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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 16:49:35
March 26 2010 16:47 GMT
#1
So I was playing this guy PvT on iccup. I had him completely owned, then he did gas-hack... repeatedly at which point I told him to leave since I was going to report him anyway. After that I sort of slipped into low gear... raping his expo attempts getting to 200/200 and sort of just waiting for him to do something. I got bored and decided to recall into his base... and what do I see? He has like 20 BC's??!?!?!?! LOL. He then proceeds to rape me.

Clearly this is not a viable strat, as this is impossible to do without getting scouted... unless you're playing against an opponent like me who was in "oh well, good macro practice" mode.

http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=33765

Anyway... it's a pretty funny game... and sort of goes to show how much I really suck! <3

Edit: There should be no apostrophe in BCs, could mod fix?

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dasanivan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States532 Posts
March 26 2010 17:18 GMT
#2
you would have easily won if you massed absolutely any unit that attacks air instead of wasting all your gas on high templar :/
Denotate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada294 Posts
March 26 2010 17:20 GMT
#3
By gas hack, do you mean SCV stacking?

I've had losses like this, where I just didn't bother to scan the Protoss main, and just when he's on the ropes he walks out with a set of carriers and pwns me. I guess I had less of an excuse though, since you might not have been able to get an obs in, whereas I just needed to click the right place...
beenizzle
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States141 Posts
March 26 2010 17:27 GMT
#4
i doubt he gas hacked... especially if hes using anti hack for iccup. i didnt watch replay but ive had this happen. high templars are your best bet, you just gotta watch out if he has a sv w/ emp. to avoid emp maybe have ht in shuttle just mass expand b/c bc are slow and give him no map control. also you should be taking out any of his exp b/c he massed bc which like i said gives him no control of map. AND mostly you shouldve scouted him better especially if you where just waiting there for him to push out. always keep an eye on what your opponent is doing even if you have to suicide an observer or two. gl hf
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buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
March 26 2010 17:38 GMT
#5
Rofl this is where scouts actually become useful; mass scouts rape BCs pretty hard. You can also transition to gayriers after, it's win/win :D
beenizzle
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States141 Posts
March 26 2010 17:44 GMT
#6
actually massing scouts would be hard considering you already have upgraded goons and a shit ton of gateways why not go goon./ht mix (it worked for me) i mean youd have to invest in a bunch of stargates and not to mention scout are what 350m and 150-200 gas somethign rediculous
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 26 2010 17:47 GMT
#7
Dark archons with mind control and feedback imho.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 26 2010 17:56 GMT
#8
That late in the game you should have enough arbitrers to stasis the lot of BCs. Some storms + dragoons and you're golden.
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Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
March 26 2010 18:19 GMT
#9
pretty much every toss unit counters them, it's sweet. sept zealots.
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
March 26 2010 18:19 GMT
#10
Ya, storm/goon rapes BCs hard. I would also suggest getting DAs for mind control because it just feels great to do.
And what is this "gas hack" you're talking about?
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
March 26 2010 18:19 GMT
#11
How do you not have arbiters at this point of the game?
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buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 18:57:26
March 26 2010 18:41 GMT
#12
On March 27 2010 03:19 TheAntZ wrote:
How do you not have arbiters at this point of the game?


Lol, he did have arbiters. I've never heard of this gas hack, you sure he was hacking?

On March 27 2010 02:44 beenizzle wrote:
actually massing scouts would be hard considering you already have upgraded goons and a shit ton of gateways why not go goon./ht mix (it worked for me) i mean youd have to invest in a bunch of stargates and not to mention scout are what 350m and 150-200 gas somethign rediculous


Scouts are 275/125, you're thinking of carriers. And though goon/templar rapes BC on open ground, if the guy has like 20 BC, he can use them on cliffs and over water, snipe templars with yamato, and generally be a bitch.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
March 26 2010 19:03 GMT
#13
On March 27 2010 02:47 minus_human wrote:
Dark archons with mind control and feedback imho.


This

or just Stasis half of them and kill the other half
TeabagInsurance
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada320 Posts
March 26 2010 19:20 GMT
#14
On March 27 2010 02:56 citi.zen wrote:
That late in the game you should have enough arbitrers to stasis the lot of BCs. Some storms + dragoons and you're golden.

this, and maybe DA for feedback/MC if terran is just camping above a ramp or something and the map is low on resources.

scout/carrier will fuck you over as you will be behind in upgrades, you will be wanting to conserve your resources, and it will take a while to get a good sized army with proper upgrades.
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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
March 26 2010 19:43 GMT
#15
oh newbs! so so funny
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FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
March 26 2010 20:07 GMT
#16
so he had 6 o clock the whole game and dont think he cheating
skyhighftw on iccup
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
March 26 2010 20:45 GMT
#17
On March 27 2010 04:43 Hypnosis wrote:
oh newbs! so so funny

"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
March 26 2010 21:02 GMT
#18
what is gas hack?
♞ Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse. ♞
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 21:11:07
March 26 2010 21:07 GMT
#19
On March 27 2010 02:27 beenizzle wrote:
i doubt he gas hacked... especially if hes using anti hack for iccup. i didnt watch replay but ive had this happen. high templars are your best bet, you just gotta watch out if he has a sv w/ emp. to avoid emp maybe have ht in shuttle just mass expand b/c bc are slow and give him no map control. also you should be taking out any of his exp b/c he massed bc which like i said gives him no control of map. AND mostly you shouldve scouted him better especially if you where just waiting there for him to push out. always keep an eye on what your opponent is doing even if you have to suicide an observer or two. gl hf


Watch. He gas hacked at 9:50. :p Repeatedly. By Gas hack, of course, I mean he used scv moving stack/attack. It's clearly banned in the ladder rules. But yeah... by that point, I was like. "Hmm... maybe I should mass scouts." but then I forgot.

On March 27 2010 02:20 Denotate wrote:
By gas hack, do you mean SCV stacking? .

That is exactly what I mean.
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
Equaoh
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada427 Posts
March 26 2010 21:30 GMT
#20
On March 27 2010 06:07 love1another wrote:
Watch. He gas hacked at 9:50. :p Repeatedly. By Gas hack, of course, I mean he used scv moving stack/attack. It's clearly banned in the ladder rules. But yeah... by that point, I was like. "Hmm... maybe I should mass scouts." but then I forgot.


Are you sure you don't have 'gas walk' (which can slide you through buildings) confused with 'mineral walk' (which is just moving workers to resources)?
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
March 26 2010 21:34 GMT
#21
I'm referring specifically to the following trick:
right click on gas, shift right click on gas, shift a-move.
It's absolutely clear he did this because if he did the stack through any legitimate methods, the workers immediately unstack upon attacking. As you can see... He took out 2 of my dragoons by stacking his scvs and then floating them over.
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
March 26 2010 22:21 GMT
#22
On March 27 2010 04:43 Hypnosis wrote:
oh newbs! so so funny

"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
March 26 2010 22:32 GMT
#23
Watched the replay, don't know why you're calling it a hack, just an illegal exploit. Didn't really help him much at all, your goon micro was hilariously bad, his first tank was ridiculously late and seeing a legit win with bc's was awesome. ty. Seems totally viable if you deny scouting, other person is maxed with 9 goons:30 speedlots and keeps pumping speedlots and ht's after scouting it...Should call this build the Deep 5 :D
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baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
March 26 2010 22:45 GMT
#24
lol you had him "completely owned"

and then suddenly he does the scv stack bug which has no impact on the game whatsoever, and he has 20 BCs and beats you
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 26 2010 23:07 GMT
#25
scv stack bug is still illegal on iccup, but I wouldn't ban him, you just lost
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SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
March 26 2010 23:17 GMT
#26
oh thanks for verifying that for me
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selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
March 26 2010 23:36 GMT
#27
On March 27 2010 07:45 baller wrote:
lol you had him "completely owned"

and then suddenly he does the scv stack bug which has no impact on the game whatsoever, and he has 20 BCs and beats you

thank you for giving me the joy of laughter
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
SkylineSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States564 Posts
March 26 2010 23:46 GMT
#28
is this a brag blog?
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
March 27 2010 01:36 GMT
#29
Lol. No. I lost :p And I did have him completely owned! It wasn't that the goon micro was hilariously bad. stacked scvs glitch goons so that they can't move once attacked. Try it. It was critical, because had he not done that he would not have been able to hold off the attack. Regarding the speedlots.... yes. Good point.
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
March 27 2010 01:40 GMT
#30
Gas hack what?

Anyway, mass goons and DA/HT.
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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
March 27 2010 01:43 GMT
#31
Thank you for your contribution to my blog kona, lol.
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
Denotate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada294 Posts
March 27 2010 13:39 GMT
#32
Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?

I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!
Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
March 27 2010 15:10 GMT
#33
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote:
Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?

I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!





love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
March 27 2010 22:43 GMT
#34
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote:
Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?

I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!

lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit.
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
Denotate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada294 Posts
March 28 2010 00:55 GMT
#35
On March 28 2010 07:43 love1another wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote:
Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?

I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!

lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit.


So my question is then: is it illegal according to Kespa?

Game I'm thinking about: Flash vs Lucifer



@ ~8:20 flash uses his drones to glitch the zealots while attacking them - isn't he using the glitch?
foxbearcheetah
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States50 Posts
March 28 2010 01:41 GMT
#36
On March 28 2010 09:55 Denotate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2010 07:43 love1another wrote:
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote:
Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?

I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!

lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit.


So my question is then: is it illegal according to Kespa?

Game I'm thinking about: Flash vs Lucifer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoqOIGSlW2c

@ ~8:20 flash uses his drones to glitch the zealots while attacking them - isn't he using the glitch?

lol first of all that's jaedong. second, that method is completely different from the gas stack bug. workers have zero collision when they are right clicked on geysers or minerals. jaedong simply right clicks different patches of minerals so they can phase through the zealots. the gas trick in that replay however, allows workers to attack in a clump all at once, which jaedong's method does not allow.
SkylineSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States564 Posts
March 28 2010 02:07 GMT
#37
whats illegal is the shift move thing someone talked about earlier in the thread.

basically you can get 12 stacked scvs to more around and stack attack. drilling by sending them to a mineral or gas is different because it breaks up right away.

you can see a lot of the actual stack attack in fastest games lol.
Denotate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada294 Posts
March 28 2010 02:16 GMT
#38
On March 28 2010 10:41 foxbearcheetah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2010 09:55 Denotate wrote:
On March 28 2010 07:43 love1another wrote:
On March 27 2010 22:39 Denotate wrote:
Wait, is it illegal to do this with drones / probes, or just with SCVs? If so, does Kespa also consider it illegal?

I ask because I've seen Jaedong do this without penalty, and if it's the case that it's only illegal for Terrans to do it, there better be a good reason why!

lol. Yes. It's completely imbalanced with basically any worker. If you use this glitch, you can just win the game period with an scv rush unless your opponent does the same thing. It's a completely broken exploit.


So my question is then: is it illegal according to Kespa?

Game I'm thinking about: Flash vs Lucifer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoqOIGSlW2c

@ ~8:20 flash uses his drones to glitch the zealots while attacking them - isn't he using the glitch?

lol first of all that's jaedong. second, that method is completely different from the gas stack bug. workers have zero collision when they are right clicked on geysers or minerals. jaedong simply right clicks different patches of minerals so they can phase through the zealots. the gas trick in that replay however, allows workers to attack in a clump all at once, which jaedong's method does not allow.


Right, Jaedong. And thanks for clarifying the difference.
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
March 28 2010 13:29 GMT
#39
20*6 = 120 supply
+ 80 scvs

= no ground army.

anyway BCs are so easy to kill in pvt. If they stack, and u cast 1 single storm, imagine the amount of damage this 1 storm will do to 20 slowmoving battlecruisers hahaha
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
March 29 2010 02:55 GMT
#40
On March 27 2010 03:19 Zurles wrote:
pretty much every toss unit counters them, it's sweet. sept zealots.

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