally viable if you deny scouting, other person is maxed with 9 goons:30 speedlots and keeps pumping speedlots and ht's after scouting it...Should call this build the Deep 5 :D
Lol. No. I lost :p And I did have him completely owned! It wasn't that the goon micro was hilariously bad. stacked scvs glitch goons so that they can't move once attacked. Try it. It was critical, because had he not done that he would not have been able to hold off the attack. Regarding the speedlots.... yes. Good point.
Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?
I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote: Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?
I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote: Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?
I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!
lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit.
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote: Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?
I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!
lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit.
So my question is then: is it illegal according to Kespa?
Game I'm thinking about: Flash vs Lucifer
@ ~8:20 flash uses his drones to glitch the zealots while attacking them - isn't he using the glitch?
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote: Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?
I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!
lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit.
So my question is then: is it illegal according to Kespa?
@ ~8:20 flash uses his drones to glitch the zealots while attacking them - isn't he using the glitch?
lol first of all that's jaedong. second, that method is completely different from the gas stack bug. workers have zero collision when they are right clicked on geysers or minerals. jaedong simply right clicks different patches of minerals so they can phase through the zealots. the gas trick in that replay however, allows workers to attack in a clump all at once, which jaedong's method does not allow.
whats illegal is the shift move thing someone talked about earlier in the thread.
basically you can get 12 stacked scvs to more around and stack attack. drilling by sending them to a mineral or gas is different because it breaks up right away.
you can see a lot of the actual stack attack in fastest games lol.
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote: Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?
I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!
lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit.
So my question is then: is it illegal according to Kespa?
@ ~8:20 flash uses his drones to glitch the zealots while attacking them - isn't he using the glitch?
lol first of all that's jaedong. second, that method is completely different from the gas stack bug. workers have zero collision when they are right clicked on geysers or minerals. jaedong simply right clicks different patches of minerals so they can phase through the zealots. the gas trick in that replay however, allows workers to attack in a clump all at once, which jaedong's method does not allow.
Right, Jaedong. And thanks for clarifying the difference.
anyway BCs are so easy to kill in pvt. If they stack, and u cast 1 single storm, imagine the amount of damage this 1 storm will do to 20 slowmoving battlecruisers hahaha