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[SC2B] Why so zerg?

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Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
March 22 2010 04:06 GMT
#1
Okay over the last two days I've been playing around 60-70% ZvZ games up from roughly even against all 3. 10 in a row and counting in the Ladder today and what I want to know is WHY? Many of these zerg players when I add them and check their profile show Terran as the race with the most wins. Did someone just suddenly decide that Zerg is the new 1a2a3a race? The worst part of this is that most of them are pretty terrible I mean they 10 pool zergling rush or creep crawler rush and when I go to counterattack with roaches they have NOTHING. They frequently lose their queen multiple times then waste my time by refusing to GG and massing creep crawlers so it takes a good 10 minutes longer to kill them.

I mean you guys have relatively high ELO most of them I've noticed are actually high rank Gold players so they shouldn't be that bad but seriously go back to Terran.

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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8097 Posts
March 22 2010 04:15 GMT
#2
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1
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nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
March 22 2010 04:19 GMT
#3
zerg is so easy to play in sc2 compared to SC1. just mass 1 unit. get expo. mass another type of unit. expo. ultra/broodlord pwnage with 8gas
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lu_cid
Profile Joined April 2008
United States428 Posts
March 22 2010 04:20 GMT
#4
Well I can't imagine why somebody would choose a race other than zerg at this point
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
March 22 2010 04:23 GMT
#5
it's a shame since i acutally started playing zerg in bw because it was the harder race to learn.
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eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
March 22 2010 04:28 GMT
#6
haven't touched my beta in a couple of weeks, what's the least popular race right now? because i'm a zerg right now as well but i'm thinking of switching -- but i like to play as the underdog =D, would that currently be Terran?
OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
March 22 2010 04:33 GMT
#7
On March 22 2010 13:28 eMbrace wrote:
haven't touched my beta in a couple of weeks, what's the least popular race right now? because i'm a zerg right now as well but i'm thinking of switching -- but i like to play as the underdog =D, would that currently be Terran?


surprisingly, its protoss
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
March 22 2010 04:58 GMT
#8
Why so zerg? Because the only way you can go into a game without being at a disadvantage against a zerg player of your skill level (or even somewhat less) is by being zerg yourself.
Otherwise you're hoping (as terran) that you can somehow hold out till HSM, or (as protoss) that you can end the game before muta
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Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
March 22 2010 05:15 GMT
#9
Wait... zerg is the protoss of sc2? How does that work haha...

but yeah, I only got beta friday night but i've definitely played most PvZ's....
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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
March 22 2010 05:35 GMT
#10
So I ask you... why so serious?
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520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
March 22 2010 05:41 GMT
#11
Zerg is the Protoss of SC2. - Make a lot of units, attack move and stuff.
Protoss is the Terran of SC2. - Proper spellcasting is essential and will make or break a game.
Terran is the Zerg of SC2. - Make a lot of units, cast a few support spells.
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bongjwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States199 Posts
March 22 2010 06:01 GMT
#12
i dont think theres enough time to decide who is the who in starcraft 2 at all.

by not player wise by any means zerg is the most popular conventional race in starcraft. its like the staple race almost. all the wow noobs and wc3 players are like oh hey zerg is coolest.
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Apexplayer
Profile Joined September 2009
United States406 Posts
March 22 2010 06:04 GMT
#13
On March 22 2010 14:41 scintilliaSD wrote:
Zerg is the Protoss of SC2. - Make a lot of units, attack move and stuff.
Protoss is the Terran of SC2. - Proper spellcasting is essential and will make or break a game.
Terran is the Zerg of SC2. - Make a lot of units, cast a few support spells.


Lol wut
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
March 22 2010 06:26 GMT
#14
I don't think a zerg user can complain about there being too many zerg uses. You are clearly part of your own problem.
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Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 06:45:23
March 22 2010 06:44 GMT
#15
On March 22 2010 15:04 Apexplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 14:41 scintilliaSD wrote:
Zerg is the Protoss of SC2. - Make a lot of units, attack move and stuff.
Protoss is the Terran of SC2. - Proper spellcasting is essential and will make or break a game.
Terran is the Zerg of SC2. - Make a lot of units, cast a few support spells.


Lol wut

As in terrans in BW only have one(!) unit that does not have some sort of castable ability, and even it shines with micro. And toss in SC2 need storm or they lose : \
Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
March 22 2010 07:33 GMT
#16
Protoss isnthe new protoss, only stronger, cause now its Z<P>T
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 07:35:29
March 22 2010 07:35 GMT
#17
On March 22 2010 15:44 Flakes wrote:
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On March 22 2010 15:04 Apexplayer wrote:
On March 22 2010 14:41 scintilliaSD wrote:
Zerg is the Protoss of SC2. - Make a lot of units, attack move and stuff.
Protoss is the Terran of SC2. - Proper spellcasting is essential and will make or break a game.
Terran is the Zerg of SC2. - Make a lot of units, cast a few support spells.


Lol wut

As in terrans in BW only have one(!) unit that does not have some sort of castable ability, and even it shines with micro. And toss in SC2 need storm or they lose : \


I count SCV, and Goliath. 2.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
March 22 2010 07:52 GMT
#18
On March 22 2010 16:35 Exteray wrote:
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On March 22 2010 15:44 Flakes wrote:
On March 22 2010 15:04 Apexplayer wrote:
On March 22 2010 14:41 scintilliaSD wrote:
Zerg is the Protoss of SC2. - Make a lot of units, attack move and stuff.
Protoss is the Terran of SC2. - Proper spellcasting is essential and will make or break a game.
Terran is the Zerg of SC2. - Make a lot of units, cast a few support spells.


Lol wut

As in terrans in BW only have one(!) unit that does not have some sort of castable ability, and even it shines with micro. And toss in SC2 need storm or they lose : \


I count SCV, and Goliath. 2.


I think our definition of a spell/"castable ability" is getting pretty loose here. Most zerg units can burrow. So for zerg I think we just have ultras/guardians/devourers for no castable abilities. But getting a bit off track here, my bad.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 09:25:47
March 22 2010 09:15 GMT
#19
On March 22 2010 13:33 OmgIRok wrote:
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On March 22 2010 13:28 eMbrace wrote:
haven't touched my beta in a couple of weeks, what's the least popular race right now? because i'm a zerg right now as well but i'm thinking of switching -- but i like to play as the underdog =D, would that currently be Terran?


surprisingly, its protoss

actually, I'd say it's terran. They have topped the ladders with the most spots out of all the other races right now.

Zerg is not the easiest at all. It seems to require the most apm of all the races imo. I regularly have 50-100 more apm than other top Ps or Ts and I can still lose just as much as I win.
Early - Mid game zerg is really vulnerable and it's very difficult to get any recon done until lair.

Also, just to add to the OP. Most of my games in SC2 have been ZvZ since I began the beta. Next most would be Terrans, and lastly Protoss.
Lately (today) though, It seems I rarely play any zergs and I'm playing 55% T and 40% P. Up until then it was like 50% Z 35% T 15% P.

It's a shame too because I've gotten pretty good in ZvZ and T's have gotten really good vs Z (TvZ used to be my best mu).
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 09:55:08
March 22 2010 09:54 GMT
#20
On March 22 2010 13:15 Ideas wrote:
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1


You mean the race that probably has the hardest (PvZ) matchup of all the races in SC1?

If it wasn't for PvT, protoss would suck in SC1.
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Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
March 22 2010 12:21 GMT
#21
On March 22 2010 18:54 Foucault wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 13:15 Ideas wrote:
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1


You mean the race that probably has the hardest (PvZ) matchup of all the races in SC1?

If it wasn't for PvT, protoss would suck in SC1.


Same applies for ZvP actually, because there is no standart play. You have to outsmart your opponent in order to win.
If it wasn't for ZvT, zerg would suck in SC2.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
March 22 2010 14:18 GMT
#22
On March 22 2010 15:04 Apexplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 14:41 scintilliaSD wrote:
Zerg is the Protoss of SC2. - Make a lot of units, attack move and stuff.
Protoss is the Terran of SC2. - Proper spellcasting is essential and will make or break a game.
Terran is the Zerg of SC2. - Make a lot of units, cast a few support spells.


Lol wut

wut
its not like any race is really hard to play/learn right now, in terms of mechanics, protoss atm is just not powerful enough in certain ways to beat a zerg at their own level. Terran suffers the same problem to a smaller degree
you could draw a comparision of XvZ in sc2 to low level TvP in sc1, in that the terran has to be a better player than the protoss to be able to survive the onslaught of shit a toss can inflict on him
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buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 18:21:24
March 22 2010 18:20 GMT
#23
On March 22 2010 18:54 Foucault wrote:
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On March 22 2010 13:15 Ideas wrote:
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1


You mean the race that probably has the hardest (PvZ) matchup of all the races in SC1?

If it wasn't for PvT, protoss would suck in SC1.


Lolwut? I'd say TvZ / ZvT are the hardest matchups in SC1.

And I'd say all races are the Protoss of SC2.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
March 22 2010 18:48 GMT
#24
On March 23 2010 03:20 buhhy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 18:54 Foucault wrote:
On March 22 2010 13:15 Ideas wrote:
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1


You mean the race that probably has the hardest (PvZ) matchup of all the races in SC1?

If it wasn't for PvT, protoss would suck in SC1.


Lolwut? I'd say TvZ / ZvT are the hardest matchups in SC1.

And I'd say all races are the Protoss of SC2.


ZvT is wayyyyyyyyy harder than TvZ. ZvT is an uphill battle while TvZ dictates the pace of the game
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
March 22 2010 19:36 GMT
#25
On March 23 2010 03:20 buhhy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2010 18:54 Foucault wrote:
On March 22 2010 13:15 Ideas wrote:
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1


You mean the race that probably has the hardest (PvZ) matchup of all the races in SC1?

If it wasn't for PvT, protoss would suck in SC1.


Lolwut? I'd say TvZ / ZvT are the hardest matchups in SC1.

And I'd say all races are the Protoss of SC2.

wad? TvZ is among the 3 easier matchups in the game
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lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
March 22 2010 19:56 GMT
#26
Aren't we all originally BW players? Define hard/easy. Imho, every matchup in sc2 is easy compared to BW.
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buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 21:28:21
March 22 2010 21:27 GMT
#27
On March 23 2010 03:48 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2010 03:20 buhhy wrote:
On March 22 2010 18:54 Foucault wrote:
On March 22 2010 13:15 Ideas wrote:
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1


You mean the race that probably has the hardest (PvZ) matchup of all the races in SC1?

If it wasn't for PvT, protoss would suck in SC1.


Lolwut? I'd say TvZ / ZvT are the hardest matchups in SC1.

And I'd say all races are the Protoss of SC2.


ZvT is wayyyyyyyyy harder than TvZ. ZvT is an uphill battle while TvZ dictates the pace of the game


Huh? If T goes standard bio and Z goes 2/3 hatch muta into lurkers, T has to prevent Z from getting a free 3rd. Lategame, T has to constantly produce vessels to cut down on defiler and ultra count while keeping Z from dark swarming into T's natural. Sure muta/ling/lurker micro is difficult but so is MnM/tank/vessel. I don't see how T dictates the pace of the game. T is pretty much the reactive side; they have to delay Z expos, delay/strike before defiler/ultra and prevent Z's push into the T base. I'd say the Z controls the pace of TvZ more than the T.

On March 23 2010 04:36 TheAntZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2010 03:20 buhhy wrote:
On March 22 2010 18:54 Foucault wrote:
On March 22 2010 13:15 Ideas wrote:
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1


You mean the race that probably has the hardest (PvZ) matchup of all the races in SC1?

If it wasn't for PvT, protoss would suck in SC1.


Lolwut? I'd say TvZ / ZvT are the hardest matchups in SC1.

And I'd say all races are the Protoss of SC2.

wad? TvZ is among the 3 easier matchups in the game


How so?
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 21:46:23
March 22 2010 21:45 GMT
#28
I think all BroodWar players are going to have a tough time adapting to SC2 because they're trying to play it like it's BroodWar with upgrades. The fact is that the game dynamics aren't even close to similar. Maybe right now people feel that Zerg is the easiest to play like BW. Maybe it's just a coincidence I sometimes get matched up with the same player, on the same map, 3 times in a row. It doesn't mean that there are lots of him. Overall I've had a pretty balanced experience with playing against different races. I'm pretty sure everyone is just screwing around with them. The most annoying thing about SC2 is that basically every race has the equivalent of inexpensive recall at lair tech, which makes the game really dumb. It seems like strategic points of the map become meaningless after tier 1.

If Zerg is popular in your division, maybe it's because all their units are so darn fast. Seriously, it's like speedlings off the bat so a probe can't scout once your pool is done, then roaches that can run so fast even if they get into a confrontation with a superior stalker army they don't take any losses because they can get away so quick. GRRRR... It's like every Zerg unit is the vulture from SC1
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-22 22:25:58
March 22 2010 22:25 GMT
#29
I think its because a bunch of toss switched to zerg after they got themselves nerfed to death by blizzard(I mean, DID YOU SEE THAT MOTHER SHIP UPDATE?!?).
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Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-23 00:12:53
March 23 2010 00:10 GMT
#30
On March 23 2010 06:27 buhhy wrote:
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On March 23 2010 03:48 AzureEye wrote:
On March 23 2010 03:20 buhhy wrote:
On March 22 2010 18:54 Foucault wrote:
On March 22 2010 13:15 Ideas wrote:
everyone knows that zerg in sc2 is the protoss of sc1


You mean the race that probably has the hardest (PvZ) matchup of all the races in SC1?

If it wasn't for PvT, protoss would suck in SC1.


Lolwut? I'd say TvZ / ZvT are the hardest matchups in SC1.

And I'd say all races are the Protoss of SC2.


ZvT is wayyyyyyyyy harder than TvZ. ZvT is an uphill battle while TvZ dictates the pace of the game


Huh? If T goes standard bio and Z goes 2/3 hatch muta into lurkers, T has to prevent Z from getting a free 3rd. Lategame, T has to constantly produce vessels to cut down on defiler and ultra count while keeping Z from dark swarming into T's natural. Sure muta/ling/lurker micro is difficult but so is MnM/tank/vessel. I don't see how T dictates the pace of the game. T is pretty much the reactive side; they have to delay Z expos, delay/strike before defiler/ultra and prevent Z's push into the T base. I'd say the Z controls the pace of TvZ more than the T.



Are u being serious? This is the 1st time I've heard anyone say Z dictates the pace of TvZ. Right now, the standard play is 2 hatch muta and 1 rax CC. Straight off the bat, T gets 2 bases which is enough to build a powerful MnM army and make timing pushes. Z needs that 3rd expo for gas to get hive tech, and T has the power to deny Z's 3rd or make a timing push to kill Z before he gets to hive. Not to mention 1 rax CC's economy > 2 hatch muta. Terran on 2 bases already has advantage on Zerg with 2 bases.

T has the choice of going bio or mech, and Z has to adapt to Terran units because Z units are not jack-of-all-trade units like MnM. For example, lurkers are good versus bio but suck versus mech. On the other hand, T can just play MnM and does not have to change up units because of what Z produced.

When was Z's 3rd expo ever free when T has map control during the entire fking time for TvZ?

T also has various cheese options that are not risky at all compared to how risky 4 pool is. Which is why when T chooses to use a cheese, Z has to react to it, the reacting side is Zerg, not Terran, get it right. I don't see how controlling Z army is anything but difficult; have you ever tried to attack with swarm + lurkerlings on a very mobile MnM army? By the time the lurker is burrowing, MnM kills a lurker and just stims + run back. Swarm? Stim + move out of swarm + irradiate defiler.

T has the power to kill Z whenever (before hive, after hive) or just turtle +dropship play and get 3 bases and run over Z's army.

The sheer versatility + cheese options + flexibility of Terran in TvZ makes the matchup heavily disadvantaged for Zerg. Thats why you see mediocore Terrans taking down Jaedong from time to time while you barely see mediocore Zergs taking down Flash time to time.
Again..I cannot believe you said Z dictates the pace of TvZ. Thats a completely ignorant and false statement
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buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
March 23 2010 01:05 GMT
#31
Ok... I get it, TvZ is T dictated at high level play, no need to be so goddamn hostile. Not everyone is a pro player, I have enough trouble controlling MnM + vessel while macroing. What do you consider Terran cheese, BBS?
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
March 23 2010 01:31 GMT
#32
On March 23 2010 10:05 buhhy wrote:
Ok... I get it, TvZ is T dictated at high level play, no need to be so goddamn hostile. Not everyone is a pro player, I have enough trouble controlling MnM + vessel while macroing. What do you consider Terran cheese, BBS?


my definition of T cheese differs from other people's defintion. Some people say builds like proxy rax is not considered cheese because its not risky at all, but I argue otherwise because I see it as a non-standard method of playing designed to kill off the other player early in the game. Whether its effective, risky, powerful, weak, I think cheese is still cheese

Z possible cheese in TvZ: 4/5 pool, offensive hatchery with sunkens, slow ovie lurker drop, 3 hatch speedling all-in

T possible cheese in TvZ: bunker rush, proxy fact, proxy rax, BBS, early wraiths, sunken break / Ayumi, landing building in Z's main, Fast Nuke, Fake Mech

probably some I missed but Zerg cheese tends to be very risky and unforgiving
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
March 23 2010 01:55 GMT
#33
Dont forget that a Z simply needs superior macro to keep up with a T at low levels seeing as the T army deals such a fuckton of damage, so fast.
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FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
March 23 2010 02:18 GMT
#34
try playing tvz vs a b rank koreans T_T
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-23 02:31:31
March 23 2010 02:30 GMT
#35
On March 23 2010 10:05 buhhy wrote:
Ok... I get it, TvZ is T dictated at high level play, no need to be so goddamn hostile. Not everyone is a pro player, I have enough trouble controlling MnM + vessel while macroing. What do you consider Terran cheese, BBS?


Everytime a Zerg wins a ZvT it's nothing less than a goddamn miracle D:

I still don't know why people like to say ___ is the ___ of SC2 after like, a month of the beta. chillax peepz.
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